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"PvE characters don't have to try as hard to receive the exact same rewards as a PvP character."

This is true almost all the time, even in regards to instances. Groups of Alliance/Horde players purposely wait in front of instance entrances simply to fuck up your questing. Think of any quest that you have completed outside of your faction's protection. On your PvE server, the vast majority of quests can be completed without any interruption from the opposing faction, unless you choose to flag yourself. This is not the case on a PvP server, unless the opposing faction decides to ignore you, but more than half the time they will engage you. Simple logic suggests that because PvE players have the choice to engage the opposing faction and PvP players do not, PvE players have a distinct advantage in power leveling friends, farming, questing, grinding, etc... etc...

Basically, PvE characters receive in-game rewards faster, because they have a choice of whether or not they want to be hindered by the opposing faction, while PvP characters have no choice but to fight. On PvP servers we fight eachother in order to complete and turn in quests, on PvE servers, you don't have to fight at all. That is less time played, more experience gained, etc.. etc.. More competition means less progress for both factions.

You are right that being yellow means you are flagged, but it doesn't alter my point at all. You still have to manually flag yourself for combat, where on a PvP server you are always red to the opposing faction, regardless. The only exception I can think of would be the honor system, which you did point out. It is far easier for me on a PvP server to gain rank through my constant battles with the opposing faction outside of battlegrounds. Besides that though, progressing your character on a PvE server is far easier, because PvE servers have a restricted combat system that allows players to choose their battles. PvP servers are unrestricted, and every encounter is dependent on the players involved. Basically, we have to deal with the opposing faction at all times, and all you have to do is stay unflagged... which then means... PvE characters do not have to try as hard to receive the same in-game rewards.

[Edited on January 11, 2006 at 2:10 PM. Reason : -]

1/11/2006 1:41:07 PM

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""Who do you suppose cares more about dieing to other players... " Obviously the guy who bitches and moans about dieing to other players cares more. I may play on a PvE server with my main, but I usually play flagged. Do I care if I die...no. It's just nice from time to time to be able to get shit done in a timely fashion when I have other things I need to do other than sit down and play WoW."

You made the decision that you cared more about dieing when you made your main character on a "PvE" server instead of "PvP" server. You choose to have the option to fight the opposing faction. If you didn't care about being slowed down by the opposing faction, you would have chosen PvP, correct? Choosing "PvE" over "PvP" doesn't mean that you whine more about dieing than anyone else, instead it just means that you cared enough to avoid dieing from PvP combat before you even created your character... Hence, the term carebear.

World of Warcraft Lite

[Edited on January 11, 2006 at 2:36 PM. Reason : -]

1/11/2006 2:25:59 PM

The point is that calling someone a 'carebear' when the topic of fucking conversation is a goddamn ROLE PLAYING GAME is pathetic.

There is nothing 'tough' in any of this so calling someone a wuss in this medium is a case of pot/kettle.

1/11/2006 2:34:49 PM

PvP, PvE, and RP are all distinctions within this MMORPG. It is an in-game feature actually, so I don't see why discussing it is pathetic. Every single one of us that plays made one of three choices for their main characters. People on "RP" servers made their choice in order to avoid people that aren't really into role-playing. People that choose "PvE" servers made that choice in order to avoid PvP combat unless they want to engage in it. People that choose "PvP" made that choice in order to engage every player of the opposing faction at all times regardless of location. I guess I don't understand why being called a carebear matters to people on PvE servers. I mean are you pretending that you meant to click "PvP" instead of "PvE"? It is blantantly obvious that you meant to avoid the unrestricted combat system when you choose PvE, so why does it matter so much when people define you by that, or call you a carebear for caring so much? PvPer's aren't tougher, they just don't care as much and decided to play the zerg version of WoW.

[Edited on January 11, 2006 at 2:56 PM. Reason : -]

1/11/2006 2:46:44 PM

carebear is used by people on PvP servers to characterize people on PvE servers as 'pussies' for not playing PvP.

We are all aware of the distinctions between the server types. Carebear is not just some name...its an attempt to insult people who play in a certain way.

which is pathetic

1/11/2006 2:56:25 PM

PvE is gay.

