a widely believed FACT

3/13/2013 3:08:01 PM

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"dependency is worse. On average it takes not smoking for 16 years to physically break "

The physical addiction to nicotine is broken within a couple of days. The psychological addiction is the tough part.

3/13/2013 3:10:58 PM

Yeah thats actually what I meant

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3/13/2013 3:13:53 PM

No idea where that 16 year figure comes from.

3/13/2013 3:15:18 PM

Its some random stat I think heard someone say on talk radio sometime that I'm throwing around as though its an obvious fact. Keep up.

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3/13/2013 3:17:48 PM

a nicotine addiction may have comparable qualities to heroin addiction, but to compare cigarettes to heroin is asinine. like, just absurd.

one is as high of a functioning drug as you can imagine and you cannot overdose on it, and one is the exact opposite.

3/13/2013 3:52:05 PM

I literally can't believe that people don't know that nicotine is more addictive than heroin. Look up the definition of the word addiction. It has nothing to do with side effects, withdrawl or how well you can function on the drug.

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3/13/2013 3:54:29 PM

People act like chocoholism isn't a disability.

3/13/2013 3:55:28 PM

^

[Edited on March 13, 2013 at 3:58 PM. Reason : ^ that's better than what i wrote.]

3/13/2013 3:56:58 PM

Given sample size I know a higher % of heroin quitters than I do smokers (and that includes weed).

All I'm saying is that rehab for smoking would take 16 years.

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3/13/2013 3:59:04 PM

I've heard rageahol and workahol are difficult addictions to quit.

3/13/2013 4:02:52 PM

Quote :

"I literally can't believe that people don't know that nicotine is more addictive than heroin. Look up the definition of the word addiction. It has nothing to do with side effects, withdrawl or how well you can function on the drug. "

psychologically, you might be able to argue that a nicotine addiction is similar to a heroin addiction, since mental addictions pretty much all work the same way. but you aren't even saying that. you're saying it's WORSE. which is total horseshit and you have absolutely zero way of proving it. the only people who are dumb enough to believe in this myth are heavy smokers who are in denial and want to give themselves an excuse to keep smoking.

3/13/2013 4:14:41 PM

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"It has nothing to do with side effects, withdrawl or how well you can function on the drug."

i didn't look up the defnition, but how does withdrawal have nothing to do with addiction? You go through withdrawal because your body is addicted to the drug and it's not getting it. With heroine, your body becomes violently ill without the drug. With nicotine, you become agitated.

[Edited on March 13, 2013 at 4:17 PM. Reason : ]

3/13/2013 4:16:56 PM

i smoked like a chimney when i was in high school til i turned 18 & then it lost its appeal

quit cold turkey w/o a prob

you guys jealous?

3/13/2013 4:17:37 PM

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"compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal"

Addiction can only be measured quantitatively not qualitatively.


^^The severity of withdrawal does not matter.

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[Edited on March 13, 2013 at 4:20 PM. Reason : ]

3/13/2013 4:19:14 PM

heroine= female hero
heroin= drug that's safer than cancer sticks

get it right, Bullet!

3/13/2013 4:19:36 PM

^my bad

Quote :

"characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal"

so again, how does addiction have nothing to do with withdrawal, like you earlier stated?

3/13/2013 4:20:54 PM

Okay i meant the severity but that has been my only argument the whole time.

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3/13/2013 4:22:02 PM

the well defined physiological symptoms of withdrawal are pretty freaking severe with heroin

3/13/2013 4:25:13 PM

well your argument is dumb and has no basis in reality

3/13/2013 4:26:25 PM

also...you should try working for a junkie...

they're pretty difficult to tolerate

3/13/2013 4:27:30 PM

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"the well defined physiological symptoms of withdrawal are pretty freaking severe with heroin"

Like can you guys not read. It says 'defined'. It says nothing about 'severity'.

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3/13/2013 4:31:42 PM

are you retarded?

3/13/2013 4:32:26 PM

do you smoke?

3/13/2013 4:33:51 PM

Can you read? I know that you aren't reading, but seriously can you read?

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3/13/2013 4:34:04 PM

you're not good at this, still.

3/13/2013 4:34:52 PM

well-defined means OBVIOUS

as in: heroin withdrawal has OBVIOUS physical symptoms

3/13/2013 4:35:49 PM

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/info/addiction/

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"According to Medilexicon's medical dictionary: Addiction is Habitual psychological or physiologic dependence on a substance or practice that is beyond voluntary control. Withdrawal has many meanings, one of which is A psychological and/or physical syndrome caused by the abrupt cessation of the use of a drug in an habituated person."

