More states should wise the fuck up and build some damn casinos. Shit is fun and who gives a fuck if it makes the baby jesus cry?

3/24/2007 2:11:27 PM

heeeee hawwwww

PokerStars Game #9067193393: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/03/24 - 15:40:02 (ET)
Table 'Arrakis IV' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: ewqwqe ($100 in chips)
Seat 2: lummox1337 ($78 in chips)
Seat 3: DrBallgame42 ($139.10 in chips)
Seat 4: The Hish 24 ($76.65 in chips)
Seat 5: Ratte1966 ($67 in chips)
Seat 6: Coox ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 7: eaglesfaan1 ($104.95 in chips)
Seat 8: Scurvydog00 ($20 in chips)
DrBallgame42: posts small blind $0.50
The Hish 24: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Hish 24 [9h Qd]
Ratte1966: folds
Coox: folds
eaglesfaan1: folds
Scurvydog00: folds
ewqwqe: raises $2 to $3
lummox1337: folds
DrBallgame42: folds
The Hish 24: raises $6 to $9
ewqwqe: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [7c 2s 3h]
The Hish 24: bets $14
ewqwqe: calls $14
*** TURN *** [7c 2s 3h] [9c]
The Hish 24: checks
ewqwqe: checks
*** RIVER *** [7c 2s 3h 9c] [9d]
The Hish 24: bets $35
ewqwqe: calls $35
*** SHOW DOWN ***
The Hish 24: shows [9h Qd] (three of a kind, Nines)
ewqwqe: mucks hand
The Hish 24 collected $113.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $116.50 | Rake $3
Board [7c 2s 3h 9c 9d]
Seat 1: ewqwqe mucked [Jh Jd]
Seat 2: lummox1337 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: DrBallgame42 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: The Hish 24 (big blind) showed [9h Qd] and won ($113.50) with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 5: Ratte1966 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Coox folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: eaglesfaan1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Scurvydog00 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

3/24/2007 2:42:00 PM

yeah of course video poker and slots are boring

but they're a big draw, especially at a 98% payout and all that bullshit. factor in the fact that the 98% gets put right back in and they're big time moneymakers. and people buy drinks and stuff. its like selling a cheap pizza and hoping someone adds a topping for 2 bucks!!11

plus you dont have to pay dealers and you are only limited by space. these 9/6 bitches are making good money in test markets right now. plus in a lot of places you really cant have much besides video poker with a jpg video ho asking which cards you wanna hold.

but we also have a project in the works, a 6 player max table with an "computerized" dealer. think partypoker 6man in a real casino. chairs and all, with the old school pacman style sit down display. networked video texas holdem. should be badass if it pans out. our version will be in testing in various indian reservations across the lovely deserts of the US around summer 07

3/24/2007 3:14:33 PM

People dont buy drinks

Would they put the computerized 6max tables out on the floor? I can't imagine how terrible the play would be there if they spread .25/.50NL or something.

3/24/2007 3:48:26 PM

what do you guys think about that? i've heard it before, i mean you would definetly get more hands per hour and a better rake, but i just like the feel of real cards

3/24/2007 3:54:28 PM

I can't imagine it would be any more profitable than playing online, and not as much fun as playing the normal way

3/24/2007 4:03:39 PM

how do you keep random bystanders from seeing everyones hole cards?

3/24/2007 6:06:21 PM

Quote :

