i like the durham bulls more than mlb, baseball is boring

4/17/2011 11:39:55 AM

fuck carolina

4/17/2011 12:07:21 PM

I like how one of their justifications for not being scared to play App State is that they have played teams like William & Mary when they were just as good or better than App

4/17/2011 12:41:01 PM

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"here's their thread on the recent criticism of Big Marv's character, genuinely surprised the majority of them still like the guy http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&f=1408&t=7426854"

what a spin zone. god I fucking hate Carolina fans. I wonder if people like StingrayRush on here enjoy reading this kind of faggotry

4/17/2011 1:43:34 PM

From a thread on IC about the Draft party news that's recently come out:

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" We might be better off going after a bunch of 2 and 3 star players who we know are going to be TEAM FIRST, rather than very talented prima donnas. "

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" You mean like the type guys State has kicked our rears with the last 4 years? Yes, sign me up for that. I'm tired of the unfounded hype around our FB program. I enjoy FB Saturdays and take pride in being a Ram's Club member with season tix, but this nonsense and most of our fanbase's insistence on blaming someone else for it is fast changing my outlook. I'd rather stink on the field than break rules off it, period. "

I love the second post. "Unfounded hype"...finally some of their fans are realizing this.

5/19/2011 11:49:41 PM

smartest post on IC ive ever read:

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"Yeah, let's blame the NCAA...I don't like the fact I have to wear my seatbelt. I think it's a silly law. Fact is, if I don't and get caught I pay the fine. Happened once, it's not worth the trouble or money not to comply, so I wear it b/c of it. It's against the rules to accept improper benefits, whether you think it's silly or not. If he did, he and we will and should pay the price. It's not like he can say he didn't know. Stop making excuses for stupidity. Kid should never have put himself in the situation, period. This kind of stuff has to stop and it starts at the top. Stop giving out free passes and being so naive. I wouldn't like it if this was happening and we were 11-1 every year. I **** sure don't like it @ 4-4 in the ACC. It's absurd and needs to stop."

5/20/2011 10:00:17 PM

wow, reasonable unc fans

5/20/2011 10:04:02 PM

last two quotes were dead on

5/20/2011 10:22:55 PM

the sheep are eating their young over on IC.

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"jrobe wrote: agree your post are disgusting and embarrassing and you should be banned from posting here. --------------------------------------------- --- DarrHeel wrote: UNC grad here... All this is disgusting and embarrassing. Butch can't avoid the responsibility. Fire him now. Clean house. We are simply not good enough in football to have all these problems. --------------------------------------------- orange3369 wrote: --------------------------------------------- --- jrobe wrote: I agree your post are disgusting and embarrassing and you should be banned from posting here. --------------------------------------------- --- DarrHeel wrote: UNC grad here... All this is disgusting and embarrassing. Butch can't avoid the responsibility. Fire him now. Clean house. We are simply not good enough in football to have all these problems. --------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------true 100% jrobe Last edited Today 1:16 PM by orange3369 Strong logic is strong. I hope when your son commits a felony, you have to serve prison time for raising him poorly. --------------------------------------------- --- DarrHeel wrote: UNC grad here... All this is disgusting and embarrassing. Butch can't avoid the responsibility. Fire him now. Clean house. We are simply not good enough in football to have all these problems."

5/21/2011 3:35:04 PM

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"I hope when your son commits a felony, you have to serve prison time for raising him poorly. "

lulz

5/21/2011 10:57:44 PM

sometimes it makes me upset to think that people so stupid think they are superior to me based on their team's basketball success.

5/21/2011 11:12:34 PM

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"No offense to anyone here living in Texas & California, but I've met some of the most obnoxious, irritating and pompous people from those states. I know there are great people living there too. Might just be because the huge population. You are bound to meet some. This Longhorn kid comes off as pompous with a side of envy."

