that it is. but i still think sword spec is the best 2H spec in the game and i like the 2h spec for pvp.

5/18/2006 2:38:32 PM

I'd take the +5% crit over 5% to get an extra attack any day.

5/18/2006 2:41:17 PM

double postage >.<

[Edited on May 18, 2006 at 2:58 PM. Reason : ]

5/18/2006 2:46:46 PM

lol no way. 5% chance to gain an extra attack = more dps than 5% crit lets look at this way..ESPECIALLY if you already have decent crit (im sitting close to 30% crit zerker stance without axe spec)

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5% crit = 5% chance to do 200-220% dmg (depending on your impale points) period

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5% chance to gain an extra attack has multiple scenarios that can happen:

a) you swing and HIT and gain one extra attack and HIT = ~200% dmg which is essentially a crit (and this is the weakest scenario)

b) you swing and HIT and gain one extra attack and CRIT = 300-320% dmg (same for CRIT -> HIT)

c) you swing and CRIT and gain one extra attack and CRIT = 400-440% dmg

d) sword spec can proc off itself still which means i sometimes get 2 and even 3 procs off itself which can be anywhere from 300-700% dmg

the WEAKEST of these 4 scenarios (scenario (a) which is basically = to a crit) happens at least 5% of the time and the other 3 scenarios actually happen more often than scenario a.

basically anyway you look at it with my setup (and most ppls) 5% chance to gain an extra attack comes out to a lot more dps than 5% chance to crit. I probably average 320% dmg gain from that 5% whereas crit would only give me 220%. and since my deepwounds dont stack, the deep wounds dont make a difference since most hte time i crit enough to have a deep wounds already on my target.

[Edited on May 18, 2006 at 3:07 PM. Reason : ]

5/18/2006 2:56:21 PM

the problem with stunlocking a hunter is that once you start prolonging the battle, their pet is going to hurt you enough that if the hunter manages to get help (inevidible in a bg) or a single shot off (sometimes stuns miss) you're fucked. also, as much agility as hunters keep, they dodge a fair amount as well.


also, what exactly is a rogue supposed to do in this dead zone? dance? if we aren't in melee range we can't do anything. I can win almost any fight, using my old spec, if I burn every single cool down and use expensive reagents like blinding powder and thistle tea, but that's kind of broken isn't it? I have to waste my money and run around semi-useless for the majority of the bg to handle 1 guy one on one? Sure, most of the alliance are complete shit on my server and I could hand them their ass with no major cooldowns or reagents but when I roll with the A team, we often end up playing the alliance A team of all bwl/aq40 geared paladins, druids, warriors, and hunters. it feels like all this class is good for is ganking people and stealing someone else's kill when I can take off 30+% of someone's bar with 1 attack.

[Edited on May 18, 2006 at 3:51 PM. Reason : d]

5/18/2006 3:41:54 PM

Quote :

"I don't how much Shrike crits for, but he does it so often that even with all my DoTs, Shadowburning, buffs and 2k-3k SB crits I still couldn't close the gap on him in AQ40."

Well, if you guys cast CoE like your supposed to, my fireballs will crit for around 2.2-2.4k, which translates to ~3200dmg or so once ignite plays out. But yeah, the difference is mages just crit a lot more.

5/18/2006 4:18:03 PM

Quote :

"5% chance to gain an extra attack has multiple scenarios that can happen: a) you swing and HIT and gain one extra attack and HIT = ~200% dmg which is essentially a crit (and this is the weakest scenario) b) you swing and HIT and gain one extra attack and CRIT = 300-320% dmg (same for CRIT -> HIT) c) you swing and CRIT and gain one extra attack and CRIT = 400-440% dmg d) sword spec can proc off itself still which means i sometimes get 2 and even 3 procs off itself which can be anywhere from 300-700% dmg the WEAKEST of these 4 scenarios (scenario (a) which is basically = to a crit) happens at least 5% of the time and the other 3 scenarios actually happen more often than scenario a. basically anyway you look at it with my setup (and most ppls) 5% chance to gain an extra attack comes out to a lot more dps than 5% chance to crit. I probably average 320% dmg gain from that 5% whereas crit would only give me 220%. and since my deepwounds dont stack, the deep wounds dont make a difference since most hte time i crit enough to have a deep wounds already on my target."

You forgot to add the parts where the extra attack can miss, be blocked, parried, dodged, etc.

Sword spec is great for potential burst damage, however I'll take sustained more reliable dps any day.

