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This is what all games seek to achieve, similiar to PvP balance. Its not a ground breaking venture.

1/21/2005 1:25:21 PM

I don't necessarily believe it will be ground-breaking. However, I do believe it has the potential to be the best implementation of the battleground idea. Namely, taking the tedious and boring part out and putting the emphasis on fun.

I'll settle for vast improvement

1/21/2005 1:28:38 PM

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"Hey, I already said it looks better, you ignored that. You also ignored the part about EQ having higher requirements and therefore, a smaller user base."

The requirements difference are minimal. The difference in graphics quality is significant. If you don't meet the minimum requirements to play EQ2 then you can barely handle WindowsXP, I feel no sympathy.

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"There you go, another reason not to even consider EQ2. EQ has a terrible PvP system, what makes you think, or anyone else, that EQ2 would have a decent PvP system? The game retailers have never proven themselves in this regard."

EQ is NOT the same game as EQ2. They are not even remotely similar except that they use the same Lore. You can't say that EQ2's PvP sucks if you have never seen it... you seem intent on passing jusgement on something you have never seen. Besides, I thought you said you can't compare old games to new games?

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"This is why WoW is different, on a PvP server, the central focus of the game is not the monsters you fight, it is the players you fight. Leveling and getting better armor and gear is SECOND to the player versus player ascept, where in EQ2 it is FIRST and ONLY. Hence, an inferior game in the WAAGH's opinion."

Killing a monster or killing a PC, its the same underlying premise... "hack and slash to get better armor" and/or prestige. EQ2 will have PVP, its just not in the game. The PvP arenas are there ready for use. Class balance is a huge issue when it comes to PvP and from the rumblings I've heard its a serious problem in WoW, a good reason to take your time with its implementation. A large number of people could care less about PvP. In my opinion it brings nothing of value to a game, only griefers. If I want PvP I'll play a game that its intended for... FPS. I think you are forgetting the underlying premise of an MMORPG.

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"ou cannot COMPARE and then RATE a game that has been in existence for multiple years to a game that has just been released. That... is NOT a fair comparision. As I've already said, time will tell who the most successful MMO will be, and you simply are calling the cards to soon, so to speak. "

First off, I was comparing it to EQ2 and that came out just 2 weeks before WoW. Secondly you can compare odler games in the same genre despite time differences because you are comparing things like how smooth the launches go, how game issues like class balance, exploits, and bugs are addressed, etc. These thigns are all relative.

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"Blizzard always takes their time when implementing new features, this is not a new thing for their company. But when they do release the new features, it will be superior to all others, b/c Blizzard learns from other MMO's mistakes. You also fail to understand that the in-games features they have not released yet are mainly for characters that are level 40 or higher, and are players with MOUNDS of gold. This does not exist in the WOW market yet since it is SO NEW, hence implementation can be postponed."

And after releasing 3 VERY successful MMO's you don't think SOE has a pretty good idea of what it takes to make a good MMO? They personally expereine the growing pains, unlike Blizzard who is trying to learn from others. Excuses are excuses, if its not implemented then you can't sing its praises.

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"You will see, young padawan, you will see."

Not even.

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"On the contrary evercrackhead. You are the delusional one that is desperately trying to belittle a game that WILL dominate the market. You say WOW has major issues and major problems to address, but you are simply wrong. What major issues? What major problems? I can log into my server at anytime, except between 10-2 on Tuesday mornings. You are so misinformed it's scary. This game will grow, and will continue to grow, and it will lead the market. Lineage 2 had a precursor, hence their large userbase. Blizzard has Diablo, Diablo 2, Warcraft 1/2/3, Starcraft, and much more, which will all influence the WOW userbase. You will see, time will tell the victor."

I'm NOT trying to belittle WoW. I simply posted Tycho and Gabe's rant on WoW because, shockingly, this is the official WoW thread and it just might apply here. YOU are the one that started the trashing of other games... your first response being "EQ2 sucks. That damn game cannot even convince EQ1 players to move to it...". All I've done is defended EQ2 and show where OTHERS have said "bad things" about WoW. These WoW fanbois are the ones that freaked out at the slightest hint of negativity. All I've done is pointed out what others have reported as "serious problems". If you don't agree then take it up with them, but when even WoW lovers are coming down on it hard then I have to wonder.

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"Not that it matters at all, but have fun hacking and slashing your boring MMO life away. I think I'll go raid Astranaar and kill a few key NPC's to prevent the alliance from gaining strength. Can you do that in EQ2? HAHAHA, no, and you never will be able too. As for calling all WOW users prepubescent kids, I ask you, who is the real adult here? kthx."