"PearlJammer 3/21/2007 UltimateBet $109 1st $4,239 125.30 PearlJammer 3/21/2007 Bodog $109 3rd $1,416 56.43 PearlJammer 3/20/2007 UltimateBet $215 6th $1,752 58.32 PearlJammer 3/20/2007 PokerStars $109 7th $3,066 92.08 PearlJammer 3/19/2007 UltimateBet $33 2nd $2,904 88.88 PearlJammer 3/19/2007 FullTiltPoker $1060 8th $5,472 128.11 PearlJammer 3/17/2007 UltimateBet $129 6th $1,650 59.11 PearlJammer 3/17/2007 FullTiltPoker $109 5th $3,250 85.13 PearlJammer 3/14/2007 PokerStars $11 14th $369 51.78 PearlJammer 3/14/2007 FullTiltPoker $75 1st $6,417 160.16 PearlJammer 3/12/2007 FullTiltPoker $33 9th $558 44.68 PearlJammer 3/11/2007 Bodog $109 4th $960 47.68 PearlJammer 3/11/2007 PokerStars $55 2nd $6,294 152.17 PearlJammer 3/10/2007 UltimateBet $129 9th $750 46.35 PearlJammer 3/10/2007 PokerStars $55 1st $4,850 139.28 PearlJammer 3/4/2007 PokerStars $215 1st $7,992 172.05 PearlJammer 2/28/2007 PokerStars $22 10th $531 55.17 PearlJammer 2/28/2007 FullTiltPoker $33 5th $1,502 54.80 PearlJammer 2/28/2007 FullTiltPoker $26 2nd $2,721 99.98 PearlJammer 2/26/2007 FullTiltPoker $1060 1st $44,820 407.43 PearlJammer 2/25/2007 UltimateBet $530 2nd $9,840 163.61 PearlJammer 2/25/2007 PokerStars $215 27th $1,004 65.39 PearlJammer 2/18/2007 PokerStars $215 37th $759 53.35 PearlJammer 2/18/2007 PokerStars $55 6th $1,289 57.76 PearlJammer 2/13/2007 FullTiltPoker $163 3rd $6,264 118.17 PearlJammer 2/12/2007 FullTiltPoker $163 1st $14,550 241.22 PearlJammer 2/11/2007 PokerStars $22 9th $798 57.96 PearlJammer 2/11/2007 FullTiltPoker $163 9th $1,098 62.69 PearlJammer 2/11/2007 PokerStars $215 42nd $767 49.69 PearlJammer 2/11/2007 FullTiltPoker $322 10th $8,265 228.33 PearlJammer 2/11/2007 Bodog $109 14th $1,000 64.91 PearlJammer 2/9/2007 UltimateBet $33 1st $4,658 131.34 PearlJammer 2/4/2007 PokerStars $215 13th $1,063 86.80 "

Damn, Turner has been on fire since the start of Feb.

3/25/2007 9:01:14 PM

Damn, plus what he made up in ac.

3/25/2007 10:13:45 PM

What did he cash there? Like $76k?

3/25/2007 10:26:49 PM

In one event. I beleive he made about 60 in another one.

3/26/2007 6:21:03 AM

dont just look at the cashes and think win

you forget how much entry fees you pay when you like 16 table mtts




but for real, looks like he's doing a-ok

3/26/2007 6:51:39 AM

Yeah, I was thinking the same think after my post, but even if he only pulls down a measily 10K per month, he's still doing pretty damn good for himself.

3/26/2007 8:04:27 AM

agreed.

3/26/2007 8:22:11 AM

Quote :

"People dont buy drinks "

they do where gambling is frowned upon. actually i take that back. they do where certain live card games are left out that might exclude a high roller. poker is whats big in casinos now, and bill doesnt give a fuck how much he can bet on blackjack, he wants to play "that poker they got on the tv"

like places where they dont have cards. with the exceptions of places that i have been actively trying to sell my machines, i have paid for drinks in quite a few casinos dude

Quote :

"how do you keep random bystanders from seeing everyones hole cards?"

we have pondered that, and thats one main reason the first versions wont be in real testing until july. the faceup button will reveal about 5% of the back corners of the card, similar to how the guys check their cards on tv (gives it that "pro/espn" feel also haha). the screens... i'll have to get pictures up, but think about the privacy screen on a laptop. in order to see someones cards, you have to be at the right angle(which shouldnt go unnoticed, just like you cant hover shoulders on real card games) and you have to be looking at the second the button is hit to show the corners of the facedowns

im sure youve seen the games in the casinos without cards, the multiplayer video poker crap with the "hot babe" dealer and the fake cards.... its for places that cant have cards, but wanna have a 6 man table and still have the feel of live poker, the shit talking, all that. but at the same time, its something different, and it actually allows for poker. plus the rake is all configurable, and the casino can even bonus you to go rake free for X# of hands at a time if they so choose as a reward.

its cool from all sorts of standpoints, i just hope it works. its in no way a HUGE project right now, but we have a few places onboard that really like us and really want to give us the freedom to test games of chance (that run within the law, of course) in their casinos

the video poker is working out well, but we had a crazy bug hit last night. got a call and had to network in to the motherfuckin tohono nation and see what the trouble was. somehow a machine got down to -2 credits, and let the guy keep playing at his bet rate. he hit 4 aces (on a jacks+), and won "big"... but really didnt have the money when he played. he just kinda hit bet again when he was broke because of instinct, and the bet was higher than 2.

the bug has been isolated, but since that was our fault, we went ahead and let him get paid, even though he really didnt have the money in. thats what sucks about testing. tie goes to the loser :/

[Edited on March 26, 2007 at 8:16 PM. Reason : /]

3/26/2007 8:00:10 PM

My friend just got back from a cruise. He said there was an electronic 10 person table at the casino, and it was a pretty big hit. Is this something you had a hand in designing or is it the competition?

