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"that will only be sparsely frequented by students"

Sounds like you never go up there on weekends. A crapload of people currently use the campus as a park and very few of them are students.

11/27/2012 2:06:34 PM

I doubt the dude has ever been there

11/27/2012 2:08:59 PM

Parks become breeding grounds for crime.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=8344456
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/118106/
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/156080/
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=4024186

How much better would it be if the area could instead be gentrified with a high-end suburb and the undesirables pushed further south into Garner?

11/27/2012 2:23:30 PM

public transportation is the first step to more serial-killing bums in our suburbs.

11/27/2012 2:25:00 PM

Well yes, obviously there will be no bus stops in Dix Estates, and tall fences will be required for the first few years.

11/27/2012 2:33:47 PM

Somewhat unrelated ...

RTP master plan was updated 2 weeks ago. They are planning a "kit creek center" which is around the Cisco/NetApp area of RTP.

I was disappointed that surrounding all the new tech/research focused areas, there was no inclusion of residential mixed into the direct project.

11/27/2012 3:01:50 PM

Residential in RTP would just attract riff-raff from Durham. Example: Brier Creek.

11/27/2012 3:07:24 PM

go away

11/27/2012 3:16:12 PM

Okay. Why do you think they don't allow residential development in RTP?

Furthermore, why is RTP a resounding success and yet downtown needs to be "revitalized"?

[Edited on November 27, 2012 at 3:47 PM. Reason : .]

11/27/2012 3:45:41 PM

The new master plan for RTP does allow and encourage residential development; in fact it's a key component of it. robster is referring to one specific proposed development that does not have a residential component (why I'm not sure).

Right now it is downtown Raleigh that is the success and RTP that needs the revitalization, hence this very ambitious new master plan. Places aren't static. Downtown Raleigh was a great place and WAS more or less what Raleigh was for a time, then it declined when suburban sprawl happened all over America for a variety of reasons, and now it's back. RTP is hoping to stave off a decline of its own by adapting to a changing environment and values.

[Edited on November 27, 2012 at 3:52 PM. Reason : .]

11/27/2012 3:47:39 PM

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"The park is an unincorporated area, and state law prohibits municipalities from annexing areas within the park."

So basically you'll have a city with no city government. How's that going to work?

RTP was created to cater to every whim of big business. It was built in the middle of nowhere because they knew no big company would want to build anywhere near downtown. Big business doesn't need apartments.

[Edited on November 27, 2012 at 3:54 PM. Reason : .]

11/27/2012 3:50:40 PM

The same way it does in the hundreds of other unincorporated places in NC?

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"RTP was created to cater to every whim of big business. It was built in the middle of nowhere because they knew no big company would want to build anywhere near downtown. Big business doesn't need apartments. "

RTP was created because tech companies needed sprawling campuses (many don't anymore), built at the very height of sprawl development at a time when very few recognized the negative outcomes of single use sprawl development. Big business doesn't need apartments? In what world? A world where they don't have employees? Most tech companies will tell you that they are finding that their employees, particularly the younger ones, are desiring more and more to work in a place where they can commute without a car and have restaurants, bars, retail, etc within each reach. For examples of this you don't have to look any further than Red Hat and Citrix moving downtown.

[Edited on November 27, 2012 at 4:00 PM. Reason : .]

11/27/2012 3:53:09 PM

Posses with shotguns?

11/27/2012 3:56:03 PM

so, county government?

11/27/2012 3:56:54 PM

here is the part he didn't paste:

some local government functions are served by the Durham-Wake Counties Research and Production Service District, a special tax district created in 1986[4][5] that is conterminous with the park, wherein the property tax rate is limited to 10 cents per $100 valuation.[6] The park has special zoning as a Research Applications District in the Wake County portion, and a Scientific Research Park in the Durham County portion. As of October 2012, both zoning areas are in the process of being revised to allow higher density development.[7] The zoning changes are coupled with legislative changes allowing for Urban Research Service Districts (URSD) within the Park, which can include a mix of retail and residential usages.[8] These newly permitted URSDs could levy taxes at the same rate as a neighboring city.[9]

11/27/2012 3:59:29 PM

Taxation without representation.

Why are you defending RTP? RTP is evidence that Raleigh is too run down and unsafe to attract big corporations, unless they stay at least five miles away from the trashy downtown and are given special tax incentives. And that's the way it will stay unless you bulldoze Raleigh, arrest everyone and start over.

[Edited on November 27, 2012 at 4:04 PM. Reason : The Chinese are experts at bulldozing, which is why they are a success.]

