Quote :

"My guess is that Trump will pull more Democrats in the general election than any GOP contender since Reagan."

That's an awful lots of HURs you're counting on there, pal.

3/16/2016 9:23:39 PM

Quote :

"this isn't bush or McCain. the current version of trump is a violence enabling fuckin lunatic. so like I said, unless he reels it in hard, im voting to stop a race war"

The fact that you're even entertaining the idea of voting for that dude at this point is sad as fuck.

Quote :

"My guess is that Trump will pull more Democrats in the general election than any GOP contender since Reagan."

My guess is you're dumb, and this the most wild example of wishful thinking I've seen here in a long time. Master of the media, sure, but he can't pivot as hard as you're selling here.

3/16/2016 11:52:12 PM

learn to read ya grumpy old fuck

goddamn y'all are assholes. i remember why I stopped posting now

[Edited on March 17, 2016 at 12:29 AM. Reason : .]

3/17/2016 12:27:58 AM

Money isn't fair! College should be free! Illegal aliens should get free college! Did you know they can just print off money? It's like monopoly money! Everyone should get free shit!

3/18/2016 1:46:19 AM

Taxes on Wall Street = YUGE!

Minimium Wage Increase = YUGE!

Number of Colleges offering free tuition = YUGE!

3/18/2016 1:51:05 AM

Do you live in NC? Do you know what the State constitution says about higher education?

3/18/2016 8:48:37 AM

In a socialist society, states don't matter.

Actually, since the 17th Amendment was ratified, states haven't mattered.

The federal government is gonna be YUGE!

3/18/2016 5:02:24 PM

wat

3/18/2016 7:55:06 PM

ok seriously why are people so divorced from reality when it comes to sanders?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/sanders-currently-winning-democratic-primary-race-ill-prove-to-you_b_9528076.html

i mean seriously. there is an excuse for everything.

the south doesn't matter
there was voter suppression of college kids in North Carolina
Arizona had voter fraud
fishy stuff happened in caucauses
Minorities can't think for themselves and should know better
Early voting skews reality because more people vote for Bernie on election day (as if early votes should only be 3/5ths a vote or something)

the list goes on and on.

unless Bernie wins a state, there is always an excuse. there is always a #wellactually

[Edited on March 24, 2016 at 2:21 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2016 2:06:28 PM

Have any of you anti-free/cheaper education fans read the NC constitution yet?

3/24/2016 2:22:00 PM

^^
*Arizona had election fraud. Or negligence. 2/3 of voters given provisional ballots which haven't been counted? Idc if you support HRC or Sanders, that should concern you. Similar problems to a lesser degree happened in other states. People are claiming conspiracy because all of these issues have overwhelmingly benefitted HRC. I'm not making accusations, but there's clearly a problem, intentional or not.

3/24/2016 2:30:56 PM

do you have an actual link to support that 2/3rds claim?

i get that the lines were too long in arizona and whatnot, but the whole provisional ballot thing reeks of bernie supporters not knowing the rules in arizona - that they had to be registered democrat to vote in the democratic primary.

i get that that wasn't the only thing going on there. but when you have the history of what gets said every time he loses, it's like crying wolf at this point.

[Edited on March 24, 2016 at 4:24 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2016 4:16:19 PM

Bernie also needs to win more decisively, it sucks if some of his supporters had a hard time voting, but the margin isn't big enough to matter that much.

It's like if Trump complains about not being picked if it goes to a brokered convention... 65% of GOPers aren't voting for him, so he can't be too mad to not be the nominee.

3/24/2016 4:31:46 PM

^

exactly. i'm hearing a lot of ridiculousness like Bernie really won AZ, when it's just not true.

3/24/2016 4:42:40 PM

^^^
2/3 according to a poll worker:

http://usuncut.com/politics/100k-signatures/

And here is another source and some math:

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4bswe5/white_house_to_respond_to_petition_alleging_voter/d1c6u1f

^
We won't know until all of the votes are counted, which is sometime before April 4 according to the Secretary of State. I've seen some convincing arguments for a large delegate swing, probably not a win.