3/27/2007 8:12:44 AM

sound like 'leg may have missed the boat


HA HA GET IT

3/27/2007 8:21:26 AM

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1248484

I played here a few weeks ago and because of their great setup I was thinking about getting back into playing regularly. So much for that. This is the first place to get busted that I've actually played at.

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 8:28 AM. Reason : Fuck, I just read the list of players that got busted]

3/27/2007 8:26:20 AM

yeah there were some memorable poker stories in Cary that night

3/27/2007 8:48:37 AM

Quote :

"Funny how the article failed to mention the SWAT team that broke down the door complete w/ helicopters and attack dogs. Nothing like having the state take money from your pockets and wallet with Assault rifles and shotguns aimed at you. I think I remember overhearing one of the Swat officers complaining that he was missing some of the NCAA games ... probably wanted to check his bracket... I also love the mention of the "heroin" that was found ... sounds like they found a pound of the stuff ... to bad one guy throwing a bag on the ground makes the rest of us look like junkies .. Glad to see my tax dollars at work ..."

3/27/2007 8:51:48 AM

Yeah that's exactly how I imagined that whole thing going down. 80% of the people were there to play a friendly game with their own money. Guy running it is making a little money from the game for his time and provides drinks just like anyone playing a non cash game would have at a party. Some idiot thinks he's going to be gangster and rolls up to the game with some drugs and a gun. Everyone else gets the same treatment as this guy and the drugs/weapons become the main story.

And everyone knows that cops have cash games in thier spare time. It's all rediculous. Too much money with not enough to do.

3/27/2007 9:08:50 AM

^see that's what gets me annoyed, you know the cops are playing too

3/27/2007 9:29:46 AM

^^ and ^

I dont think yuo know much about the game in question. This guy was clearing easily over 6 figures from the numbers ive heard.

The guy is pretty well known around the area. You dont start putting up big screen tv's all over the place without making some money

3/27/2007 10:13:48 AM

who said he wasn't making money?

3/27/2007 10:16:42 AM

I think their point was that the story would have sounded much more tame if there weren't the drug/gun references. When I was there I didn't see any drugs or guns. They even made you go outside if you wanted to smoke cigarettes. Their flat panel tvs will be missed

3/27/2007 10:19:09 AM

well "a little money" meaning, people wouldn't play there if it was an unreasonable rake from the table and "a little money" compared to a casino.

3/27/2007 10:19:41 AM

Lower rake than at the estate.

3/27/2007 10:20:42 AM

yeah

he was making some serious bank off that place

3/27/2007 10:20:56 AM

^ That's the point. That would be what we call ILLEGAL.

What he was doing is no different than selling drugs.

He better be praying he doesnt get cited for tax evasion.



Poker isn't the smartest business to get into around here. You know there is one legal game in the Raleigh area (i wont mention the name, you all know what im talking about). They pay their dues to keep their game from getting busted by cops.

Now when one game comes around and gets a little too big for the britches (i mean this game was a full-scale daily operation) and they AREN'T paying dues. Of course the due paying game is going to take issue with that.

It's just business.

3/27/2007 10:21:12 AM

Quote :

"You know there is one legal game in the Raleigh area"

hah bribes do not a legal game make.

3/27/2007 10:27:10 AM

any place in raleigh spread omaha? i think i'm goign to be in town first weekend in april.

3/27/2007 10:28:46 AM

I was always under the impression that this game was "protected" and taken care of with the local authorities.

however, it was not covert at all.

AT ALL.


i mean, location, number of poeple involved, ease of entry....

all that...

and it was ultra visible, and everyone who played aroudn the area knew about it and played in it.

now, with state or federal agencies involved, being taken care of locally cant help that.

i mean

gross was prlly nearing 10k a week on good weeks.

3/27/2007 10:29:26 AM

I didn't think it was that visible. I had a hard time finding it my first time there.

3/27/2007 10:36:54 AM

david

you're being too literal.


visibility int he fact that EVERYONE who picked up a deck of cards in raleigh knew about it.

and if you want to be literal

the fucking name of the place was on the window in bigassed letters, and the code name wasn't exactly hard to decipher

3/27/2007 10:41:52 AM

Wait, are we talking about the same place? This place in the article, the place that I played at did not have windows.