Show me some more graphs without any sources that was awesome.

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3/13/2013 4:37:54 PM

are you high on heroin right now?

3/13/2013 4:41:30 PM

All I know is what I said is explicitly stated in 2 separate dictionaries.

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3/13/2013 4:43:35 PM

you can repeat it all you want. from other dictionaries even.

you still don't understand the difference between a physical and psychological addiction, or how tolerance works.

3/13/2013 4:47:20 PM

...and my original argument was from a higher level than that. Cigarettes were just an example.

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3/13/2013 4:48:36 PM

i really don't think you were 'arguing' anything other than your misguided belief that heroin is less addictive than nicotine, which several people in this thread (let alone the medical community) disagree with.

if that's your 'argument', i strongly suggest you learn the difference between a physical dependency (addiction) and a mental obsession (addiction). They are similar and closely related, yet also very, very different.

[Edited on March 13, 2013 at 4:54 PM. Reason : .]

3/13/2013 4:53:45 PM

fuck I think this dude literally can't read

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3/13/2013 4:56:36 PM

^^EXACTLY!


saying "I'm addicted to shooting up smack" is one thing, saying, "I'm addicted to my Tony" is quite another...

both equally frightening...but WAY different




[Edited on March 13, 2013 at 4:58 PM. Reason : ^not you...you suck]

3/13/2013 4:57:47 PM

What the fuck am I reading. Cigarettes > Heroin is not my argument. It is an example. Either way I am right on both accounts.

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3/13/2013 5:02:14 PM

An example of what?

3/13/2013 5:03:18 PM

I'm done. Read the whole discussion before you join.

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3/13/2013 5:05:02 PM

you lost

3/13/2013 5:05:18 PM

fucking double post

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3/13/2013 5:08:59 PM

http://addictions.knoji.com/top-ten-most-addictive-substances/

http://www.michaelshouse.com/drug-addiction/most-addictive-drugs-world/

http://blog.thegooddrugsguide.com/2311/the-6-most-addictive-substances-on-earth/

http://drugs.blurtit.com/q3150977.html




My whole argument is based around the fact that it easier to quit heroin than nicotine speaking purely in numbers. If you don't know your personality and how you interact with addictive things then you're fucked- but if you do then it is not really unreasonable to quit heroin assuming you don't inject. It has nothing to do with how severe it is. That just reflects how much of a bitch you are

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[Edited on March 13, 2013 at 5:12 PM. Reason : ]

3/13/2013 5:08:59 PM

haha

Says:

Quote :

"Show me some more graphs without any sources that was awesome."

After someone posts a graph sourced to the lanset

Then links to a bunch of articles which don't source data and all the highest voted comments are questioning/denouncing the accuracy of it.

3/13/2013 5:16:02 PM

Gunzz posted the primary ones earlier but you obviously scrolled passed them so I'd thought I'd go with your reading level

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[Edited on March 13, 2013 at 5:18 PM. Reason : again read the thread before you raise your voice.]

3/13/2013 5:17:14 PM

No, I've read this whole thing. gunzz linked to a bunch of white papers related to Nicotine addiction.

UJustWait84 linked to a wiki file containing a graph, which drew criticism for using wiki as a source.

So how would anyone know you were referring to the white papers, not the graph, when you said "more graphs without any sources."

You keep trying to argue with people for not reading. More likely you're having difficulty communicating your point.

[Edited on March 13, 2013 at 5:29 PM. Reason : ]

3/13/2013 5:24:17 PM

Quote :

"After someone posts a graph sourced to the lanset Then links to a bunch of articles which don't source data and all the highest voted comments are questioning/denouncing the accuracy of it."

If you want your doctors going to the Lancet for medical information, then have at it you sheep

I only go to doctors who cite michaelshouse & blurtit as their go to sources of breaking news in the medicinal field

[Edited on March 13, 2013 at 5:28 PM. Reason : a]

3/13/2013 5:28:39 PM

Re: nicotine vs heroin

I think nicotine could be worse gram for gram. Nicotine is pretty gnarly shit... It's just that a Camel has a lot less nicotine than the amount of opiate in an OxyContin pill or a syringe full of smack.

3/13/2013 5:44:38 PM

So in the hierarchy of prescription pills, OxyContin is the worst?

3/13/2013 6:13:46 PM

Probably for opiates. Adderal is no joke either.

3/17/2013 12:13:27 AM

Must still be incarcerated. Hasn't accepted friend request

3/17/2013 6:48:51 PM

Looks like she won't be logging onto Tdubb for awhile.....

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