FWIW, this wasn't a case of her breaking into a random house and stealing shit for pills. This was about her family saying enough is enough.

3/11/2013 6:25:56 PM

Settledown's half assed attempt at trolling is not amusing.

3/11/2013 6:33:32 PM

so to stop her from using drugs they set her up with breaking and entering/robbery charges?

riiiiiiiiight

well there goes BridgetSPK's whole theory about them not caring about her...

[Edited on March 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM. Reason : .]

3/11/2013 6:41:30 PM

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"hey Mtan Man214, how bout you stay the FUCK out of Chit Chat if you hate chit chat so FUCKING much"

Or, the handful of users that turn most of chit chat into nothing but a troll and padders forum could step back a little.

How about instead of hurling insults at every low post count user, post something worthwhile so Chit Chat can become the "anything goes arena" where internet hijinx rule the day like this place was in its glory days, instead of turning it into the "lets bump useless old threads and pad or troll the shit out of current ones" forum.

3/11/2013 7:13:10 PM

^^i don't know if you are trolling or not but I agree with you for the most part...


my great uncle used to get drunk and beat the dog crap out of my great aunt...when my grandmother asked her about it her excuse was always, "he didn't mean to hurt me, he was just drunk"....finally my grandmother had heard that mess enough, lost her cookies, and said, "he was NOT drunk BEFORE he started drinking!"

rachel marie has been whining about having fibromyalgia for years...you know what...a LOT of people have chronic pain...debilitating chronic pain...they don't all because pill heads and start breaking into houses...or even just stealing from their family...

she was NOT a pill popping felon BEFORE she started abusing prescription meds...she was, however, BAT SHIT CRAZY...

I don't feel sorry for her at all...

(whole lot of BSC in this thread)

[Edited on March 11, 2013 at 7:13 PM. Reason : asdf]

3/11/2013 7:13:24 PM

While I've been having a few laughs at her expense, I'm 100% serious about my stance on drugs and addiction. I have a family full of alcoholic/addicts. Those that wanted to change their lives got sober and their shit together, while those who enjoyed their vices are either dead or still abusing.

Maybe I sound a little callous, but I think people use the term 'addiction' to get away with their behavior. And hey, if it makes people happy to abuse drugs/alcohol let them do it. Just don't expect much sympathy afterwards from me. In fact, pitying an addict is probably the absolute worst thing you can do for them. Most addicts have huge self esteem issues and act out to get attention, so you're just enabling them even more by feeling sorry for them. Awfulizing them and shaming them doesn't do much good either. Your best bet is honestly to just ignore them. They'll eventually get tired of doing nothing but getting high alone, or they'll die. Either way, you won't have to deal with shit that isn't your fault. That's pretty much what an intervention is: you tell them you're sick of their shit and if they don't stop, they're out of your life for good.


[Edited on March 11, 2013 at 7:43 PM. Reason : I know, I'm a cold hearted monster]

3/11/2013 7:24:49 PM

^^why are you assuming she was crazy before pills, did you even know her?

3/11/2013 7:37:05 PM

haha, read the whole thread dude

3/11/2013 7:37:41 PM

another thread where merbig's boring posts are pretty much ignored

3/11/2013 7:38:05 PM

that's every thread amirite!!!

3/11/2013 7:38:49 PM

I don't know RachelMarie, but once you've dealt with an addict/alcoholic, you've pretty much dealt with them all. They are selfish as fuck and will use and manipulate people to get what they want. They aren't necessarily bad people, but they are terrible to be around.

3/11/2013 7:39:51 PM

Whoa, I never said they didn't care about her. I said it seemed like they sucked.

3/11/2013 7:43:30 PM

given how her life turned out, i'd be inclined to agree with you, but you never really know

3/11/2013 7:44:18 PM

She provided me with a wonderful friendship over the years

3/11/2013 7:46:47 PM

What were her other usernames? I've found where she talks about going to live with her biological father. So now I don't know which family I remember as crappy, the adoptive one or her biological father's house.

Something Lila?

3/11/2013 8:00:35 PM

lilalavender

3/11/2013 8:03:19 PM

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"I don't know RachelMarie, but once you've dealt with an addict/alcoholic, you've pretty much dealt with them all. "

This. Some are higher functioning than others, but they are all pretty narcissistic while in the grips of their addiction. If you've ever been to any sort of support group for addicts or their loved ones, you'll hear the same song to a million different tunes.

3/11/2013 8:03:30 PM

^^Thank you, sir!

3/11/2013 8:05:33 PM

love the sinner, hate the sin!

or something like that

3/11/2013 8:07:42 PM

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"^^why are you assuming she was crazy before pills, did you even know her?"

I met her at a tunnel painting!


but i didn't know her personally because i had no desire to get to know a person who sleeps with a dude who decides two weeks later that she's too crazy for him after she goes to his house in the middle of the night, throwing crap at his house and screaming for him to come out until he calls the police, so then she runs her car off the road so she can say she had a wreck causing her to lose the baby she was carrying by posting on facebook "RIP Baby Bayley"

...p.s....she wasn't pregnant AND that was pre-pills

[Edited on March 11, 2013 at 8:17 PM. Reason : make your own judgement call on whether she was crazy]

3/11/2013 8:16:13 PM

hearsay

3/11/2013 8:18:18 PM

i was pretty decent friends with the dude...and i saw it on facebook!

3/11/2013 8:19:20 PM

somebody's awfully quick to defend a drug addict/criminal

i'm sure she's just a peach though

3/11/2013 8:19:33 PM

omg

3/11/2013 8:19:35 PM

inadmissible!