6/1/2011 3:28:07 PM

haha, there's a glorious multithread, shit-talking fest going on between CHeaters and Rutgers fans

lots of examples of Tarhole idiocy but this one was pretty good

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"--------------------------------------------- --- Rutgersal wrote: Don't take it seriously. Its just "recruiting". If you don't think Butch doesn't talk crap about other schools during recruiting, I've got a sane Wuffie I'd like to introduce you to. Greg learned from the best, as they jointly recruited DJ Williams when at Miami. I regard Butch and Greg as Coaching Clones. Great recruiters, developers of talent, and motivators, but somewhat weak with X's and O's. --------------------------------------------- Count me in with the crowd that absolutely does NOT believe Butch "talks crap" about other schools during recruiting. He doesn't have to...Like any good salesman with a GOOD PRODUCT, he outlines the positives of playing for Carolina, couples that with the positives of playing for a coach with a stellar record of sending players to the NFL, and lets recruits draw their own comparisons. Negative selling is a losers approach generally only employed by those with a suspect moral compass or a garbage product, often both. In Rutgers/Schiano's case, I think it's both. See you this Fall when UNC shatters your illusion that you have a program worth mentioning."

6/9/2011 9:34:16 AM

^wow. Pure idiocy. Aside from the UNC fan saying Butch doesn't talk bad about other schools (I'd be a little upset if I learned our staff did not do that...it's part of recruiting), the line about Rutgers' program being so awful is funny. A UNC football fan telling a Rutgers football fan that Rugers program is not worth mentioning? UNC does not exactly fit in with the likes of FSU, OSU, TX, Penn State, etc. In fact, back in 06 Rutgers finished 12th in the nation...and IIRC, at one point was a top 5 team. Now, I am not saying that Rutgers has a better program than UNC, but UNC really doesn't have much room to talk. John Bunting and Carl Torbush weren't that long ago.

6/9/2011 12:46:46 PM

I disagree. A good recruiter and successful coach should be able to win recruits based on the merits of his own school, staff, and program. If you have to resort to undermining the confidence of other programs for whatever reason, that just shows how you lack confidence in your own product, and tells how weak your ability to sell your own product is.

[Edited on June 9, 2011 at 1:04 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2011 1:00:55 PM

...and rainbows should shoot from his ass when he farts.

6/9/2011 1:05:04 PM

man if you're not at least pointing out why other schools aren't as good of a choice as yours, you're just not trying.

6/9/2011 1:08:18 PM

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"Negative selling is a losers approach generally only employed by those with a suspect moral compass or a garbage product, often both. "

sounds like Butch Davis to me

6/9/2011 1:38:22 PM

There's a growing thread on IC about how John Blake has been vilified by the media and is owed apologies because there is no evidence that he's ever done anything wrong

6/9/2011 2:06:14 PM

Negative recruiting and printing off news releases are two different things, not that I care greatly about either, all part of the game. If a coach recruiting against UNC says that they are under investigation by the NCAA and sanctions might hit them hard, that is a perfectly fine statement to make and is not negative recruiting to me. If that same coach says "mark my words UNC will get hit with sanctions," then he is putting himself out there. If UNC were to get hit, then the coach wouldn't have been negative recruiting to me. However, if UNC skates, then the coach would lose tremendous credibility and that indeed would be negative recruiting. However, putting the scandal under a microscope in Chapel Hill is in no way negative recruiting to me. Butch Davis is speculating as much about the verdict as rival coaches by telling kids they will not be hit hard last fall. There are several articles of kids claiming Butch told them nothing will happen. So he is just as guilty of hearsay as the rest of the guys he's accusing of negative recruiting.

And what's with the comments above about looking down on negative recruiting amongst NCAA coaches. Ever heard of politics, you know the people we elect to make laws about pesky little things like the economy, healthcare, and foreign policy??? If they aren't playing fairly, essentially telling bold faced lies let alone hearsay, why in the world should we hold NCAA coaches to such a standard???

edit^ then those same clowns need to email baddour and Thorp and ask them why Blake resigned and why Butch said "He's sorry he ever trusted John Blake." The answers they seek come from their university, not the media and rival fans.

