yeah i fucked up selling b4 earnings but got back in after the tweet (and ofc missed some of the runup bc i didnt schedule the trade fml)

5/8/2020 3:57:08 PM

Quote :

"Haven't bought any lately. Every day I think about buying more or selling everything. Fun stuff!!!"

how did you come down on this? holding pattern?

5/8/2020 3:57:55 PM

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-is-only-getting-stronger-1843389807

5/11/2020 10:52:12 AM

I’m not sure if Elon Musk needs to smoke more pot or less pot.

5/11/2020 6:58:25 PM

^^shocking to see a (slightly) positive Tesla article on Jalopnik.

I hope Elon keeps doing sketchy shit for a little while, I want to buy more shares before battery day (some time this month apparently)

5/13/2020 7:19:17 AM

I guess he has gone full blown Trumper

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tweets-take-the-red-pill-what-it-means-2020-5

He got a retweet from Ivanka

5/18/2020 4:09:57 PM

^ Follow-up

https://www.wired.com/story/red-pill-matrix-tweet

They both got cussed out by Matrix co-creator

5/19/2020 10:25:19 AM

whats the reliability of these cars like....sayyyy if u were looking at a 2013 model S. Sounds like the batteries last a very long time and the drive train is pretty simple and reliable. Car complaints looks good. What else?

5/29/2020 7:28:49 PM

You’d be better off checking http://teslamotorsclub.com for a question like that. The biggest miss in my opinion is that autopilot is too old and would miss out on everything new.

5/30/2020 9:54:53 AM

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"whats the reliability of these cars like....sayyyy if u were looking at a 2013 model S. Sounds like the batteries last a very long time and the drive train is pretty simple and reliable. Car complaints looks good. What else?"

The drive trains were replaced on every Tesla multiple times in the early models. That would be a big source of concern if you were looking after market--you'd want one with the repair done.

5/30/2020 10:34:52 AM

May get one in a year or two.
How many of you all own the car?

5/30/2020 11:39:31 AM

I own one..2020 model 3 performance. So far absolutely zero issues and I still make an excuse to drive it every day (even though I work from home and put about 500 miles on my tacoma last year)..the car is the most fun thing I have ever owned, and accelerating with instant torque really never gets old.

As far as reliability, there are many thousands of older model S still on the road. The newer raven cars and model 3 use the newer motor technology which hasnt been unreliable in any way, if motor failures occur they usually happen in the first couple thousand miles. The motors are said to be rated for a million miles.
I rented a 30k mile model 3 performance off of Turo ..ordered my car the next day
there were absolutely no nvh issues on the 30k car and someone could switch it out with mine and I wouldnt notice...the cars are solid imo.

5/31/2020 7:02:05 AM

^^

I had a new Model S in 2018. It is an amazing car, but got really worried about the reliability and stuff I was seeing on the forums. I didn't want to end up with a six figure paper weight so I sold it. They seem to have improved the service and people I know personally that have had service have had a quick turn around time.

Will consider it again if we still have society and the guillotines aren't out.

6/1/2020 12:59:57 AM

model S's of that vintage still have an 8 year 100k mile battery/motor warranty, so I wouldn't worry. I know my '15 carries that warrantly as well. surprised your '18 didn't

6/1/2020 11:03:31 AM

^ It had the warranty, of course, but if there aren't parts and the service center is backlogged...

It seems better now, but in 2018 lots of hate in the forums on the service centers and quality/timing of repairs.

6/1/2020 1:13:26 PM

Had you asked me 6 months ago, I was 99% positive I was going to get a Model 3 or Model Y. I am coming from a Chevy Volt, and two i3s. The tipping point for me was a friend came over with a Model 3 to pick up a pancake compressor. These are really small compressors. We could not get it in the truck without rubbing on the gaskets. I also drove the car, and even compared to the i3, I thought I was elbow to elbow with the passenger. The back seat wasn't really better than the i3. Just too damned small. I would have likely ordered a Model Y, but I didn't have time to wait.

