I'd love to see a hunter try and get that before a rogue. It's about as silly as a fury warrior trying to get that over a rogue.

5/11/2006 8:24:38 PM

get ashkandi? ..

5/11/2006 8:53:38 PM

oh man napoleon dynamite dance now that is cool shit.

5/11/2006 10:52:26 PM

after all your warriors have ashkandi there'sreally no where else for them to go.

5/12/2006 12:05:42 AM

i was just wondering why he said rogues :p

5/12/2006 12:22:26 AM

i meant more to the hunters comment not the rogues

5/12/2006 12:35:53 AM

[verbose]

OK. When i speak to hunters wanting 1H melee weapons, they are primarily for raiding. I am well aware that 2H are better for PvP. However, I am also well aware that I use two different sets of gear for PvP and PvE. I am also well aware that even in PvP, I don't melee a lot, so since my strength is in ranged attacks, i do my best to use that.

The following is the stats for +crit, +rAP, +DPS, and the other stats. I don't know the calculation for +hit from Agility for hunters, so i am not including that.

Significant stats for the purpose of raiding:
AQ capable - Barb of the Sandreaver(+25agi) - 1.2% crit, 132 ranged AP, +9.2DPS from rAP, +31 Stamina

Naxx capable - Doom's Edge + Kingsfall(2x +15agi) - 2.2% crit, 124 ranged AP, +8.8DPS from rAP, +7str +7sta 1%hit

BWL capable - Doom's Edge + Brutality Blade(2x +15agi) - +2.1%crit, +110 ranged AP, +7.8DPS from rAP, +16str +7sta

The first combo of 1-handers there is clearly better. The sacrifice of .4 DPS for +1%crit and +1%hit is without a doubt worthwhile. I would argue that the sacrifice of 1.4DPS is also worthwhile for +.9%crit.

The other fact to consider here is where the hunter is in the progression. Honestly, a hunter who can get the Kingsfall is in a guild that has run AQ40 a good bit, and he could conceivably run it enough times to surely get the Barb. However, I (as a hunter) have never gotten to Fankriss. My guild can kill Nef, but we only raid 3 times a week. I doubt that we will ever get AQ on "farm status". And I am well behind on DKP compared to the other hunters.

My focus for melee gear right now is a Doom's Edge and a Brutality Blade. Both can be aruged as better for warriors, and the Brut is arguably better for a sword rogue. However, these are the things i can conceivably get right now (and i already have my Doom's Edge). It will be a LONG time before i can get a chance at a Barb, or Ashkandi, or DoW, or Untamed Blade, which are the (currently) four best DROPPED 2H for hunters. Next in line would be the staff from the hunter epic quest.

The reason why hunters want 1H weapons is because they are as equally beneficial to us as any 2H are. They are more beneficial if you happen to focus on raiding and not as much on PvP (like i do). And i have no problem with rogues or warriors bidding on ranged weapons. The second Blastershot to drop for my guild went to a rogue. I got the third. We have 3 rogues with Striker's Mark that got it ahead of a hunter. If the weapon benefits the class, then I am fine with them getting it. It also comes down to consideration for your guildmates. The Core Hound Tooth dropped, and i passed on it to a rogue, despite me having more DKP that the one who got it. Because it honestly would benefit them more. I would have loved to have it at the time, but I knew that there are better melee weapons for me to try to get, whereas that is one of the better daggers that you can get short of DFB or Perdition's (which our guild has never had drop in about 6 months of Rag kills).

[/verbose]

5/12/2006 4:12:54 AM

I swear to fucking god ...... if a hunter in my guild loots king's fall i'm going to kill his children

5/12/2006 5:56:50 AM

Amen.

I am all for hunters getting decent statted 1h daggers and swords, but rogues should certainly get the option first. That is unless it is ^^, and then he can have it after me.

5/12/2006 7:04:14 AM

^ and ^^^ both very true

5/12/2006 8:45:55 AM

Someone mentioned a few pages ago about crusader being the best PvE enchant for a rogue. Is that for a swords/combat rogue? Because being a stabby rogue I have been advised to get +5 once I get my Perds and +15agi on CHT or FotF since crusader doesn't proc as much from the offhand.

5/12/2006 12:38:07 PM

i have +5 and +15 currently

5/12/2006 12:42:43 PM

Quote :

"Enough about storyline bullshit and agility. Let's talk new mage talent specs. This what I'm currently looking at: http://www.wowhead.com/talent/?RZxgMzbsuxbhGhk0t Shatter + fire is obviously going to be THE pvp spec of choice. Beyond making sure you get shatter and firepower, there are a lot of choices."

Dear god I know. I'm thinking I'd opt for comustion over ice block though, just because I tend to be too reckless to remember to use iceblock...

Ah I can't wait to get those 10 extra talent points when I get to level 70 though.

[Edited on May 12, 2006 at 2:31 PM. Reason : I always forget that it's party only. I wondered why I never used it.]

5/12/2006 2:20:48 PM

!??!

5/12/2006 3:16:18 PM

10 extra talent points to be used towards the 40 pts in the talent tree talents

5/12/2006 3:25:13 PM

How many more tiers of talents are they adding? Have they said? I mean, it could be possible they would only add one.