5/18/2006 4:22:29 PM

sword spec comes out more DPS than axe spec period for me. ive tested it a lot on mobs, in pvp, and pve. my dps and total dmg is always higher with the sword

1) i dont miss

2) how many times do i get blocked in PVP? unles im attacking a 1h/shield pally or a warrior carrrying a flag in wsg basically never

3) dodge (never bothers me when anyone dodges)- thank you for the free overpower..and oh yea the sword spec proc on top of that that just crit

4) ok yea ill give you the parry..altho i dont get parried to often. i get parried way less than i dodge and if im smart im attacking all the clothies around me first thus im basically not getting parried.
and ill allow myself to be parried 1% of the time if it means staying sword spec


and in pve

after 3 weeks of testing my raid dps with sword spec >>> axe spec with the same exact gear and same exact spec (besides swapping the weapon specs) and same exact weapon stats

[Edited on May 18, 2006 at 4:29 PM. Reason : ]

5/18/2006 4:28:06 PM

Let's base this off of 100 damage/hit (for ease of numbers)

a) you swing and HIT and gain one extra attack and HIT = 200

b) you swing and HIT and gain one extra attack and CRIT = 300

c) you swing and CRIT and gain one extra attack and CRIT = 400

Now let's say you swing 100 times and 5% of the time you hit, you get an extra attack. (assuming 200% damage on crits)
13,000 base damage(hits and crits) + 500 (5 hits that the spec procs (2 of which should crit)) = 13,500 damage

Now let's say you swing 100 times and are at 35% crit thanks to the other spec. (assuming 200% damage on crits)
10,000 damage from hits + 3,500 damage from crits = 13,500 damage

and there you are, warriors... your spec doesn't REALLY even matter.

[Edited on May 18, 2006 at 4:36 PM. Reason : ...]

5/18/2006 4:35:36 PM

yea basically. axe spec is def the 2nd best spec and a very close second. my sword doesnt beat it out by a lot but it does beat it. probably because my sword spec can proc on top of itself and usually does more than once in a boss fight so i gain 2-3 extra attacks.

over the course of an entire instance of an entire pvp battleground thats probably where the small difference is made. or against anyone who dodges me the extra attack is nicer because my overpower is basically going to crit anyways so id rather have the chance to gain the extra attack.

i wish the orc racial for 2h axes was a bit better..at least like 1% on the critside or something


[Edited on May 18, 2006 at 4:41 PM. Reason : ]

5/18/2006 4:39:49 PM

new PvP server opened today, but not annouced yet

"Altar of Storms"

Im rolling to it.

5/18/2006 4:54:51 PM

WE

CAST

COE

YOU NON DECURSING TOOLBAGS

<3

5/18/2006 5:30:50 PM

cast cor more pls

5/18/2006 7:23:41 PM

lvl 6 priest

5/18/2006 8:46:46 PM

My lvl 14 priest could kick your lvl 6 priest's ass.

5/18/2006 8:51:07 PM

I dont care what anyone says....a properly played priest can own any rogue, one on one.

That is all.

Bronze affliction kicked my ass tonight too, mail sand to me, kthx.

Quote :

"mass guild break down on shattered hand lately"

A lot of Horde guilds that were raiding BWL got too big and have imploded due to demands on players and leadership. Aftermath went, Emnity went, Drama has been more of an ass than usual, my guild (Myrmidons) are at Nef, tired of wiping, and leadership and players are feeling the same strain. However Horde has been on the up and up. Lots of guilds are farming BWL now, and Hellborn and Transcendence (horde) are far into AQ40. Can't speak too well into detail about alliance however, b/c I quit reading the forums after the gates opening b/c of all the strife w/Drama and everyone else.

[Edited on May 19, 2006 at 1:07 AM. Reason : SH Update.]

5/19/2006 1:00:13 AM

Is there seriously an "Aftermath" horde guild on like every server? I know on both servers I play on that is the top horde guild lol

5/19/2006 3:03:01 AM

Mal'ganis has an Aftermath, they aren't the top but they are good.

5/19/2006 3:46:23 AM

there is an aftermath on most servers yes.

5/19/2006 5:09:08 AM

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/worldofwarcraftexp1/news.html?sid=6151428

Quote :

"GS: What do you have planned in terms of player versus player for the expansion? JK: We're building a PVP objective into every new Outland zone for outdoor world PVP. They're different for each zone. Hellfire Peninsula actually has three objectives that are very close to each other. Picture an outdoor Arathi Basin that's always ongoing. We're going to have some other big announcements that have to do with the PVP system, but that will be closer to launch, so we're not ready to talk about that yet. "

5/19/2006 9:48:21 AM

Quote :

"We're building a PVP objective into every new Outland zone for outdoor world PVP."

fucking sweet.

5/19/2006 10:10:27 AM

I like that Outland will be world PVP enabled... even on the pansy carebear PVE servers.

5/19/2006 10:46:03 AM

There isn't an Aftermath on Stormscale, or at least not one with any noticeable presence.

5/19/2006 11:01:12 AM

Aftermath Ganis has a link to all the other aftermath guilds that have acomplished something.

5/19/2006 11:19:51 AM

^^^ i seriously doubt outland will force you to flag PvP on PvE servers

5/19/2006 11:32:04 AM

^ According to the blizzard folks at E3 it will. I'll try and find the article where I read it.

5/19/2006 11:56:28 AM

Quote :

"Hellfire Peninsula is a PvP Contested Area. Once Horde and Alliance players set foot in this area, you become PvP flagged. Sorta like when you enter the Gurubashi arena in Stranglethorn Vale."