3/27/2007 10:44:38 AM

oh shit

yeah, different place

damn, i barely looked at the picture





and take back everything i said about this game being protected

im thinking of the one that rally was talking about


damn

yeah this wasnt in business when i was in raleigh





(but theres another one very very close to that)

3/27/2007 10:59:26 AM

Hah. The other place never had a turnout that big. That's why I was excited about finding this new game.

3/27/2007 11:01:24 AM

same ole crowd though

3/27/2007 11:03:57 AM

Yeah, I recognized a lot of old faces when I went there for the first time. I still can't believe they named everyone there in the article.

3/27/2007 11:07:08 AM

And now you understand the problem pilgrimshoes

Youve got one guy paying dues. And losing his business to a non-payer.

I've got a good idea who reported this game to the local agencies, but thats none of my business so I won't speculate.

3/27/2007 12:26:24 PM

Oops David.......I liked the place which is why i suggested it. The other game I figure Ben is referencing apparently have some interesting policies going into effect. I was suppose to be there Thursday but I had a migraine and I took a nap and got up at 11 and was like I don't wanna play.

3/27/2007 9:00:15 PM

[Edited on March 27, 2007 at 9:14 PM. Reason : nevermind]

3/27/2007 9:05:48 PM

you guys ever watch the high stakes games on Bodog? That shit makes me sick.

Lots of terrible play and 200K+ average pots.

3/27/2007 11:19:20 PM

^ those could all be bots, or bodog people trying to lure rich saps in.

i wouldnt trust playing that kind of money unless i had chips and cards in front of me...fuck all this internet poker crap.

3/28/2007 7:44:10 AM

PokerStars Game #9153876692: Razz Limit ($30/$60) - 2007/03/29 - 19:55:23 (ET)
Table 'Iclea IV' 8-max
Seat 3: uncforte ($2330 in chips)
Seat 4: Cutsss ($6142.50 in chips)
Seat 5: jkopp984 ($1431.50 in chips)
Seat 6: noidroid ($1175 in chips)
Seat 8: day-dreamer ($1171.75 in chips)
uncforte: posts the ante $5
Cutsss: posts the ante $5
jkopp984: posts the ante $5
noidroid: posts the ante $5
day-dreamer: posts the ante $5
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to uncforte [Th]
Dealt to Cutsss [9d]
Dealt to jkopp984 [5c]
Dealt to noidroid [4s 3d Ks]
Dealt to day-dreamer [Ad]
noidroid: brings in for $10
day-dreamer: raises $20 to $30
uncforte: folds
Cutsss: raises $30 to $60
jkopp984: raises $30 to $90
noidroid: folds
day-dreamer: folds
Cutsss: folds
jkopp984 collected $185 from pot
jkopp984: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $185 | Rake $0
Seat 3: uncforte folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Cutsss folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 5: jkopp984 collected ($185)
Seat 6: noidroid folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 8: day-dreamer folded on the 3rd Street



Nice misclick, faggot.

I'm now 3/3 in my chasing losses by moving way up in limits strategy. I always feel so guilty afterwards though.. time to go get in my anti-tilt device..

3/29/2007 7:19:49 PM

Alright i just wanna say.

I had some free time today so i played 19 SNG's.

9 man table $2+$0.40's (i cant deposit right now, thanks republicans)


and i placed in FOUR of them (1st, 2nd, two 3rd's)

I have never seen so many bad beats in my LIFE.


That felt good to get that off my chest.

3/29/2007 9:00:08 PM

Quote :

"He said there was an electronic 10 person table at the casino, and it was a pretty big hit. Is this something you had a hand in designing or is it the competition?"

not us-- might be pokertek. (much bigger than the 4 of us, we are a TOTAL side job from my day job at the chipchopper) but i dont get them being in places with cards. but if the guys are making money, then good for em. im not about competition (yet), im about good product that works, and making a good name. iwe do it all ourselves and hire no outsiders. so theres not gonna be any chance of rigged shit on our name.

i hate to talk shit, but when you go pushing your tables based on how much you can rake per hour instead of how secure they are, you're setting yourself up to make a terrible name for yourself. i talk security, security, and more security. and also security.

3/29/2007 9:19:39 PM

i jusrt got sucked out by brian neiman,
i had 8d6d minor preflop raise
flop comes 9d7d2d
nieman makes it $15
dude on my right goes all in for $13.75 more
i reraise all in for $38 more
neiman thinks for a while and calls
nieman has 2 2
dude on my right has kk
turn comes 9s
river 5s

ohh well he made the right call, cant be too mad

3/30/2007 1:09:30 AM

did the KK guy have a diamond?

3/30/2007 7:01:24 AM

who is neiman?

3/30/2007 8:01:17 AM