[Edited on June 9, 2011 at 2:11 PM. Reason : .]

6/9/2011 2:08:13 PM

If you sell your program, why it's better than all the other ones will be readily apparent. There's a difference between "this is great" and "this is better than that," and the former approach is the one with the better view of the program. The truth is, not every part of every program is going to be better than some other comparative school. If you spend all day pointing out other people's flaws, you are only going to uncover your own.

Pointing out that UNC is under investigation and might get sanctions is an underhanded and blatantly obvious attempt to slight UNC. That's not professional, it's not becoming, and it certainly doesn't make your school look better.

6/9/2011 3:02:54 PM

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"Pointing out that UNC is under investigation and might get sanctions is an underhanded and blatantly obvious attempt to slight UNC."

duh. it's also the truth. any coach would be stupid not to mention this to a recruit that's considering UNC.

6/9/2011 3:09:12 PM

^^seems like you don't know how these things really work. Carolina made the bed, now they have to lay in it. it's just one more repercussion for cheating.

6/9/2011 3:15:27 PM

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" If you sell your program, why it's better than all the other ones will be readily apparent."

Wrong, the media has completely taken a backseat to what's going on in Chapel Hill. I'm guessing you weren't around in 1990 to know what it's like, so just accept that things in this world happened before you could rememeber that are affecting a lot of things today. The NandO ran stories virtually every day about V on the front page. We had sneakers, tickets, and allegedly a grade changed from an "F" to incomplete. The BOG was all over us like white on rice. Not a peep, not a single peep from the UNC laden BOG on this, or the commissioner of the ACC.

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" If you spend all day pointing out other people's flaws, you are only going to uncover your own. "

Who said anything about spending all day? Sounds like you're making incredible leaps to further support your case. Hyperbole never wins a debate, unless you're in third grade.

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"Pointing out that UNC is under investigation and might get sanctions is an underhanded and blatantly obvious attempt to slight UNC. "

I don't know how something can be "underhanded" and "blantantly obvious" at the same time, whatever though.

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" That's not professional, it's not becoming, and it certainly doesn't make your school look better. "

Be sure to send this same sentiment to your state representatives and the US Congress. Once again, if you're not going to hold them to this fictitious standard, not sure why NCAA coaches should have to fall in line. But I'll tell you what's not professional, unbecoming, etc. and that is paying players in the form of trips, cars, and tutors writing papers.

6/9/2011 3:21:49 PM

more UNC fans complaining about "negative recruiting"

what else is new

6/9/2011 4:08:07 PM

UNC should receive a bid to play in the hyperbole next year.........




sorry, that was bad. i need to get back to work

[Edited on June 9, 2011 at 4:27 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2011 4:23:08 PM

I'm not getting into a copypasta war with you, those are bullshit. So I'll just have to trust that you can refer back to your own post.

You mention several times that the BOG, the state, and the news media aren't paying as much attention to the UNC crap as they did to the NC State crap in the... whenever it was. A couple of things about that include:

1. it's not 1990 anymore, and what happened in 1990 has zero relevance to what's happening now and ESPECIALLY to how our professional sports staff should conduct themselves when performing their duties on behalf of the university.

2. the BOG, the state, and the NCAA aren't formal representatives of our university. THAT'S why they aren't held to a higher standard of conduct when they are trying to sell us to potential recruits.

3. There is obviously news out there about the scandal, and I think we should be able to reasonably agree that potential players are doing at least a little research about where they're going. You don't have to look hard to see that UNC is going to be in the shitter, we don't need TOB pointing it out in a weak ass attempt to dissuade someone from going there.