I ended up buying an Audi E-tron. Absolutely gorgeous on the inside, filled with tech, and I can tell the traditional manufactures are coming up fast to compete with Tesla. The 0-60 with the performance model is really nice (Tesla) and the E-tron can;'t compete with that, but I really consider that a novelty. I am generally trying to be efficient with my electric cars. Even the E-tron is 0-60 is 5.4, which is super quick, and it is good enough for me. It has what would amount to the basic auto pilot on a Model 3, and I've driven about 300 miles on that in the last week and it is extremely competent. If Tesla actually makes real progress on the FSD capability, then it will create more distance, but right now it isn't there.

6/1/2020 8:32:50 PM

Yep. FSD is when I plan on buying one.

Until then, it's just about efficiency in a commuter car for me, and there are plenty of more cost efficient options for that.

Of course, in about 5 years, I won't have a long work commute anymore, and at that point I won't need an efficient DD anymore. I'll probably just DD a Porsche or a Corvette or something. If TSLA takes too long to iron out that technology, it won't matter so much for me.

6/2/2020 1:07:45 AM

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"I can tell the traditional manufactures are coming up fast to compete with Tesla"

Any other data to report there? Think I saw a Jalopnik article that argued the opposite...but not sure if they
considered the etron.

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"I thought I was elbow to elbow with the passenger"

So the Model 3 felt smaller than the i3?

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"The 0-60 with the performance model is really nice (Tesla) and the E-tron can;'t compete with that, but I really consider that a novelty."

How is going from 0-60 in 3.5 seconds a novelty? I haven't driven or rode in one so am asking with a mostly open mind.

6/2/2020 6:49:58 AM

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"Of course, in about 5 years, I won't have a long work commute anymore"

Do tell. Where is the commute going?

6/2/2020 6:51:14 AM

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"Any other data to report there? Think I saw a Jalopnik article that argued the opposite...but not sure if they considered the etron"

I probably spoke too generally, but there are beginning to be a lot of options. The E-tron is the first electric vehicle I've been in that doesn't feel like an electric vehicle in the sense that the car is not trying to make a statement. They have taken what people really like in the luxury SUV market and married it to electric. I believe they are selling more E-trons than their upscale line, so the volume is at an acceptable level for a low volume car manufacturer (the Audi line). The new model, the Sportback, is also doing the same thing. I also drove and considered the I-Pace, but I thought it was a joke to call it a cross-over SUV. It felt like a sedan to me (albeit a really fast one). The range is disappointing compared to Tesla, but as someone who has owned electric and PHEV vehicles, I know that 200-215 miles is more than enough for me. The Electrify America network is already pretty impressive and getting better month by month.

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" So the Model 3 felt smaller than the i3?"

Yes. That was the surprising part. Technically, the Model 3 is about 2 inches wider than the i3, but for some reason I felt crowded in the front. I would take the cargo area of the i3 hatchback over the tiny trunk (and seats that I suspect lay down) in the Tesla every time. I have hauled some big things due to the hatch on the i3. Would not be possible on a model 3. I think I am going to be a hatch guy for life at this point. It is just too aggravating to not be able to haul large boxes and tools with ease. The model 3 just felt really small to me. I am 6'1".

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""The 0-60 with the performance model is really nice (Tesla) and the E-tron can;'t compete with that, but I really consider that a novelty.""

0-60 is important to me in that I don't want to feel a lack of power/speed when I need it. And I've definitely been in cars that need it. But I think once you get under the 6 second mark, you likely have all the power your need for 99.9% of all circumstances, and paying all the extra for a faster off the line car is just a bragging right. Sure, I would love it if the E-tron lost another second off the line. I just didn't consider that important enough when weighed against everything else to get a Model 3 performance, or Jaguar I-Pace.

I think the most important difference between the Model 3 and E-tron is the range. They really are in two different categories, and it is unfair to compare them head to head, but the range will be the thing that 'should' move people to or from the two cars. The long distant commuter, the person with one car, the person who needs to make long trips and has no other option should likely move towards a Tesla. The supercharger network is too good. However, for me, we have two cars. I know that adding an extra 100 miles to my range won't affect me. It will limit me taking my car over my wife's car on a long road trip, but we may opt to take her's anyway. It is faster to go somewhere in an ICE than an electric car.