3/24/2016 4:59:14 PM

As for it being user error, there are many accounts showing otherwise. Here's one person who had her card copied and replaced, with the exact same signature as before:

https://vid.me/KKWP

Many more accounts here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4blrjm/voter_suppression_thread_if_you_were_unable_to/

[Edited on March 24, 2016 at 5:11 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2016 5:03:20 PM

those 'testimonies' could easily be made up. at this point, Sanders supporters are so desperate, i wouldn't put lying/exaggerating past some of them.

that subreddit is full of bullshit and i wouldn't trust anything i read in it at this point.

3/24/2016 5:22:15 PM

lol really? I gave you video proof. The mayor of Phoenix reached out to the DoJ for an investigation. Multiple news articles have been written. I though Bernie bros were the conspiracy theorists.

And it makes perfect sense to you that early voting went up 32% since 2008, but in person went down 71%?

3/24/2016 5:37:40 PM

^ that video doesn't 'prove' shit. looks like there was a computer glitch, the other woman was helpful, and her vote will count. how is this HRC's fault?

[Edited on March 24, 2016 at 6:03 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2016 6:03:07 PM

again, nowhere did I blame Clinton. i said something is wrong, intentional or not.

the fact is a massive number of ballots were provisional and shouldn't have been. Her vote has not been counted, nor have any of the other provisional votes. the deadline is Apr 4 for AZ to count them.

[Edited on March 24, 2016 at 6:11 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2016 6:10:44 PM

no, I get that. YOU aren't saying Hillary is responsible, but a ton of Sanders supporters are. Obviously something happened in AZ and people had issues voting. I just have a huge problem with the conspiracy theories flying around and the only person I'm hearing blamed is HRC.

3/24/2016 6:15:53 PM

I messed around with Mariposa's numbers and a tie or slight win is definitely possible with provisionals counted, assuming they were around 2/3 of votes cast.

3/24/2016 6:33:46 PM

Quote :

" http://usuncut.com/politics/100k-signatures/ And here is another source and some math: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4bswe5/white_house_to_respond_to_petition_alleging_voter/d1c6u1f"

those were the exact two source links I expected to see. a reddit thread and a "one poll worker" claim. neither of those are legitimate news sources.

and then you take the word of one person at one polling place and extrapolate it out to give bernie 75,000 more (essentially a 50% increase in his tally) votes than Hillary gets - so now he magically wins. do you not see how crazy that is?

and even IF that were to somehow work itself out, if bernie got all these provisional votes and turned an 18 point loss in to a "slight win" it STILL doesn't really matter in the national landscape of the election.

also, it's AMAZING that all of these issues ONLY seem to happen in states Bernie loses. all the ones he wins? EVERYTHING WENT BETTER THAN EXPECTED

Like I said, it's crying wolf

[Edited on March 25, 2016 at 10:17 AM. Reason : .]

3/25/2016 9:51:36 AM

Its not a conspiracy theory when the same two parties win 100% of the media and educational exposure and then all of the elections. Its a literal conspiracy and yes. Bernie sanders supporters are desperate for democracy. Desperate for an end to oligarchy which is also a reality and not a theory.

3/25/2016 11:31:08 AM

^^
The 2/3 number still results in far less in person numbers proportional to earl votes than in 2008

I could explain more but it's not worth the time. We'll see what happens before the April 4 deadline. Prob nothing like in Illinois.

[Edited on March 25, 2016 at 12:11 PM. Reason : .]

3/25/2016 11:42:27 AM

goddamn I can't type on my phone. *early votes

3/25/2016 12:12:45 PM

Quote :

"Its not a conspiracy theory when the same two parties win 100% of the media and educational exposure and then all of the elections. Its a literal conspiracy and yes. Bernie sanders supporters are desperate for democracy. Desperate for an end to oligarchy which is also a reality and not a theory."

No, the media is not 100% pro-Clinton. Not sure where you've gotten this idea from at all. In fact, they've done a pretty awesome job dragging her name through the mud and putting her under a microscope- deserved or not. Sanders has gotten plenty of attention from the mainstream media, and when he won Michigan, people in this very thread were bragging about how it was a YUGE upset and that even the mainstream media was making a big deal out of it.

Posts like these are the typical bullshit that shows up on reddit or Facebook. Bernie Babies at their worst.