I don't know why you think my hyperbole is unfounded, if you're going to point out why your school is better than another school, I sincerely doubt that it will be one passing comment just glossed over during conversations about commitments. One would reasonably make several comparisons, and that begs the question, "What about the things he DIDN'T tell me were better than UNC, does UNC do those things better?"


And in closing, underhanded also means dishonest, not only secretive, which was the context in which I was using it. So go fuck yourself.

[Edited on June 9, 2011 at 4:31 PM. Reason : n't ]

6/9/2011 4:30:22 PM

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"and I think we should be able to reasonably agree that potential players are doing at least a little research about where they're going. You don't have to look hard to see that UNC is going to be in the shitter,"

apparently some kids don't see that, because they keep committing

6/9/2011 4:45:53 PM

Because Butch Davis knows how to sell his program. At the very least, he lies well enough about it to convince his recruits that they aren't going to get heavy sanctions.

[Edited on June 9, 2011 at 4:50 PM. Reason : also, the obvious outcome is colored by my hopes and bias.]

6/9/2011 4:49:52 PM

^^^Pointing out that UNC is under investigation and might get sanctions is not dishonest.

[Edited on June 9, 2011 at 4:57 PM. Reason : .]

6/9/2011 4:57:14 PM

Playing on the fears of a recruit is dishonest, because you don't know any more than the next guy about whether or not there will even BE sanctions, much less severe ones.

6/9/2011 6:30:46 PM

nobody is talking about promising recruits there will be severe sanctions

6/9/2011 6:53:58 PM

Astral, your every statement is getting shot down not just by me, but everyone who understands the first thing about NCAA recruiting. Clearly, you place a huge value on being professional, as evidenced by your last comment which translates to a third grader not getting their way because everyone else is pointing out their flawed logic. Keep being professional by pouting and slinging profanities in the midst of your "underhanded blatant" ignorance, it's helping.

6/9/2011 9:12:11 PM

Um, negative recruiting is perfectly fine when it comes to this kind of thing IMO. It's a legit concern. Saying "x" is old and sick and might retire is a different story...

6/9/2011 9:17:20 PM

"x" is old and sick and might retire, you don't want to go there.

"x" is getting investigated by the NCAA and may get sanctions, you don't want to go there.


Those are wildly different to you?


LOL @ NCSUMEB for trying to sound high and mighty while he says absolutely nothing. there is only one thing in my posts that you guys disagree with, and that is whether or not negative recruiting is a legit tactic. Just because the majority of people in this thread might disagree with me, that doesn't make me wrong. In your response you didn't even sort of acknowledge that I gave you, point for point, a refuting argument for everything that you said and instead harped on me because I used profanity. We're adults here, bud, get over it. Now I'll give you an opportunity to respond to my last posts yourself, or to make another point about why negative recruiting is ok... But don't attempt to blast me and claim victory by hiding behind the word "fuck" without something to back it up.

Edit: I'll add that Adam and Joe on 99.9 had a conversation about this several months ago, and every coach they had on the show (NCSU, ECU, DUKE, I don't remember if UNC was interviewed) at least claimed that they never negatively recruit. So I'd maybe step back and re-evaluate what you think you know about NCAA recruiting.

[Edited on June 9, 2011 at 9:34 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2011 9:31:00 PM

Everyone does negative recruiting - but whether it is dishonest depends on how it is done. It happens all the time in the business world when two competitors are going after the same customer - sometimes called ghosting. You find your competitor's weak points or areas that you know their customers are sensitive to and you focus on those issues. For example if you know your competitor has had recent ethics issues come to light, and you know the customer is sensitive to ethics issues, then you focus on how ethical your company is.

For TOB, I would be the farm that they bring up the lack of NCAA investigations, violations, etc that occur at NCSU. That would be completely honest and I would be disappointed if he didn't. Now if he guarentees that he's heard UNC is going to get a 4 year bowl ban when he really has no idea - that would be dishonest.

6/9/2011 9:41:56 PM

What you're talking about is not negative recruiting, it's targeted [positive] recruiting which is absolutely fine.