Alliance is gay.

God help you if you're Alliance on a PvE server.

1/11/2006 2:59:08 PM

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"You made the decision that you cared more about dieing when you made your main character on a "PvE" server instead of "PvP" server."

Not true at all. I made the decision that I enjoy playing with all of my friends on a particular server than by going out alone on a separate server. If I cared more about dying I wouldn't flag myself. Nor would I go into UBRS as a 56 and aggro rooms of elite on myself While that has changed now that I know people on Mal'ganis, it doesn't change the fact that I know far more people on Gilneas.

1/11/2006 3:12:54 PM

^^ case in point

[Edited on January 11, 2006 at 3:21 PM. Reason : V another case in point]

1/11/2006 3:17:29 PM

It is the truth that PvP characters are playing the hardest version of World of Warcraft, based on the opposing factions ability to hinder the completion of in-game content.

Carebear is just an insulting term that points out the obvious.

[Edited on January 11, 2006 at 3:32 PM. Reason : ^ It's an easier playing style!]

1/11/2006 3:18:33 PM

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"PvE is gay. Alliance is gay. God help you if you're Alliance on a PvE server."

1/11/2006 4:05:33 PM

Quote :

"PvE is gay. Alliance is gay. God help you if you're Alliance on a PvE server."

1/11/2006 5:03:48 PM

IN ANY EVENT !!!!! ATTENTION


For those of ya'll who are on smaller servers, or on servers that aren't progressing on tue AQ opening content...


Immortalis will be spawning Ehranikus tonight at around 8pm EST ... if ya'll wanna check it out make a char and start heading up to moonglade.

just letting everyone who might not have a chance to watch the event. !! thanks again.

1/11/2006 5:19:50 PM

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"PvE is gay. Alliance is gay. God help you if you're Alliance on a PvE server."

1/11/2006 5:20:24 PM

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"if ya'll wanna check it out make a char and start heading up to moonglade. "

Basically, make a Druid.

1/11/2006 5:23:31 PM

ya I was going to say make a druid :x but I couldnt remember what level you got to port to moonglade so I just left it out

1/11/2006 5:26:45 PM

I have a 60 Dwarf Hunter on a PvE server and enjoy playing it. I am on a server with a lot of my best friends and have a good time playing with them.

I also made a character on a PvP server, and have found the lack of honor to be completely annoying. I don't see the point of sitting around looking for low lvl people to gank for the sake of ganking them.

If you think you are more of a man by playing on a server on which you can't do one quest in Hillsbrad without being killed 10 times by someone 30 levels above you, then you can go ahead and think that all day long.

PvP is great as long as there is some honor in it, but i have no desire to get griefed by a bunch of 12 year olds with a Napoleon complex.

1/11/2006 5:54:06 PM

So you are saying you are an alliance character on a pve server?

1/11/2006 6:10:52 PM

and a horde character on a PvP server... so what does that make me?

1/11/2006 6:19:13 PM

well the thing is...its just all ganking. in places like arathi, tanaris, felwood, winterspring etc etc etc theres members of the opposing faction at your level grinding and farming as well. the battles are fun

1/11/2006 6:19:20 PM

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"and a horde character on a PvP server... so what does that make me?"

sexually confused.


^ yes. Getting ganked builds characters. Granted in some zones it tends to be much higher levels, but alot of it is equal level fighting. And that shit is fun.

And even in the cases when there are high lvls ganking low levels you just go /3 ?? NE rogue ganking at and then your own high lvls show up and kill them.

[Edited on January 11, 2006 at 6:43 PM. Reason : .]

1/11/2006 6:41:30 PM

Quote :

"I have a 60 Dwarf Hunter on a PvE server and enjoy playing it."

Quote :

"PvE is gay. Alliance is gay. God help you if you're Alliance on a PvE server."

1/11/2006 6:43:00 PM

oh noes!

like i give a fuck... i enjoy playing the game, and really, that's all that matters to me

1/11/2006 7:31:21 PM

Try and defend yourself all you want.

Facts are facts.

Alliance are fags.