Do you not see the irony in this snippet? Go to the forums and tell me that the maturity level is not well below that of most MMORPG's... I didn't say all were, I said there is a pervasive mentality that is severely lacking in maturity. You can even see it in the child-like responses of COLLEGE students in this thread.

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"Plus, he's bashing WOW in a WOW thread, and he doesn't even play the game. A real winner folks"

I'm not bashing WoW. I posted the comments of WoW fanbois berating it in the official WoW thread, where it belongs. You started the bashing. The only personal opinions I've expressed are on the graphics, which I thing were done at a level below that of a premiere MMO.

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"And who said this game was ugly? On an ATI 9500 Pro (shitty graphics card):"

Like I said, dated graphics and sub-par for what you should expect from WoW. Go take a look at some EQ2 high quality and you will be amazed. Look at some of the other games coming out soon and you will see that Blizzard really let their graphics effot slide. Wouldn't be surprised to see one of the early expansions have a graphics overhaul.

1/21/2005 1:28:41 PM

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"I don't necessarily believe it will be ground-breaking. However, I do believe it has the potential to be the best implementation of the battleground idea. Namely, taking the tedious and boring part out and putting the emphasis on fun. I'll settle for vast improvement "

well now mcdanger views us both as helpless idiots

1/21/2005 1:38:09 PM

Time to play the qoute game:

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"And after releasing 3 VERY successful MMO's you don't think SOE has a pretty good idea of what it takes to make a good MMO? "

Does anybody play SWG? Or planetside(one of the worst fucking games ever made)? Does anybody care?

/anecdotal evidence.

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" They personally expereine the growing pains, unlike Blizzard who is trying to learn from others. Excuses are excuses, if its not implemented then you can't sing its praises. "

OIC. Must explain why SWG(after EQ and Planetside) was released with so few techinical bugs.

Oh wait. The game barely fucking worked at release.

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"I simply posted Tycho and Gabe's rant on WoW because, shockingly, this is the official WoW thread and it just might apply here."

PA is funny but if you listen to any of their opinions on games you would think Master of Orion III would pass for great fucking game.

Do most of you even know what MOOIII is? Exactly.

They don't review, they rant. Why are they pissed? Cause they can't play WoW at the moment.

"Plz 2 die" for selling out your game Blizzard. Its not letting ub4r nerds get their 15 hr binges in.

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"Do you not see the irony in this snippet? Go to the forums and tell me that the maturity level is not well below that of most MMORPG's... I didn't say all were, I said there is a pervasive mentality that is severely lacking in maturity. You can even see it in the child-like responses of COLLEGE students in this thread. "

Speaking of college students, did english 110 teach you to capatilize entire words to get a point across?

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"All I've done is defended EQ2 and show where OTHERS have said "bad things" about WoW."

Obvious logic fails nearly every TWW poster. Why don't you stop and consider why you are the only one trying to defend EQ2.

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"I'm not bashing WoW. I posted the comments of WoW fanbois berating it in the official WoW thread, where it belongs. You started the bashing. The only personal opinions I've expressed are on the graphics, which I thing were done at a level below that of a premiere MMO."

MMO graphics. Oxymoron. Besides, aside from the terrible water, I personally think WoW graphics are excellent.

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"Like I said, dated graphics and sub-par for what you should expect from WoW. Go take a look at some EQ2 high quality and you will be amazed. Look at some of the other games coming out soon and you will see that Blizzard really let their graphics effot slide. Wouldn't be surprised to see one of the early expansions have a graphics overhaul."

Actually Blizzard games have never been on the cutting edge of graphics but have made up for it by adding small details all over the place. WC3 had air units that had fluid motion and actually look like they flew while buildings on the edge of cliffs had foundation extensions depending on the angle you built it at. WoW has an environment that makes total sense in the WC3 world and after two months of playing I still get a w00t everytime I pass a broken horde catapults or sunken alliance warships (at locations that major battles happened in the WC3 story).

By contrast, Planetside had the most boring environment of any game I've played. While UC and Orgrimmar differ drastically in architecture, despite being on the same side, different sides in Planetside had the same exact buildings and all bases were pretty much the same 4 walls and com center.

1/21/2005 3:16:54 PM

master of orion 3 made me so sad

1/21/2005 3:38:12 PM

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"Killing a monster or killing a PC, its the same underlying premise."

You lose this argument now and forever, just because you said that. Typical Evernerd.

