lol. that would be the cherry on top.

[Edited on February 14, 2017 at 11:12 AM. Reason : pay to play]

2/14/2017 11:12:42 AM

from the last page

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"Same friend that told me about the press release on ABC11 said this today: So there's a rumor going around here that WRAL is sitting on an explosive story about a pay to play scheme at NC State "

and yeah it would be like the ultimate NC State shit to have UNC basically draw out their systemic cheating for years and end up with a slap on the wrist while we get hammered, kill any recruiting, and end up with a dog shit coach. All the while UNC fans get to say "we told you so" and give us hell for years.

Really, really hope that it's bogus.

Does anyone with a PackPride subscription know what the thread "Brace Yourselves" is about?

nm - apparently it's speculation about Archie not coming

[Edited on February 14, 2017 at 11:30 AM. Reason : .]

2/14/2017 11:26:32 AM

If that is the case that is the point I will officially check out on the program. I haven't been giving UNC fans shit for years only for it to come down that we were cheating and still sucked. That just means not only are they better at basketball but also better at cheating than us. We know how that would work out with the NCAA and that is just too much for this program to recover from.

2/14/2017 11:33:02 AM

Anyone want to work up a website for firegottfried.com?

2/14/2017 11:41:45 AM

Someone please explain to me why we would actually want Archie to come here? I just don't get it.

2/14/2017 11:57:43 AM

^he made Dayton relevant and took them to the Elite 8. he is a great defensive coach. he's a clean coach and presentable. he's one of the biggest names in college basketball and it's his alma mater. we wouldn't have a shot at him at all if we weren't his alma mater. why wouldn't we want him to come here?

2/14/2017 12:03:41 PM

but Atlantic 10. He actually had less success in the tourney than our current coach. I get that we should try the little guy but I don't think he should be our number 1.

2/14/2017 12:10:38 PM

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"he's a clean coach and presentable"

lmao

2/14/2017 12:26:25 PM

He's well-spoken (for a wigger).

(said completely in jest, sorry, I just remember people calling him that)

[Edited on February 14, 2017 at 12:28 PM. Reason : ]

2/14/2017 12:28:01 PM

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"Someone please explain to me why we would actually want Archie to come here? I just don't get it."

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"but Atlantic 10. He actually had less success in the tourney than our current coach. I get that we should try the little guy but I don't think he should be our number 1."

But Atlantic 10??? So you want us to hire Coach K? I always lol at these people who think you can pluck a coach away from a P5 school. The A10 is the best mid-major conference in basketball. And he made an Elite Eight with an A10 team.

He ABSOLUTELY is the #1. Would love to hear reasons why he shouldn't be. Unless you really think Billy Donovan and Fred Hoiberg are leaving the NBA to come here.

2/14/2017 12:37:44 PM

I can't wait for AM to just admit publically that he doesn't even like NC State.

2/14/2017 12:47:14 PM

We are going to set records

[Edited on February 14, 2017 at 12:56 PM. Reason : for # of tranfers]

2/14/2017 12:55:49 PM

we must not have been paying the players very much if they all transfered and/or went pro early. gotta bump up their pay to make 'em stick around an extra year or two

2/14/2017 1:02:34 PM

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"He actually had less success in the tourney than our current coach. I get that we should try the little guy but I don't think he should be our number 1."

honest question...who is your number 1?

and less tourney success than Gott is up for debate. both have made it as far as the Elite 8. Gott at Bama, Archie at Dayton. Gott hasn't done that at State. while it's not postseason, Archie also has a regular season conference title. also, comparing postseason success at NC State to Dayton is a very apples to orange comparison.

2/14/2017 1:06:49 PM

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"^he made Dayton relevant and took them to the Elite 8. he is a great defensive coach. he's a clean coach and presentable. he's one of the biggest names in college basketball and it's his alma mater. "

I don't necessarily agree with "one of the biggest names in college bball" but he really is the ideal candidate IMO. Young, gritty, good recruiter, good with X's and O's, proven winner, and an alum. He's worked for some good coaches -- Thad Matta, Sean Miller, even ol' Herbie.