11/27/2012 4:03:12 PM

11/27/2012 4:04:33 PM

^

11/27/2012 4:06:59 PM

i just don't get the thrill that some weirdos seem to get from random negative trolling.

11/27/2012 4:07:29 PM

i've never seen him not do it, its every post of his

11/27/2012 4:08:04 PM

yeah, i've noticed him. i just don't understand it. I guess it compensates for unhappiness in real life, or something?

11/27/2012 4:09:41 PM

Nonsense, we finally have a conversation going instead of just jerking each other off about the lastest microbrewery to open in town.

Quote :

"Most tech companies will tell you that they are finding that their employees, particularly the younger ones, are desiring more and more to work in a place where they can commute without a car and have restaurants, bars, retail, etc within each reach."

How long do you think this trend will last? Or rather, how much longer do you think companies will care what their employees want? Historically the role of the company is to give you a job and the role of the employee is to sit their ass in rush hour traffic and like it or else. Let's face it, companies can only afford to build in hip, trendy downtown areas when their workforce is all white collar, selling overpriced products built in sweatshops overseas. That will all change in the future.

In fact, the South is transitioning into becoming sweatshops. And sweatshop workers don't visit coffee shops and microbreweries.

[Edited on November 27, 2012 at 4:12 PM. Reason : .]

11/27/2012 4:09:53 PM

Quote :

"How long do you think this trend will last? Or rather, how much longer do you think companies will care what their employees want? Historically the role of the company is to give you a job and the role of the employee is to sit their ass in rush hour traffic and like it or else. Let's face it, companies can only afford to build in hip, trendy downtown areas when their workforce is all white collar, selling overpriced products built in sweatshops overseas. That will all change in the future. In fact, the South is transitioning into becoming sweatshops. And sweatshop workers don't visit coffee shops and microbreweries."

Ain't nobody working in a sweatshop going to be sitting in rush hour traffic because they won't have a car. Companies will have to build where employees can walk or ride a bike, or build on-site housing a la China. You've got me real excited for your vision of the future, smc. Hopefully the cul-de-sacs you love so much will survive!

11/27/2012 4:20:52 PM

Sometimes it's on-site housing, sometimes they ship the masses in on bullet trains every day from filthy villages miles away. At least they make the bums disappear though.

11/27/2012 4:25:04 PM

Is this dude for serious? Is there sufficient cause to ban him?

11/28/2012 2:01:45 AM

He's just being a troll in the Lounge. I'm sure a mod would ban him from the Lounge if anyone cared to report him. I'm just enjoying watching everyone feed into him

11/28/2012 8:21:17 AM

he is a constant lounge troll yet for some reason is still around.

11/28/2012 8:32:37 AM

Downtown Raleigh needs a sports arena...downtown. We should make that happen.

11/28/2012 8:56:38 AM

go away, i don't want you in my revitalization thread

11/28/2012 9:04:35 AM

Raleigh had the chance to buy the Durham Bulls a few years back and turn them into a major league team in a downtown arena, but Durham outbid them because they know how hot baseball is in America right now. How awesome would that have been though? I guess we can still get a minor league team here though if we clear enough space.

We could still build back the original ballpark. Hipsters love historical sites, right? http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/03/24/1958013/once-home-to-raleigh-ballpark.html



[Edited on November 28, 2012 at 9:29 AM. Reason : .]

11/28/2012 9:25:09 AM

This has come up before and I recall people saying that the Bulls have market exclusivity for a certain radius, which is why the Mudcats are in Zebulon, but I don't know if that's true or not, and if it is how much of an obstacle it would really be.

I suspect that long-term the most likely thing could be an MLS stadium. That seems to be the trend these days and I know the league was recently visiting Raleigh about a future team.

11/28/2012 10:00:52 AM

RBC center was supposed to be downtown, but they couldn't get enough votes back in the 80's. Such a shame; all the die-hard sports fans living downtown could have walked from their studio apartments to the arena, maybe even stopping for a Grande Mocha Frappuccino on the way while they painted their bare chests.

I don't know if new-fangled game like soccer would work. It's certainly not popular like baseball. How about we build the world's first indoor disc golf arena?


It would be so simple; just put a roof over Carolina Country Club and add some of those frisbee trash cans.

[Edited on November 28, 2012 at 10:17 AM. Reason : .]

11/28/2012 10:14:53 AM

that's a fantastic idea, I'll bring it up at my next city improvement committee meeting

11/28/2012 10:24:49 AM

Cool, thanks.

11/28/2012 10:39:39 AM

having fun, smc?