Goodbye.

1/21/2005 3:41:37 PM

Anyone playing on Stormrage or Arthas for WoW... if so, i play Torval (60 NE Hunter) on Stormrage, and Torvil (14 Undead Rogue) on Arthas.

[Edited on January 21, 2005 at 4:35 PM. Reason : fix]

1/21/2005 4:34:37 PM

Has anyone beaten Onyxia?


Server:: Stormrage
UN:: Abashore
Class:: Warrior
Race:: Human
LVL:: 35

Server:: Stormrage
UN:: Barcoder
Class:: Warlock
Race:: Gnome
LVL:: 22

[Edited on January 21, 2005 at 4:37 PM. Reason : im on rage]

1/21/2005 4:35:51 PM

look at this link..

http://www.conquest.teamgbu.com/ony25.jpg

1/21/2005 4:42:36 PM

25% health isnt dead.


I wonder what the bitch drops....

1/21/2005 4:47:19 PM

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"Does anybody play SWG? Or planetside(one of the worst fucking games ever made)? Does anybody care? /anecdotal evidence. "

Again, speaking out of your ass... SWG has around 275,000 subscribers (bearly double City of Heros. More than UO, DAoC, Runescape, and others). PlanetScape actually holds decent population (especially considering its really the first MMOFPS)... better than Sims Online, ShadowBane, AO, AC1/2, WW2Online, and others). SOE actulally holds almost 35% of the active subscriptions with all games combined (fyi SWG: 9.0, Eq2: 10.1%, Eq1: 13.7%, WoW: 11.4%). Of course all of these will change drastically in coming months as the newer games build up steam. But to say that SOE's other ventures were failures is just plain asinine. Do you guys even look stuff up before you blurt it out or is basing a point on a little bit of research/truth something that escapes your thought process?

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"OIC. Must explain why SWG(after EQ and Planetside) was released with so few techinical bugs. Oh wait. The game barely fucking worked at release."

Each successive release was better and better. If you have any longtime MMO experience then you would know this, but I have a feeling you might struggle to connect that string of logic too. EQ1 at release (along with UO, M59, etc) were piles of shit because it was uncharted territory. Over time companies learn and the process goes smoother. EQ2 was about as flawless of a launch that I've taken part in and really outside of one major hiccup in late december I have yet to see any real problems.

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"PA is funny but if you listen to any of their opinions on games you would think Master of Orion III would pass for great fucking game. Do most of you even know what MOOIII is? Exactly. They don't review, they rant. Why are they pissed? Cause they can't play WoW at the moment. "Plz 2 die" for selling out your game Blizzard. Its not letting ub4r nerds get their 15 hr binges in.[quote] Yes I know about MOO3, just like I know about Meridian59 and the likes. I never claimed PA to be THE authority on games/gaming, simply supplied what they said and thought it was quite funny... especially fcoming rom 2 fanbois. I would be pissed if I couldn't play my game either... but I don't have that problem. [quote]Speaking of college students, did english 110 teach you to capatilize entire words to get a point across?"

Nah, I got to skip those becaus eof AP credit. And since when are you the Internet grammar ninja? Would you not use emphatic tones when talking? So whats so wrong about using emphatic speech. Besides, anyone using "OIC", among other English 110 lessons, has no right to correct grammar.

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"Obvious logic fails nearly every TWW poster. Why don't you stop and consider why you are the only one trying to defend EQ2."

The only reason I had to reply was the veracious responses I got from simply posting the PA snippet and a light-hearted,tongue-in-cheek quip. Some of the claims and allegations were just too egregious to ignore.

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"MMO graphics. Oxymoron. Besides, aside from the terrible water, I personally think WoW graphics are excellent."

That arguement would ahve been valid... 5 years ago. This is a different era and MMO's are held to a different standard. Look at the results in EQ2, Guild Wars, and upcoming games like Vanguard and you'll see that no longer are subpar graphics the norm. MMO graphics are rivaling standard PC game graphics now. I was expecting MUCH (just for you) more from Blizzard in the graphical rendering department...

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"Actually Blizzard games have never been on the cutting edge of graphics but have made up for it by adding small details all over the place. WC3 had air units that had fluid motion and actually look like they flew while buildings on the edge of cliffs had foundation extensions depending on the angle you built it at. WoW has an environment that makes total sense in the WC3 world and after two months of playing I still get a w00t everytime I pass a broken horde catapults or sunken alliance warships (at locations that major battles happened in the WC3 story). By contrast, Planetside had the most boring environment of any game I've played. While UC and Orgrimmar differ drastically in architecture, despite being on the same side, different sides in Planetside had the same exact buildings and all bases were pretty much the same 4 walls and com center."