[Edited on March 11, 2013 at 8:20 PM. Reason : AHA, it took me too long to figure out how to spell inadmissible]

3/11/2013 8:19:35 PM

part of the problem with all the drug addicts on the streets of SF is that they were crazy before they began using, and now they are crazy AND drug addicted. not a good combo

3/11/2013 8:22:15 PM

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"so then she runs her car off the road so she can say she had a wreck causing her to lose the baby she was carrying by posting on facebook "RIP Baby Bayley" "

Forgot about that. Good times.

3/11/2013 8:23:47 PM

so it sounds like she had mental issues prior to pharmaceutical issues. does that make her a bad person? might it explain her reasoning for becoming dependent on chemicals?

3/11/2013 8:41:43 PM

Drug addicts aren't necessarily "bad people", but it's not a secret that people with unresolved issues/trauma are vulnerable to substance abuse issues. Trying to psychoanalyze someone like this over the Internet is pretty useless. A good therapist is probably needed at this point.

3/11/2013 8:45:46 PM

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"Trying to psychoanalyze someone like this over the Internet is pretty useless."

Fuck off, troll. TWW nailed it.

3/11/2013 8:50:40 PM

Uh, I think she's way past that point. That might've helped years before all this crap happened, but 'talking it out' isn't going to change much.

3/11/2013 8:50:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/user/lilalavender/videos?view=0&flow=grid

3/11/2013 8:57:11 PM

TWW devouring one of its own, ITT.

3/11/2013 8:57:24 PM

you must be new here

3/11/2013 8:58:44 PM

If I ever hit rock bottom its good to know I have my TWW friends here for support.

3/11/2013 8:59:50 PM

hey pal, don't count on me. you've been warned!

3/11/2013 9:00:55 PM

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"I have a cousin who's a heroin addict. He gets clean for awhile, and then it's back to the streets and gutter. I can't count the number of times he's been to rehab. A few years ago, I REALLY thought he'd kicked it for good. He was clean for a few years and even started a successful business. Had a nice condo, car, GF, everything. Well, guess where he is AGAIN: back to the same self-destructive, selfish, bullshit he's been pulling all of his life. He's made it pretty clear that getting loaded on heroin is the best thing in the world. How fucking pathetic is that?"

My mom is a nurse, so she has to do continued education every year. A while back she went to a class about drug addiction. The doctor teaching the class said, once someone is addicted to heroin, or meth, you might as well lock them in a cell forever because the body can never get over that addiction like it can with the other drugs.

3/11/2013 9:16:16 PM

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"another thread where merbig's boring posts are pretty much ignored"

Insightful.

3/11/2013 9:18:13 PM

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"My mom is a nurse, so she has to do continued education every year. A while back she went to a class about drug addiction. The doctor teaching the class said, once someone is addicted to heroin, or meth, you might as well lock them in a cell forever because the body can never get over that addiction like it can with the other drugs."

That's BS. There are plenty of people who recover from addiction and go on to lead rich and productive lives. One of my best friends who grew up in a fucked up household (step father molested her, close friend shot himself in the head, etc) got hooked on shooting up meth in her teenage years. She's been clean and sober for nearly 10 years now and she's putting herself through nursing school. The only difference between her and the rest of the addicts that failed is that she hit rock bottom and really WANTED to get clean. NA became her life. She went to meetings 2x a day for YEARS. She still goes!

Is it easy? Fuck no. But this whole, oh once you're an addict, you're doomed and you can't do anything about it is BULLSHIT.

3/11/2013 9:24:21 PM

Heroin withdrawal is no joke. A friend of mine was in a bed in detox next to someone in the first few days of withdrawal and it was brutal.

3/11/2013 9:24:39 PM

Of course it is! But it won't kill you.

Alcohol/Benzos will though

3/11/2013 9:25:24 PM

I've been addicted to heroin for several years now, but I can really quit any time I want

3/11/2013 9:27:23 PM

My substance abuse counselor used to tell me that crack was better for me than alcohol.

True story.

3/11/2013 9:28:53 PM

^^^^^ I think that kinda proves his point. If she's been off of it for 10 years (congrats to her) but still goes to treatment, she hasn't "beaten" it, she's just found a successful way to maintain control over her addiction. If she felt it didn't have a hold over her still, why would she continue going to meetings?

The 1 person I know that has overcome an addiction as strong as that (herion) still goes to meetings now 2 years after sobering up. She battles with it all the time and a strong support system is necessary to keep a control over it.

[Edited on March 11, 2013 at 9:29 PM. Reason : ]

3/11/2013 9:29:31 PM

^^a hit or two of crack isn't going to kill you

^ actually, it doesn't prove his point at all. he claimed that some doctor said heroin/meth made people throwaways since their brains are permanently fucked up. it's not true at all. heroin doens't kill brain cells! meth on the other hand does, but people still recover if they stay clean and do things to repair the damage.

again, i'm sick of people acting like addiction removes all accountability of the addict. it's horseshit. STOP BELIEVING IT!



[Edited on March 11, 2013 at 9:39 PM. Reason : .]

3/11/2013 9:29:58 PM

I have a cousin who's addicted to brake fluid.

He says he can stop anytime.

3/11/2013 9:30:24 PM

^ I chuckled

3/11/2013 9:31:01 PM

But yes, addicts and alcoholics will always battle their dependence. You just don't wake up tomorrow and no longer have a problem.

However, I really think that a lot of people just replace their chemical dependence with a "12 step addiction." But y'know AA meetings aren't going to ruin your life.

3/11/2013 9:32:30 PM

It appears that UJustWait enjoys watching the downfall of others via the internet. The satisfaction he seemed to get off of Ian I.C.U.P's blunder was disturbing.

3/11/2013 9:32:58 PM

so much bitterness, self-righteousness, and resentment itt.

3/11/2013 9:35:47 PM