Bottom line is that in my opinion the Audi has a far superior interior, large cargo room, has a different set of features that Tesla doesn't have (air suspension, matrix headlamps, ventilated seats, opening double moonroof with shade, heads up display, and a traditional dash layout that I prefer over the Model 3). The Tesla also has unique features, but I cared about them less. The pull of FSD is really strong, but I also know they are still a long ways away from that, and it would be a slightly better version of what is in the Audi for likely years.

I would have loved to seen a Model Y in person. But from what I can tell, it is a model 3 with a higher roofline and slightly larger dimensions.

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"Do tell. Where is the commute going?"

So many companies are going to work from home now and abandoning the office altogether as the pandemic has showed efficiency without being in an office. Of course, it misses the collaboration piece.

[Edited on June 2, 2020 at 9:52 AM. Reason : .]

6/2/2020 9:50:52 AM

one thing that I don't think can be under-estimated about tesla is its charging network. super charging is the only way to make a 400mi drive in a somewhat reasonable time frame and even then, I'm stopping for 60-90min with very little choice as to where I stop. the equivalent dc fast charging that other manufacturers use is probably 5% of what the supercharging network is, and that might be way too generous.

I've only ridden in a 3, never driven or owned one, but I'm very glad I went with the S instead. the practicality of it being a hatch let me get rid of my cayenne for it

6/2/2020 1:00:21 PM

The electrify America is quickly catching up. The chargers that I would use are all 150 kW or better (I think some support 350kW). I think VW has to spend 2B on building it out, so I think it will be comparable in 2 years.

My frustration is some of the vacation routes. There is really nothing to support the OBX. For me to get there and have juice to get around, I would have to get lucky with some level 2 EVSEs. Not good enough.

6/2/2020 6:52:24 PM

^^

https://www.plugshare.com

Is that still the case? What am I missing? I know you're way more in tune with this than I am, but even filtering out everything below 120 kW, it looks like Tesla's network isn't that dominant.

Quote :

"Do tell. Where is the commute going?"

So, the short answer is that I don't know, but the only reason I live where I do is for my daughter, and the day that she's off to college or whatever she ends up doing, I plan on moving.

The long answer is that if I stay at my current job, we would move down close to work and close to (on?) the water here...maybe 30-60 minutes from where we currently live. That wouldn't be the worst deal--life by the beach/water in FL, in a relatively inexpensive location, making great money, doing easy work, with the ability to step down to part-time whenever I want and still make plenty to live well. If I wanted, I could go part-time next week and never work more than a few days per week again. Realistically, I wouldn't go THAT far, but I'd probably start tapering off work at a young age, having fun, and planning on delaying total retirement until much older (you know...less hurry to totally hang it up if you only have to work a minimum of 10 days per month).

However, I want to go back to school and get my MBA. I'd like to get into finance, primarily venture capital. This would require getting into a pretty top tier school (I'm hoping for Duke, although UNC or UVA might be OK.) If I can get accepted, I'll step down to part-time at my current job about 3 years from now, for my daughter's last 2 years of high school, and commute to a weekend MBA program every 2-3 weeks.

[Edited on June 2, 2020 at 11:45 PM. Reason : ]

6/2/2020 11:38:31 PM

I checked and was actually surprised at how far along competitive networks have come. From my house in Atlanta to pickup some delicious BBQ it's not a massive difference in time. Cost on the other hand is drastically different. If you frequently need to charge anywhere else but home then you'll feel the difference.

For clarification on my settings. I used the default settings for everything on ABRP including reference consumption and set it so I'd arrive with 50% SOC at Marty's.

audi etron
time to charge: 75 minutes
one way cost: $69.46

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-JgcVkUsCWiF7Ai0--x7Yqe7p5V-iGIy/view

telsa model 3 long range awd
time to charge: 55 minutes
one way cost: $23.81

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OyrPMIfU1l6Nzt579M3Heko9XffQL1t-/view


[Edited on June 3, 2020 at 10:51 AM. Reason : .]