From: http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/382/ (not where I first read that, but it says the same thing)

5/19/2006 12:01:09 PM

ahahahahahhahahhahaha

Lokken's fucked.

5/19/2006 1:19:06 PM

^ lol

5/19/2006 1:22:07 PM

I got to play around with the level 62's at E3. Characters were not flagged automatically but a lot of that stuff was adjusted for the show.

5/19/2006 1:28:17 PM

i dont flag when i go to gurubashi arena. contested areas only apply to PvP servers

lololololollololol

lern2stfu

is hellfire the entire outland area or is it just a section of it, that would make more sense

V ive been all over that stupid arena and never got flagged, guess ill give it another shot

[Edited on May 19, 2006 at 2:00 PM. Reason : *]

5/19/2006 1:53:59 PM

if you go into the pit you get flagged.

thats what they meant

5/19/2006 1:57:27 PM

Hellfire is the entrance to the outlands.

5/19/2006 1:59:50 PM

hellfire is a peninsula in outland

5/19/2006 2:11:50 PM

penisnula

5/19/2006 2:45:33 PM

has anyone ever bought gold? What's a good site to buy from?

5/19/2006 4:13:05 PM

All the time.

igxe, ige, whoever is cheap when you look basically.

5/19/2006 4:51:20 PM

most of them are pretty reliable and rather quick.... wont stay inbusiness being shady.

5/19/2006 5:02:42 PM

IGE is the biggest name in MMO currency sales so if you are worried about getting ripped off then just buy from them. Their prices are not always the best though.

5/19/2006 5:42:26 PM

Dude, don't support the fucking gold sellers.

5/19/2006 10:12:20 PM

why? i know they get a lot of hate, but i've never been spammed by one and they've never bothered me.

in fact, one of the reasons that helped me feel comfortable with it is they just bought out thottbot, which i use all the time - so i might as well support them

5/19/2006 10:13:47 PM

Official Patch notes and PTR for 1.11 is up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5/20/2006 1:09:37 AM

cant say ive ever basically 11 manned onyxia before tonight

5/20/2006 3:09:10 AM

^^ They spam me all the time, they do a lot of price fixing on my server, the inflate the prices of a lot of goods, etc...

5/20/2006 3:11:40 AM

updated PVP rank 12/13 sets being implemented in patch 1.11

Warlock:
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warlock0gm.jpg

Paladin:
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=paladingnewpvp9jg.jpg

Priest:
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=priestpvpnew7po.jpg

Mage:
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magepvpnew1wj.jpg

Hunter:
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hunterpvpnew9nu.jpg

Shaman:
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shamanpvpnew9gw.jpg

Rogue:
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=roguepvpnew0lv.jpg

Druid:
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=druidpvpnew7jg.jpg

Warrior:
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=warriorpvpnew9jq.jpg

and yes the factions are incorrect for some of the pieces due to lootlink. but im pretty confident these are real considering these leaked before the patch notes were released

and the patch notes now say that the gear IS being updated.

heck im actually just gonna wear the entire warrior 12/13 suit now:

5800 HP
28.5% crit zerker (+ sword spec..this is the only stat i lose some on)
950 AP
7% hit

i never thought id be wearing the full warlord gear set based on other helms/shoulders/boots being available in the game but ill have no reason to wear endless rage/chromatic boots/flameguards after 1.11 now. a warrior with warlord set + drake talons, chrom boots, endless rage helm actually gains AP, gains hit, gains over 350 HP, and loses less than 1 crit.

[Edited on May 20, 2006 at 5:37 AM. Reason : ]

5/20/2006 5:37:01 AM

The funniest part is the people who already got HW/GM and lost it, won't be able to get them

5/20/2006 9:29:02 AM

You sure about that? I was Blood Guard and now I dropped to Stone Guard and I can still buy the Blood Guard stuff. It wouldn't make sense for them to change stuff and not allow people who previously attained the rank get the fixed items.

5/20/2006 9:41:27 AM

unless they changed that very recently no you can't you're telling a fib

5/20/2006 11:49:26 AM

Don't think new warr pvp set still better than AQ 2.5. Granted it has crit stats, but I'd take higher str, agil, stam over it for a more rounded equipment build.

5/20/2006 12:00:42 PM

for one im hated with brood but the warlords set has more stats imo.

Warlords set is actually going to have 400 HP MORE than the aq set (including +20stam 2 piece set bonus), more AC(altho once agil is taken into account they will be about the same now), .5% more crit, 1% more hit, much better PVP set bonuses. Warlords will have slightly less str by like 15=30AP, but the set bonus has +40AP so warlord's comes out with 5 more AP as well.

of course the AQ set is amazing for dps/pvp and ill want to pick it up. but this set isnt going to be bad at all now.

and they are UPDATING the stats on the 12/13 gear..just like any other time they update and item. like when they adjusted stats on Bonereaver's edge or chromatic boots.
however the rank 10 sets they worded differently..saying they "added" new rewards or something. so you MIGHT have to reattain rank for the blue set.

[Edited on May 20, 2006 at 12:55 PM. Reason : ]

5/20/2006 12:26:22 PM