Negative recruiting is defined as saying something negative about schools/teams/staffs/etc who you are in competition with. As long as you say, "We've not ever had huge NCAA investigations into our program, because we run a right ship," that's all fine and good.

When you say, "You know, I think we are the best fit for you. We have state of the art facilities unlike Wake, we have a huge stadium unlike ECU, and we aren't under investigation by the NCAA like UNC is" THAT is negative recruiting and it's unprofessional and I disagree that everyone does it.

[Edited on June 9, 2011 at 9:51 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2011 9:50:36 PM

Your idealism is precious.

If a recruit is choosing b/t UNC and NCSU, and the TOB says things like: "We will be bowl eligible next year (grin)." I don't consider that negative recruiting. But UNC fans would probably disagree.


[Edited on June 9, 2011 at 10:12 PM. Reason : ^]

6/9/2011 10:07:02 PM

I call that more extremely negative recruiting.

Especially cause you could be a liar.

And I'll restate that all the NC coaches on ESPN radio think that negative recruiting (or even comparative recruiting) is not their style. They focus on their program, and on what they can bring to the table.

The fact that all you guys are ok with what would constitute a sincere lack of professionalism is disappointing.

6/9/2011 10:18:56 PM

get off your high horse...i would rather have a coach who engages in "negative" recruiting, as you define it, than a coach who refuses to acknowledge the shortcomings of other programs

6/9/2011 10:34:01 PM

A liar? You'd be a liar if you said "UNC will receive a bowl ban next year". I would consider that to be inappropriate. But stressing that NCSU will be able to go to a bowl if they win 6 games is fair game IMO.

6/9/2011 10:39:21 PM

the world of revenue sport NCAA recruiting is full of dirty, amoral practices...may as well get on board (within the rules) as opposed to letting your program sink like an anvil because you have "principles"

6/9/2011 10:43:14 PM

acknowledging them has nothing to do with pointing them out to people you want to recruit.

"at least we'll be bowl eligible next year" *wink wink* is obviously thumbing your nose at the probability that UNC isn't going to be. Saying something like that, and having it understood, and then being wrong makes you look even worse than negative recruiting in the first place.

Part of the reason we're not under investigation like UNC is because our staff HAS the morals and principles you think don't exist. Sticking to your professionalism is nothing to be ashamed of, even in a world where cheating may be "the norm." I think TOB uses these principles when he recruits, and we're certainly not sinking into the ground.

Look at BD on the other hand...

6/9/2011 11:06:14 PM

i agree with you, that TOB is very professional in his recruiting. but if you think he and the staff haven't pointed out UNC's misdeeds to recruits, you are delusional. it is the ultimate recruiting tool, especially for schools 25 miles apart who are defined as rivals. there is a big distinction between speculating about a program's future, and pointing out that a certain program may have future issues. he could say something along the lines of "UNC's football future is uncertain, while NCSU is getting consistently better each year while playing within the rules"

is that bad to you? not being sarcastic, serious question

6/9/2011 11:18:38 PM

Obviously not, big name players are still recruiting there left and right.

Also, why don't you look for some proof, instead of running around pointing out that is must be true "because you think so".

[Edited on June 9, 2011 at 11:36 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2011 11:36:14 PM

the same could be said for your method of thinking, that all is gravy boats and biscuits when it comes to recruiting

6/9/2011 11:45:03 PM

I offered proof. I told you every coach in NC that was on 99.9 the Fan when they were talking about it a few months ago said they thought it was sleazy (paraphrasing) and that they took no part in it.

6/10/2011 12:26:14 AM

that's your proof? that they said they don't participate in "negative recruiting" on the radio?

6/10/2011 9:21:17 AM

"if the glove don't fit u must acquit"

6/10/2011 9:45:33 AM

They certainly did, and that is much better evidence than, "They must, because it's probably effective"

6/10/2011 10:17:27 AM