6/3/2020 10:29:40 AM

wow, that's drastically different than even last year. I was looking at the rivian to replace the tesla, but chademo penetration was terrible and I was looking at a lot of 50kW stops which would have been 2-3 hours each. it looks like most of the chargers are still 50kW and the price is huge compared free supercharging, but for the 1-2 road trips I do a year in that car, it'd be fine.

6/3/2020 11:30:09 AM

Omar: Our differences are obviously very different. I haven't had the need to take my electric cars on a long journey in 8 years. This is with over 150,000 electric miles. My wife and I generally prefer the gas option on trips, as we don't like the bother. And if it is longer than about 4 or 5 hours, I would assume fly if I can. My current only regret is that I can't take it to the OBX because there is no support. That is something I'd like to do. I would agree that if long distance driving is a thing, Tesla is the way to go.

So for me, I might make use of the stations once or twice a year. Difference doesn't matter to me.

I will say my consumption is better than estimates. I use about 38 kWh per 100 miles so far (I think the math is right. 2.6k miles per kW). I think the book is closer to 44. I keep it in sport mode, but I don't punch it very often.

6/3/2020 9:44:38 PM

86.9 MPGe. Inline with model x.

6/3/2020 10:18:57 PM

Pretty much the same - we take the honda odyssey (3 kids) for any long trips unless it's a rare occasion when I take a trip alone which hasn't been more than twice per year at most. I almost exclusively charge at home.

I was expecting the non-tesla option to take at least an hour longer and was surprised that it's come along more than anticipated. I'm curious about how it is at busier times when people take road trips en masse like at thanksgiving or christmas since the number of chargers at each stop is drastically less than Tesla.

[Edited on June 4, 2020 at 12:09 AM. Reason : your conservative driving is inline with the base of another car which means you'd likely get much b]

6/4/2020 12:08:59 AM

My guess is that the electrify America chargers are a virtual ghost town compared to super chargers (at this moment). As soon as the others start coming up with more 300 mile cars, my guess is that will change.

6/4/2020 9:15:49 AM

im sorry but your comparisons to the i3 are questionable. I came from a 2014 mazda 6 and the interior of my model 3 feels about as spacious. I also dont consider a fast 0-60 time a novelty..maybe if it compromised the overall efficiency of the car, but it doesnt . Any tesla (even the older S) is much more efficient than the e-tron or i3. You get more miles per kwh (you said you got 100 miles in 38kw, so 380wh/mi..my car gets 260wh/mi but also does 0-60 in 3 seconds flat.. I will agree that the lack of a hatch makes the model 3 less than ideal for transporting large objects.
Overall you get a lot more for your money with the tesla , IMO.
My wife and I have been getting takeout and eating it in the car while watching netflix or youtube, also nice to have while charging. There are so many little features that the tesla offers that many people (even myself) forget about...but they all come in useful at some point.
I love being able to cool off the car if I notice its hot on the app before I get in. I like having the car covered in cameras which record anything around the car while driving or parked. I like having a full glass rook that makes the interior feel even more spacious...and my son loves going for rides and can see out of the roof from his baby seat. there are so many things I love about the car, I honestly cant get enough of the car and still get excited to drive it every day. ( I work from home but still find a reason to take it out every day)

My dad just broke the news to me this weekend that he ordered a model Y back in march, he just got his vin. Until they add track mode v2 to the Y (unlikely) ..im sticking with the m3p. For storage and family use, the Y (being a hatch and overall larger) is a no brainer. I think you would be better off with the Y over the e-tron..

the difference in charging is actually more in the real world usage..most Tesla owners have several thousand miles of free supercharging that come with the car ( I just got another 1k from my dad getting a model Y and using my referral) Also, I mainly charge at home and pay $0.11 per kwh, about $8 to drive 300 miles. SO you leave on a trip with a nice full battery that you paid nothing to fill, then use free supercharging..really beats the hell out of the current competitions charging options.

If anyone in the Raleigh area wants to take a ride or even drive my Model 3 Performance sometime, hit me up. Just ask that you wear a mask, I will too







[Edited on June 17, 2020 at 5:17 PM. Reason : ..]