I saw a pretty great write up on Archie on Backing the Pack yesterday. Definitely worth a read:
http://www.backingthepack.com/2017/2/11/14588826/profile-of-a-possible-savior-archie-miller

2/14/2017 1:50:19 PM

and as far as being "clean and presentable" that got laughed at up there, I think it's important that a coach runs a clean program and doesn't have a bunch of grimy shit in the closet a la Larry Brown or something. Gott was running from a scandal with a co-ed, was rumored to have been banging his player's girlfriends, was rumored to have banged Corch's ex-wife, etc. I had heard rumblings that players and their parents had thought it was grimey and disrespectful and that he wasn't a good example / role model. I've posted on here before that friends of mine have said Gottfried would call them and their girlfriends to invite them over when his wife was out of town. Raleigh is still a small community and shit like that travels.

The part about being presentable was just having the "look" and authority of a coach and a representative of our university.

2/14/2017 2:15:02 PM

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/it-s-time-to-rebuild-wolfpack-basketball/16528866/

2/14/2017 2:38:50 PM

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"honest question...who is your number 1?"

I would rather throw all the money at Marshall, Cronin etc, than be embarrassed by a former alumni again(who doesn't even like the university after what we did to Herb)

Before you jump to conclusion I know this wont be the same case as Lowe.

2/14/2017 2:58:14 PM

http://www.scout.com/college/north-carolina-state/story/1755015-pp-digital-mark-gottfrieds-future

podcast

2/14/2017 3:07:58 PM

^^ In what world is Marshall more attainable (less likely to embarrass) than Archie?

2/14/2017 3:10:34 PM

I never said that he was any more attainable. at least you know his track record.

What do we have to lose. We are going to fall on our faces just like we always do when it comes to hiring new coaches.

2/14/2017 3:14:18 PM

^^IS there something we should be listening for or are you just posting the podcast.

2/14/2017 3:15:47 PM

If this pay for play shit is true, then fuck NC State. Worst ROI in history.

2/14/2017 4:16:53 PM

^what?

2/14/2017 4:32:06 PM

^ read the posts at the top of the page.

2/14/2017 4:34:42 PM

Yeah, I'd simply wash my hands of it all.

2/14/2017 4:43:46 PM

baseless rumors.

2/14/2017 4:44:02 PM

yeah gregggg marshall would be a fantastic hire. the best hire we have ever made. but that's not happening. he's not coming here. dude makes like 3 million at Wichita. not even sure how much we could offer him and it's unlikely it'd be enough to take on the stress of the job for him.

2/14/2017 4:49:30 PM

Does this coaching search qualify as a clusterfuck yet?

Seems the way it was leaked was far from helpful.

2/14/2017 5:34:54 PM

well its debbie yow, so...

2/14/2017 5:38:08 PM

^to be fair, of her two high profile coaching searches...MBB and Football, only one was a clusterfuck. and her non-rev sports hires have been pretty good and successful. it's not like she's been fucking up every single search.

but yeah, that last MBB search was not ideal

2/14/2017 5:45:02 PM

First part of the process has to be to put together a list of guys who truly want to coach in the ACC and aren't scared of the pressure and challenges that comes with that.

2/14/2017 5:53:51 PM

preferably without telling tje rest of the world first

2/14/2017 7:41:32 PM

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"yeah gregggg marshall would be a fantastic hire. the best hire we have ever made"

I'm assuming you forgot to add, "in my lifetime", because if not, c'mon man.

2/14/2017 11:53:31 PM

So Dynasty2004 doesn't want to go after Archie who makes half what Gott does but wants us to "throw money" at Gregg Marshall who makes $3.3 Million at Wichita and has already not worked out.

[Edited on February 14, 2017 at 11:56 PM. Reason : .]