11/28/2012 10:45:08 AM

What a colossal tool.

11/28/2012 10:53:39 AM

Adam smc, you're better than this, stop.

I get that some times you want to make a point and ever since you posted that microwaved cat you've been real bitter about anyone who has a good time on tww. I also get that life has dealt you a pretty raw hand, didn't end up like you thought it would once you left high school and that you, and this is just me hoping your trolling has a point, want people to consider what matters in life rather than trendy shit. Then again, maybe all the twists and turns have transformed you into a scrooge of sorts rather than the simple, easy going guy from Harnett county you used to be.

Either way, could you just drop the facade and post something contributory or don't post at all?

[Edited on November 30, 2012 at 9:32 AM. Reason : dots]

11/30/2012 9:30:20 AM

Huge news! A Raleigh coffee shop is selling locally-sourced Twinkies.
http://www.newraleigh.com/loc/helios-coffee/

11/30/2012 10:15:56 AM

Whats up with all the puffery regarding baseball? I was under the impression that it was dropping severely off in popularity these days. Even competitive video gaming has more live viewers than MLB. I don't disagree that Raleigh needs more stuff downtown, but baseball isn't high on my list.

Oh right. Its smc. Disregard my comments and resume.

[Edited on November 30, 2012 at 10:29 AM. Reason : ]

11/30/2012 10:28:33 AM

It wasn't my idea. Raleigh was in negotiations to spend millions to acquire the Durham Bulls very recently. Makes sense, right?

Nor was the idea of opposing the Dix Park.
http://www.wral.com/conservative-group-gins-up-opposition-to-dix-sale-across-nc/11827057/
It seems that Raleigh residents are so isolated that they're completely oblivious to the rest of the state. Dix is state-owned land. Giving it to the city for a dog park is essentially stealing money from every resident of NC that doesn't live within five miles of the property.

No matter though, there's a new chocolate shoppe in town!
http://www.newraleigh.com/articles/archive/videri-chocolate-factory-opening-next-week-in-the-warehouse-district

[Edited on November 30, 2012 at 10:38 AM. Reason : .]

11/30/2012 10:32:22 AM

Raleigh needs to take notes from Coats, or Erwin.

11/30/2012 10:34:33 AM

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"Even competitive video gaming has more live viewers than MLB."

Is that true? What's a big gaming league?

Are there any video gaming establishments in raleigh now?

[Edited on November 30, 2012 at 11:02 AM. Reason : .]

11/30/2012 10:51:23 AM

videri has been open for awhile now, its not new

11/30/2012 11:28:52 AM

And they have crappy hours lol. Every time I've tried to go there they've been closed

11/30/2012 11:49:53 AM

^^^ no, it's not true

11/30/2012 12:41:17 PM

http://www.wral.com/conservative-group-gins-up-opposition-to-dix-sale-across-nc/11827057/

11/30/2012 1:39:08 PM

they should house state offices there in the existing buildings... instead of agencies having to pay rent at privately owned facilities. (or at least price it out to see if it would in fact be cheaper to do vs rent)

11/30/2012 2:14:07 PM

My understanding is the problem with doing that is those buildings aren't to code and have problems with asbestos and the like so the renovation costs would outstrip any savings from not renting.

11/30/2012 2:22:38 PM

there are all kinds of environmental issues out there; asbestos, PCB's, a landfill, a site of a former chemical spill, etc...

11/30/2012 2:40:26 PM

Quote :

"and this is just me hoping your trolling has a point, want people to consider what matters in life rather than trendy shit."

If so, then I'd say he is off the mark. Many of the things he is railing against in this thread are quite the opposite of trendy; they are traditional ideas and values that have existed for centuries in this country and around the world. On the other hand many of the modern suburban values that he constantly uplifts are the very definition of trendy.

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"It seems that Raleigh residents are so isolated that they're completely oblivious to the rest of the state. Dix is state-owned land. Giving it to the city for a dog park is essentially stealing money from every resident of NC that doesn't live within five miles of the property."

The state will not be giving anything to the city. It will be leased or sold outright. I also get the feeling that you've never actually been to a park before.

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"http://www.wral.com/conservative-group-gins-up-opposition-to-dix-sale-across-nc/11827057/"

This is embarrassing politics at its best. McCrory was an advisor to the Dix campaign until he was elected governor and now suddenly he's against it, purely because the Republicans don't want it to be a "win" for Perdue. The fact that even PARKS are being politicized now is absurd. Besides, what espouses traditional conservatives values more than a good old fashioned park?

11/30/2012 3:28:20 PM