[Edited on March 25, 2016 at 1:29 PM. Reason : .]

3/25/2016 1:28:57 PM

why does what the proportion in 2008 matter? maybe more people decided to do early voting in Arizona specifically because of the reduced number of polling places?

i mean occam's razor is a thing, right? maybe the simple answer is the right answer. maybe bernie did better than polling suggested but still just lost.

3/25/2016 1:43:18 PM

it matters because it's not even remotely close. I'm putting all the information I have together and concluding that the final tally will be much closer after provisional ballots are counted. I could be wrong, but I'm not wrong to ask questions and speculate.

3/25/2016 2:05:47 PM

in 2008, election day votes were 80% of early votes

in 2016, 17%

that's fucking huge

[Edited on March 25, 2016 at 2:16 PM. Reason : .]

3/25/2016 2:15:45 PM

*YUGE

3/25/2016 2:34:11 PM

3/26/2016 12:07:31 AM

K

3/26/2016 12:49:43 AM

most of his ideas are "for the birds" so this checks out

3/26/2016 12:00:55 PM

Crushed Clinton in Washington and Alaska. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't do well here in Hawaii as well. I've seen a lot of people out and about campaigning for him and virtually no Clinton presence here. Obama has a lot of influence here so she could do well.

3/26/2016 8:11:57 PM

the Pacific Northwest doesn't matter

(did I do that right?)

3/26/2016 11:18:57 PM

Hawaii is one of the most diverse places in America, so I will be pretty surprised if Clinton loses there. Not surprised about AK/WA. People claim Seattle is diverse, but they're full of shit. It's white, gay, and Asian- kinda like SF.

3/27/2016 12:49:36 AM

^works for the clinton campaign

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/us/most-diverse-place-in-america/

3/27/2016 1:51:11 AM

three whole census tracks in Alaska's most populous city =/= the state of Alaska being a diverse state.

3/27/2016 2:04:23 AM

^^^
gnight

3/27/2016 4:18:56 AM

Hawaii is racially diverse, but it's so leftist that Che Guevara would have to run as a Republican here. Hawaii (big island) where I live is a split between rich retirees on the Kona side and poor locals over here in Hilo. Maui is almost entirely hippies, surfers, locals, and a small pocket of retirees. Oahu is diverse and a mixed bag, but again super liberal as a whole. The folks who would be inclined to vote Clinton might not even have come out for the caucus.

Like I said, I've seen a lot of Bernie people holding banners, waving signs, handing out pamphlets, etc here I've see almost nothing pro Clinton. Her best bet would have been strong Obama endorsement. His name carries weight here like it does in Chicago.

3/27/2016 9:32:09 AM

Whelp, I was totally wrong. Should've remembered how few blacks/latinos live out there.

3/27/2016 11:12:05 AM

enough with the racist bullshit. just admit hillary is extremely weak out of the bible belt

3/27/2016 11:48:24 AM

TIL these are bible belt states:
Iowa
Nevada
Massachusetts
Illinois
Ohio
Arizona

[Edited on March 28, 2016 at 9:14 AM. Reason : .]

3/28/2016 9:13:26 AM

ohio is definitely bible belt, at least southern or rural ohio is

also, except for arizona those states were all very close

3/28/2016 9:41:06 AM

lol ok

and close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and tactical thermonuclear weapons.

[Edited on March 28, 2016 at 10:21 AM. Reason : .]

3/28/2016 10:19:02 AM

well if you are trying to counter a claim of "extremely week", then you need more than examples of results that were basically tie. Arizona is the only state that's relevant as a rebuttal

[Edited on March 28, 2016 at 11:14 AM. Reason : .]

3/28/2016 11:13:12 AM

Arizona won't be either if the ACLU gets its way

3/28/2016 11:17:26 AM

Wait I thought Hillary was going to be sent to prison for compromising national security? Did I miss something?

3/28/2016 11:34:38 AM

yeah everything outside of the south/bible belt has either been close or a bernie landslide. that trend continues to continue.

If hillary wins, it will only be because her margin of victory was so large in those bible belt states. Regardless of how strong she is there relative to bernie, most of those states are republican locks which explains why trump is the only republican she can actually beat.

3/28/2016 12:48:07 PM