2/14/2017 11:55:31 PM

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" I'm assuming you forgot to add, "in my lifetime", because if not, c'mon man. "

i meant based on resume or being "proven" prior to being hired. V was great, but he wasn't "proven". Sloan didn't have an overly impressive resume when he was hired either, but i guess it's hard to compare over different eras. And Case doesn't appear to have had an coaching experience prior to NC State.

i'm obviously not saying Marshall would be more successful than those coaches. i just meant in terms of resume he'd be the best hire. should've added "on paper" or something to the end.

2/15/2017 6:55:11 AM

^^ lol I hope you realize Archie makes a lot more than 600K a year. I've seen reports where he is making 1.8 the same Shaka was.

I just don't see all the love for Archie.



[Edited on February 15, 2017 at 8:32 AM. Reason : small]

2/15/2017 8:27:42 AM

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"I just don't see all the love for Archie. "

What would he have to do to "earn" the NCSU job? There is a reason he is the biggest name in coaching searches.

He took Dayton to an Elite Eight.

2/15/2017 8:43:24 AM

I don't think he needs to earn anything. I'm just saying I think there should be people on a 'wishlist' ahead of a Atlantic 10 coach who has had 1 great season. especially when replacing a coach that had taken us to 4 straight tournaments including 2 sweet 16s.

This also included a fairly close shot at 2 elite 8s.

i know close is only good in hand grenades tho.

2/15/2017 8:53:04 AM

People seem to think an Alma Mater means everything to everyone.

2/15/2017 9:01:06 AM

I am ok, with hiring Archie. He seems to have a pretty high up side. I just dont think that if we "miss" on Archie, and end up with another coach, that necessarily means the coaching search was a failure. Archie is only the #1 candidate because he is an alum. There are other potential candidates with better resumes who would fit nicely.

2/15/2017 9:13:29 AM

The problem is that most of those poo-pooing Archie think all these big names (Marshall, Hoiberg, Cronin, etc.) are going to be avaialble for us--they aren't. Archie is the best coach who might be available and willing to come to NCState. The alum angle is potentially the only "in" we have with him.

I think the early publicity this has gotten has blown any chance we may have had to get him though. We are gonna end up with a Keatts (or someone similar) and I'm ok with that. I just hope we can manage to get through the process without getting publicly denied by half the coaches in the country again.

[Edited on February 15, 2017 at 9:18 AM. Reason : d]

2/15/2017 9:17:31 AM

the sooner we all get over the fact that Archie isnt coming here, the better we will all be

2/15/2017 9:21:39 AM

It is sad to see it go this way.

2/15/2017 9:22:36 AM

At this point with all the leaks, is there any reason not to go ahead and fire him (assuming that is what Yow plans at the end of the season)?

Doesn't waiting just hurt us now? I guess you can argue if no one knows it makes it easier to approach candidates, but at this point with the leaks i think that advantage is lost.

2/15/2017 9:31:45 AM

Probably expecting a blow out loss tonight anyways will be easier to just wait until after the game and use that as the excuse.

2/15/2017 9:48:25 AM

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"I'm just saying I think there should be people on a 'wishlist' ahead of a Atlantic 10 coach who has had 1 great season. "

You knock him for being just an "A10 coach" and then knock him for having little success in the NCAAT. If the A10 is so poor, wouldn't that make his NCAAT success even more relevant? Trying to figure out your line of thinking. Were you against Sean too because he was at an "A10" school?

2/15/2017 9:59:37 AM

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"t this point with all the leaks, is there any reason not to go ahead and fire him (assuming that is what Yow plans at the end of the season)?"

maybe this is all a ploy to have the team react in a positive way and win out. Does 6 wins in a row help?

2/15/2017 10:02:58 AM

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"Doesn't waiting just hurt us now?"

I think I saw Armstrong answer this, per is source. Firing Gott now doesn't add any benefit. We should wait until the season is over.

2/15/2017 10:03:33 AM

Of course it helps us now. It helps us look like we are decisive and not shit all over the legacy of a coach who, while he deserves to be fired now, is a nice enough guy that has done ok for us all in all.

[Edited on February 15, 2017 at 10:09 AM. Reason : d]

2/15/2017 10:08:24 AM