5/12/2006 3:28:15 PM

they have said there will be a 41 point talent in each tree... can't remember exactly where i read it

5/12/2006 3:30:56 PM

Quote :

"Dear god I know. I'm thinking I'd opt for comustion over ice block though, just because I tend to be too reckless to remember to use iceblock... "

The new combustion is cool, but i just dont see it as a PVP talent. You already have shatter for reliable critting, getting combustion is just redundant.

5/12/2006 3:34:58 PM

Quote :

"The Draenai are the new Alliance race. A space-faring race, they crash landed in Kalimdor on an island in the sea. The island is not there now, but somehow it will appear in the expansion."

Now I'm not a lore nut or anything, but c'mon...

5/13/2006 12:39:15 AM

http://lorelol.ytmnsfw.com/

5/13/2006 12:44:57 AM

.

5/14/2006 2:02:24 AM

[/warcraft] till expansion

5/14/2006 2:13:28 AM

lol you'll be waiting a while

5/14/2006 2:25:41 AM

hey fellas, what's your thread here about?

-ZiP!-

5/14/2006 2:51:44 AM

nerds

5/14/2006 10:59:59 AM

tunak tunak is just about as annoyingly addicting as numa numa

5/14/2006 4:32:57 PM

pi piru piru piru pipiru pi!

5/14/2006 11:46:36 PM

400k to level 60...

5/15/2006 2:06:48 PM

gogo

5/15/2006 2:15:59 PM

get to Winterspring and go grind that out son

5/15/2006 2:17:50 PM

^ On my server I'd spend more time running back to my corpse to remove the alliance dagger out of my back that I would actually killing anything in Winterspring.

5/15/2006 4:07:42 PM

Meh, I killed a 60 mage, 60 warrior, and a 60 hunter (twice) over the course of grinding last night. Nerf warlocks rabble rabble.

5/15/2006 4:09:32 PM

seduce

dots dots dots

nukes nukes nukes

re-seduce

nukes nukes nukes

fear

nukes nukes nukes

death coil

nukes

ded

[Edited on May 15, 2006 at 5:11 PM. Reason : .]

5/15/2006 5:10:53 PM

lmao

warlock ftw

5/15/2006 5:56:15 PM

Warlocks are one of the most broken classes in teh game.

Nobody but good locks know this though.

5/15/2006 8:04:19 PM

Damn you WoW! Let me connect!

5/15/2006 8:51:28 PM

fuckin a

5/15/2006 8:52:53 PM

What is this 'unable to connect' bs?

5/15/2006 8:56:21 PM

mine works fine

5/15/2006 9:52:52 PM

Quote :

"Warlocks are one of the most broken classes in teh game. Nobody but good locks know this though."

if by broken you mean a class that actually has multiple viable specs, has great survivability with fear, death coil, seduce, possibilty of insane HP for a caster, can eat buffs and when decently geared can 2-3 shot anything in the game then yea sure theyre broken

warlocks are a ton of fun. obviously there are changes that need to be made within almost every class, warlocks included. But to go so far as to say they are one of the most broken classes in the game is ridiculous imo. with half decent gear and a decent IQ you can destroy any other class in PVP and are an important part of PVE as well

5/15/2006 10:10:48 PM

broken as in overpowered

5/15/2006 10:31:03 PM

^

5/16/2006 12:58:51 AM

Quote :

"and are an important part of PVE as well"

Never know when you might randomly run into Garr while wandering around Azeroth.

5/16/2006 3:11:32 AM

nub

in other news had my first nef kill today

5/16/2006 3:18:02 AM

^nice

We've been successfully getting him to phase II. Taken Nef down to a whopping %98 . Just need to work on making the transition better, and not having as many ppl die in phase I. His loot table is pretty freaking sick btw.

I basically play my lock so i can deathcoil, immolate, searing pain, conflag, shadow burn. Big dmg numbers are funny.

[Edited on May 16, 2006 at 8:51 AM. Reason : lock]

5/16/2006 8:47:22 AM

the hardest part of the Nefarian fight is surviving Phase I and keeping people focused on killing the drakonids even after Nef lands. Only about three people(warrior, priest, anotherhealer) should ever leave the drakonid groups until they are all dead.

from there it's just a process of dealing with whatever call Nef uses.

BTW, Mage call followed by Hunter call = shitty for hunters who get poly'd and don't get cleansed.

5/16/2006 9:08:51 AM

Quote :

" Never know when you might randomly run into Garr while wandering around Azeroth. "

or you know their dots/debuffs arent helpful to raid dps, and from what i remember locks were very useful when first learning the pull between broodlord and the drakes when the mob locks werent being killed fast enough.

and suprisingly there are still a lot of guilds working on MC and for guilds first learning MC, locks are useful on many of the pulls.

and i havent been to the twin emps in AQ40 but from what i understand warlocks are used in a lot of that fight?

5/16/2006 9:40:10 AM

broken weapon thomas?

5/16/2006 9:41:53 AM

both of them... i joined the melee group for the last 12% of the fight

leet hunter melee dps ftw!

was spamming wing clip like a motherfucker

5/16/2006 10:25:47 AM

Quote :

"and i havent been to the twin emps in AQ40 but from what i understand warlocks are used in a lot of that fight?"

a lot of guilds use locks to tank the spellcasting emperor

5/16/2006 11:16:06 AM