1/11/2006 7:32:29 PM

/cry

1/11/2006 7:36:00 PM

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"Facts are facts. Alliance are fags. "

1/11/2006 8:43:36 PM

I finally got my mooncloth recipe. So free money once every four days, that's good.

1/11/2006 9:21:58 PM

little late on the bandwagon

1/11/2006 9:39:13 PM

Well, I did quit playing for a good six months and I'm only level 45, so I don't really give a fuck if I'm a "little late".

1/11/2006 9:41:38 PM

lol we just blew up hellscream :x 700 people > the green dragon event

1/11/2006 9:52:35 PM

hehe the first few days we were top 5 and guilds were cooperating, now its turned into nothing but an all out world PVP bloodbath and its slowing us down...but who cares. i gotta get out there and participate in the world pvp more.

1/11/2006 10:29:36 PM

scepter done. just waiting on the war supplies :x gg only 42% done

1/12/2006 12:36:56 AM

Wasn't the idea NOT to invite people? Yeah... KUG gave up on server blowups and got broodlord + 2 drakes down. Pretty much missed the world emotes because they were the same color as all the "<Tank> has Shadow of Ebonroc!" messages flooding raid chat

Tomorrow I go back to farming wolf meat! I've done about 1/5 of what's been turned in so far...

1/12/2006 1:06:49 AM

yea we've had the sceptor thing finished for a bit now. (a bit as in only a few days of course).

but the turn ins are gonna take awhile due to hostility, but i love it

1/12/2006 1:19:34 AM

I've done 20% of the baked salmon hand-ins on my server so far.

Basically, I fish for it in Alterac Valley while gaining free rep.

People call me a leech, but I just /yell "DO YOU WANT THE GATES OPEN OR NOT!?"

1/12/2006 1:37:52 AM

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"I finally got my mooncloth recipe. So free money once every four days, that's good."

dude thats the way to go

1/12/2006 2:14:31 AM

Playing on a PvE server you just dont get the same feel for the game. I am sorry, but as soon as I land in Taneris, I expect to see the epic bloodbath in Gadget that never ends.

And bah, my server was 8, but is now 79 :-/ . Eranikus keeps getting spawned on our server, but the big horde and alliance guilds are not about to cooperate and grief each other every time the dragon spawns.

1/12/2006 2:37:39 AM

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"General - Characters should no longer appear to "pop" around terrain. Movement should be smoother once again."

thank you.

1/12/2006 7:31:17 AM

^ Heh, that shit was annoying me so much in pvp fighting vs rogues and feral druids.

1/12/2006 7:33:21 AM

wait

they are caliming they fixed the 'poppy' movement?

I call bullshit

1/12/2006 8:49:44 AM

Nobody stops my lock from poppin'.

1/12/2006 11:26:48 AM

Hey i gotta problem that someone might be able to help me with. I've been trying to log on this morning and it lets me get all the way into the world, but i'm invisible and everyone is running around in underwear. I also can't talk to anyone or do anything. The second problem is sometimes i'll come in but as soon as i do the game freezes for a few seconds then continues freezes continues then disconnects.

Does anyone know what the problem is and how to fix it thanks.

1/12/2006 12:22:01 PM

try deleting your WTS and WTB folders

also check the worldofwarcraft.com tech support forum

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com

1/12/2006 12:24:30 PM

and i may be a fag for playing PvE Alliance...

but i'll see the inside of AQ before any of you PvP fucks

MEDIVH KNOWS HOW TO WAGE WAR!

1/12/2006 2:58:31 PM

aha^

1/12/2006 2:59:07 PM

That's like being the first to bang some ugly broad with a mental disability.

1/12/2006 2:59:09 PM

That may be... but you're the ones getting sloppy seconds on said broad

1/12/2006 3:01:43 PM

cause you know you are still gonna hit that

1/12/2006 3:23:10 PM

lol
You guys... :: shakes head ::



Genesis FTW!

1/12/2006 3:55:39 PM

Come on Shattered Hand! Stop slackin!

1/12/2006 4:38:16 PM

PvE is gay.

Horde is gay.

God help you if you're Horde on a PvE server."

1/12/2006 4:40:19 PM