Based on what they were able to do in games like WC3 I expected more in WoW. I seriously expected at least EQ2 level of rendering, if not better. Its simply not there and was really surprised/let down. The envrionmental "flare" in the world is just as present in any 3rd generation MMO, EQ2 has plenty of the same. Its what you expect in a premiere game. The difference is that Blizzard skimped on the engine/rendering. The graphics don't do their artwork justice and its a shame. I find it hard to believe Blizzard fans would be satisfied with it.

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"You lose this argument now and forever, just because you said that. Typical Evernerd. Goodbye."

What is it that you do to kill a PC that is different from killing a MOB? Is it not "hack and slash", spells, etc. that you are so against yet fundamental to every game? Yeah, I thought so. Honestly, I've always gotten greater challenge from well-tuned set encounters than I have any PVP. Its usually quickest to the draw and class comparison (balance is never there)

1/21/2005 5:45:44 PM

I'll stop with the massive quote replies but to think you guys are satisified with those graphics leaves me puzzled. We'll see how membership and customer satisfaction shakes out down the road (plus the "issues" brought up by PA and the likes).

Most people I know that actively play both say they are completely different games (geared towards completely different playstyles and attitudes) but neither is actually "better" than the other. The major drawback they give for WoW is that they don't think its "deep" enough... that you top out too fast and becomes solely PVP with little provided content to peak your interest. I could understand that comment because it describes the way Blizzards games worked in the past. Some people prefer that, some people prefer longer, drawn out progression that focuses on quests, storyline, and character development/advancement. In the end, EQ2 is not the $2 whore you make it out to be. There are a vast number of people playing 1&2 for good reason. Oh, and watch out for Vangaurd... could weasily knock all of these games off the top spot.

1/21/2005 5:53:36 PM

could all of you quote-whores please go back to the Soap Box?

1/21/2005 7:23:09 PM

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1/21/2005 7:44:58 PM

agreed, i fucking hate reading posts that go on for 2 pages or more.


hey 0 what server is the waagh brigade on?

1/21/2005 7:48:19 PM

^Stormreaver

And:

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~mdgronke/Movie.wmv

Me (34) vs a Druid (36)

[Edited on January 21, 2005 at 8:25 PM. Reason : ]

1/21/2005 8:25:14 PM

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"What is it that you do to kill a PC that is different from killing a MOB? Is it not "hack and slash", spells, etc. that you are so against yet fundamental to every game? Yeah, I thought so. Honestly, I've always gotten greater challenge from well-tuned set encounters than I have any PVP."

GOD

YOU LOSE THIS ARGUMENT

STOP TRYING

you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. If this is the case, you weren't very good at PVP or were PVPing losers. This leads me to believe you PVPed in EQ 1.

1/21/2005 10:05:37 PM

Gronke better hollar at me.

[Edited on January 21, 2005 at 10:18 PM. Reason : /yell]

1/21/2005 10:18:22 PM

1/22/2005 1:13:39 AM

please nobody try and say that SWG was good whatsoever in its first few months.. I played through beta and many long painful months into release... they didn't even acknolwedge broken classes for the longest time.. and when they did they didn't do shit to fix them at first.. then had a HUGE swing in the wrong direction.. that game should not reflect on EQ2 or any other game.. it just goes to show that there can be a blunder in any game's release.. period.. no reflection on any other

1/22/2005 1:29:34 AM

hehe

1/22/2005 2:48:19 AM

lvl 42 Tauren Warrior on Stormreaver.

finally got my mount too...

[Edited on January 22, 2005 at 3:36 AM. Reason : fda]

1/22/2005 3:35:41 AM

just got to level 20 today..havent been able to play for about 4 days now. it felt good to get back and get about 1.5 levels tonight

1/22/2005 3:37:51 AM

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"Me (34) vs a Druid (36)"

i can't believe you beat a druid that only used moonfire and tried to melee you


i hope that cloth armor protects you from a proper melee char

1/22/2005 5:29:31 AM

yeah that druid has no idea wtf he was doing

1/22/2005 11:01:10 AM

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"The requirements difference are minimal. The difference in graphics quality is significant. If you don't meet the minimum requirements to play EQ2 then you can barely handle WindowsXP, I feel no sympathy."