6/17/2020 5:09:15 PM

I'll probably take you up on that ride along offer

Thanks for all the info guys

6/17/2020 7:34:50 PM

if you still have no clue what you want, you should at least turo a tesla. i didn't understand them until i bought one, which lead to investing in it. there's nothing like it on the market. it's the perfect car for when most of your driving is a chore. it's not a great car if you love driving, but if you want driving to be a lot more chill and passive, it can't be beat.

6/18/2020 10:19:05 AM

Tesla Roadster with rocket thrusters (Space X package) acceleration simulation

https://twitter.com/Pslavi/status/1275325130667745280

6/23/2020 11:15:38 PM

Is cyber truck with Tesla motor too?

6/25/2020 4:41:26 AM

anyone else hold onto some TSLA stock?






I really wish the guy who started this thread would come back and let us know his thoughts

its hilarious how people still somehow think this company is going to fail

just read any article on Jalopnik.com and you can see that most of the commenters are still convinced that there is imminent failure in Tesla's future.
do these people just think "fuck it im doubling, tripling, quadrupling down..."

then you have short sellers like Gordon Johnson who is literally insane. He was just on the news recently lying about Teslas numbers yet he never has to fess up for the bs.

7/3/2020 8:01:40 AM

I have a few shares. Nothing crazy.

7/5/2020 3:50:30 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1268921703264129025

Should have listened to this guy.

7/5/2020 5:51:56 PM

I’ve got some but nothing crazy - 19 shares in a taxable account that’s up 353% and 11 shares in my wife’s IRA that’s up 446%

7/5/2020 9:07:00 PM

15 shares 461% gain

7/11/2020 12:20:49 PM

I've only got 12 shares

7/11/2020 1:29:10 PM

bought my kid a model Y



[Edited on November 7, 2020 at 9:41 AM. Reason : .]

11/7/2020 9:40:31 AM

The new porsche electric wagon is kinda hot
https://www.carscoops.com/2020/11/2021-porsche-taycan-cross-turismo-revealed-as-practically-all-camo-drops/

11/12/2020 5:07:19 PM

yea I dig it

11/23/2020 6:27:37 AM

Obviously getting in late but I'm going to pick up a handful of shares. It's as much an emotional investment as a financial one.

12/11/2020 3:30:23 PM

^^^I find the Taycan very disappointing in person. And the wagon version looks even worse.

12/14/2020 9:17:29 AM

Probably looks like a disappointing penis for a woman that wants a good penis

12/20/2020 11:24:29 PM

This steering yoke won't be legal in the US, will it?

https://www.tesla.com/models
https://www.motor1.com/news/482516/new-tesla-model-s-interior-plaid




Anyway, new tri motor Plaid model on sale in a few weeks (with the yoke?), and Plaid+ by the end of the year:

Model S Plaid
$120,000
1,020 hp
0-60 in 1.99 sec
1/4 mile in 9.23 sec @ 155 mph
Top speed 200 mph

Model S Plaid+
$140,000
1,100+ hp
0-60 in < 1.99 sec
1/4 mile in < 9 sec
Top speed 200 mph

And the only other model, the entry level one, has amazing stats too for the price.

Model X Plaid will be available as well.

Impressive that a company from California that's under 2 decades old has beaten established decades-old German manufacturers and European supercar manufacturers to the first 1,000+ hp sedan. And that sedan also happens to be the quickest accelerating street-legal production car both to 60 mph and in the 1/4 mile

1/28/2021 4:06:05 PM

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"^^^I find the Taycan very disappointing in person. And the wagon version looks even worse. "

The inside is almost as bare as the Model 3. It feels like a Model S with better brakes to me on the road. Drove it about an hour @ the Porsche experience. Did not expect to leave preferring the real Turbo over the fiat Turbo.

1/28/2021 4:09:20 PM

Interview with Musk and Sandy Munro. Good Watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAtLTLiqNwg

2/3/2021 9:31:37 AM

^^^nothing says responsible driving like Netflix on the promotion photo.

^^really? You expected to enjoy an insanely heavy EV over a legendary sports car?

2/3/2021 9:54:45 AM