You are a fool, not only because you don't know the system requirements for Windows XP, but you fail to realize that the minimum requirements for EQ2 are nearly DOUBLE the minimum requirements for WOW. Minimal you say, HA!!!

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"Everquest 2 Requirements: Operating System: Windows 98/2000/ME/XP Processor: 1 GHz RAM: 512 MB Video Card: 64MB 3D graphics card WOW Requirements: Operating System: Windows 98/2000/ME/XP Processor: 800 MHz RAM: 256 MB RAM Video Card: 32MB 3D graphics card"

As you can clearly see, the EQ2 requirements are double the WOW requirements, minus processing speed.

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"EQ is NOT the same game as EQ2. They are not even remotely similar except that they use the same Lore. You can't say that EQ2's PvP sucks if you have never seen it... you seem intent on passing jusgement on something you have never seen. Besides, I thought you said you can't compare old games to new games?"

I can pass judgement on EQ2, BECAUSE it has a precursor. Similarly to how I can pass judgement on Lineage 2. Both of these games used the same company from their original games, for their sequels, and as I've said before, the everquest team has NEVER proved themselves in the PvP department for over SEVEN YEARS.

You are losing...

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"Killing a monster or killing a PC, its the same underlying premise... "hack and slash to get better armor" and/or prestige. EQ2 will have PVP, its just not in the game. The PvP arenas are there ready for use. Class balance is a huge issue when it comes to PvP and from the rumblings I've heard its a serious problem in WoW, a good reason to take your time with its implementation. A large number of people could care less about PvP. In my opinion it brings nothing of value to a game, only griefers. If I want PvP I'll play a game that its intended for... FPS. I think you are forgetting the underlying premise of an MMORPG."

You are so stupid. The underlying premise of Ultima Online was PvP. Are you saying....that Ulltima Online.... THE FIRST OFFICIAL MMORPG.... is NOT an MMORPG, because it was PvP focused? I mean.... by your weak-ass logic, Ultima Online "missed the point" of being an MMORPG.... HAHHA, you are un-fucking-believable man.

Also, fighting against a person instead of a mob, requires completely different tactics, armor, gear, weapons, and mindset. It is plainly obvious that you cannot comprehend this fact. EQ2 is nothing more than a gigantic PvE game, with slightly better graphics, (higher minimum system requirements), and a much... much.... shittier gameplay and purpose.

My purpose for playing WOW on a PvP server is to totally destroy my "player" opponents... and their cities, and their NPCs, and most importantly....their morale. What is your purpose in EQ2? A new shiny sword to fight a non-thinking mob? Well.. have fun...

In a nutshell, you are uncredible... and unbelievable.

[Edited on January 22, 2005 at 1:54 PM. Reason : -]

1/22/2005 1:34:21 PM

while i enjoy WoW a lot and am planning to play for quite a bit you really cant knock on the PVE amount in EQ and (i havent played)EQ2.

i tried Shadowbane and then DAOC both which were heavily geared towards PVP in the endgame, and they just weren't as fun. Some people just don't like that style as much. Yes, people can think and have to have different strategies against another player, but 99% of the time it is just making the best class or using the gayest tactic.

ex. shadowbane, everyone made a priest/caster that could do an insane amount of damage. there was no point to being 1/2 of the classes because they simply couldnt compete. there are always going to be classes that just arent equal because it is very difficult to balance it (though blizzard has done relatively well).

PVE promotes some comraderie between people (even if it is for the selfish goal of getting yourself some phat lewtz) and EQ continuously surprised me with how many people would come together to kill a huge boss or take a difficult plane.



Currently I play PVP WoW and again, I enjoy it, but the PVP is rather annoying sometimes. It does add some extra elements int he fact you have to watch your back in contested territories, but you can't say it isnt annoying to be wandering off somewhere and a lvl 60 rogue atk you from the shadows just because they are bored (note im lvl 34 currently). People just like to be cheap and gay to ensure their victory. Greifing is just stupid and is a result of a heavy PVP server. I'll look past it however to enjoy some real PVP post-40.

1/22/2005 2:17:11 PM

There's already an example in this thread of a raid group trying to take down a WoW ubar boss.

msb2,

You tried to use statistics to counter my argument that SWG and Planetside are horrible games. I suppose Star Wars fans can make a case for SWG, but nobody can make a case for Planetside.

Then you said:

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"Based on what they were able to do in games like WC3 I expected more in WoW."

Games "like" WC3? What other game "like" WC3 has blizzard done recently? Are you talking about Starcraft, a game released last millenium? What exactly do you mean by "what they were able to do"? Are you talking about graphics?

News Flash: Neither WC3 or Starcraft were on the cutting edge of graphics for their respective genre. SC did 2-D while RTS was moving towards 3-D while WC3 got graphically pwnt by Generals. What they lacked in overall graphics, they made up for in environmental detail, which as I stated, is clearly present in WoW.

Your level relevance in this thread has hit zero, our conversation is over.

1/22/2005 4:27:48 PM

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"ex. shadowbane, everyone made a priest/caster that could do an insane amount of damage. there was no point to being 1/2 of the classes because they simply couldnt compete. there are always going to be classes that just arent equal because it is very difficult to balance it (though blizzard has done relatively well)."

And then people got smart and made warrior templates that tore the shit out of casters. People just never thought about trying it out, they made the same tired old melee templates and didn't try anything new.

Prelates/Crusaders and Healer Channies got their shit stomped out by my dwarf spear warrior. And there was a template my friend made that was a human warrior that stomped the shit out of practically everything. Just because people were too stupid to think up viable counters at certain times doesn't mean the game sucked or was broken.

1/22/2005 4:45:08 PM

ATTENTION ALL YOU FUCKING IDIOTS


STOP DEBATING


START PLAYING


I DONT TALK ABOUT GAMES I DONT LIKE

INSTEAD I'D GO PLAY THE ONES I DO LIKE

ANYWAYS, YOU WILL NEVER EVER CHANGE ANYONES MIND ON THIS WEBSITE

ALSO

IF YOU GOT BEEF, BRING IT ON STORMREAVER, CREATE AN ALLIANCE GUILD AND THEN FUCKING BRING IT

I GUARANTEE YOU'LL GET DEALT WITH

1/22/2005 5:33:58 PM

Why would anybody wanna waste a week of their life to stomp you?

1/22/2005 5:49:03 PM

lvl 1 undead warlock on stormreaver

1/23/2005 2:54:13 AM

Just in case anyone playing on Medivh here wanted to know..

Started a guild for some friends of mine and I. The Trexler Empire. Kinda fitting since I live in Falcon Ridge. Anyway, open to any of you all, just send a whisper to Keats.

1/23/2005 10:56:18 AM

Woo, a screenshot of nothing!

1/23/2005 11:11:59 AM

1/23/2005 11:13:18 AM

you can say what you want about the templates in SB, but i dont wanna have to make a new character every week or spends assloads of gold to respec to counter the new fad superclass. if you make balanced classes in the firstplace it wouldnt be so gay.

especially when trying certian things would make your character completely useless. that isnt a good system. right now i feel i could make pretty much any class in WoW and spec it the way i thought was useful and i could at least compete. might not be the best, but it would do alright.

[Edited on January 23, 2005 at 1:29 PM. Reason : d]

1/23/2005 1:28:07 PM

IMO, mage is the best pvp class b/c we can deal out TONS of damage in a matter of seconds, without being touched (<3 Mana Shield).

[Edited on January 23, 2005 at 1:36 PM. Reason : -]

1/23/2005 1:33:45 PM

you know you like this game too much when you will leave a party in progress to go play

that happened last night

come on guys

1/23/2005 1:56:38 PM

1/23/2005 2:01:12 PM

finally found this game at the fourth store I went to...

1/23/2005 2:24:52 PM

haha, I've seen worse man. I have seen people bring their laptops to parties and actually do a WOW instance dungeon while other people are playing beer pong.

1/23/2005 2:27:53 PM

AHH! I cant decide if I want to be a tauren shaman or druid to play with my friend who is a tauren warrior...

1/23/2005 2:54:28 PM

Be a shaman, druids aren't good enough.

1/23/2005 3:11:37 PM

when i get my current player up high enough i'm gonna make a rogue too

1/23/2005 3:12:33 PM

I had a shaman, didn't like the play style

I'm not big on the semi melee, semi spell caster type player

So I have a warlock, and when he hits around 40 i'll probably start a rogue...seems those two will fit my play styles the best

1/23/2005 3:19:28 PM

anyone playing on Skullcrusher?

1/23/2005 3:34:15 PM

Skullcrusher here, Zurvan on horde side

1/23/2005 3:41:08 PM

Bah I cant even create my account...Everytime I enter my key it gives me some server error report...

[Edited on January 23, 2005 at 3:55 PM. Reason : s]

1/23/2005 3:48:38 PM

43 Dwarf Rogue on Burning Blade here

1/23/2005 3:51:13 PM