I'm not sure if you read what you just posted but in short, it was a summary of modifications being made to make the previously existing policy less restrictive and more accommodating to students by allowing them to transfer (exemption 1) or attend a school with a hybrid model taking more than 1 online class (exemption 3).

Then, of course, they just went much further with this latest announcement(exempting all students?). I posted the old policy so you could use it as a reference to know what the norm was back before you started caring.

7/14/2020 8:19:08 PM

Michigan in 6/23

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"S. colleges and universities received guidance from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) which allows students to continue their Winter 2020 semester courses online without jeopardizing their immigration status. The Student and Visitor Exchange Program (SEVP) has confirmed that “If a school closes temporarily but offers online instruction or another alternative learning procedure, nonimmigrant students should participate in online or other alternate learning procedures and remain in active status in SEVIS.” SEVP also confirmed that international students may take full-time courses online for this semester, either from the U.S. or from abroad. You need to be enrolled full-time, participate in your online courses, and make normal progress toward your degree in order to maintain your immigration status. If you continue to do these things, your SEVIS record and I-20 will remain in active status, regardless of where you are participating in online classes."

https://internationalcenter.umich.edu/covid-19-update-faqs-current-students

7/14/2020 8:28:12 PM

key clause

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"If a school closes temporarily "

also this

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"July 13, 2012 Many U.S. colleges and universities offer online and distance learning classes. While these classes are convenient and offer flexibility, it is important for F and M students to know the rules about these types of classes to maintain status. An online or distance learning class is a class that does not require a student’s physical attendance for classes, exams or other purposes integral to completion of the class. Even though a school may offer these classes, regulations give strict limits to the amount of online or distance learning an F or M student must follow: An M-1 student may not count online or distance education courses toward a full course of study. An F-1 student may only count one online or distance education course without the physical oversight of a school employee (or the equivalent of three credits) toward a full-course of study per academic term. F-1 students may be eligible to take more than one online class to maintain their status as long as the class is physically proctored or monitored by a school employee. English language program students may not count online or distance education courses toward a full course of study."

https://studyinthestates.dhs.gov/2012/07/know-rules-online-and-distance-learning-classes

Was Trump president 12/2015 and 7/13/2012?

7/14/2020 8:41:03 PM

Do you not understand that the relevance is covid? In a normal world requiring in person courses isn't much of an undue burden. 3 weeks ago they said students could take classes, last week they changed it to say they couldn't, everyone sued, this week they went back to previous.

Im finished with this topic.

7/14/2020 8:49:07 PM

not credible

7/14/2020 9:27:38 PM

If it's Goya, it has to be good!

7/15/2020 10:52:31 AM

0% chance Ivanka has ever eaten a Goya product. 1% chance she had heard of Goya before last week

7/15/2020 11:06:52 AM

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"would have been delusional to have expected anything other than failure from our federal government."

aren't you a strong advocate for our federal government to take over and do more?

7/15/2020 11:51:49 AM

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html

Good luck getting accurate covid data now.

7/15/2020 1:03:10 PM

^^Definitely not with the current funding and structure. I think publicly run systems can only work if EVERYONE depends on it.

This distinction plays out in the "medicare for all" vs "medicare for all who want it" debate. I feel like the latter would fail because the wealthy people in charge would not depend on it's success and thus would underfund it.

The government half-assing things that the poor and vulnerable depend on is evidence that this government will fail but that is not evidence that government is inherently prone to failure.

The problem is, the transformation would take years of revisiting goals as well as significant budget reform. You can't just wait until a disaster hits and then snap your fingers and say "ok now I want a well-organized, competent government" after neglecting to fund it for decades. Then get mad and blame one person when potential doesn't materialize out of nowhere.

[Edited on July 15, 2020 at 1:46 PM. Reason : i'd love to run a marathon but if you put me in one today, i'm not gonna win no matter my coach]

7/15/2020 1:44:01 PM

^^ as I understand most people/sites aggregate data from state dashboards which would remain unchanged, no?

Of course anything that Michael Caputo is involved with will be completely untrustworthy so never ever cite any data from HHS but I believe most good data will still be available.

[Edited on July 15, 2020 at 2:17 PM. Reason : C]

7/15/2020 2:17:24 PM

His twitter was definitely hacked. If they got Obama and Biden, they def got Trump. It doesn’t help that his twitter password is “Covefefe!1”

7/15/2020 6:28:01 PM

Bye Brad!

7/15/2020 11:05:41 PM

7/16/2020 1:53:52 AM

A picture is worth a thousand words. I hope that one makes it into future history books. It puts things into context when the president is selling beans from the Oval Office while COVID deaths hurtle toward 150k (will prob be 200k+ by the time it makes into a history book.)

7/16/2020 7:21:47 AM

What in the living fuck is the Goya thing all about? Are they major shareholders or something?

7/16/2020 7:23:38 AM

Their CEO gave a campaign speech for Trump in the Rose Garden last week, some called for boycotts, Trump's sent an intern to the grocery store. That's it if you can believe it.

7/16/2020 7:43:24 AM

jesus christ

7/16/2020 8:06:23 AM

https://twitter.com/asmith83/status/1283760339780284417?s=21

This is noise in the grand scheme of things but it’s wild to think back to 2016 and how many people really thought Trump was serious about “draining the swamp.” There were actual leftists on this very site commending Donald John Trump on this part of his platform. Donald god damn Trump. Just absolutely wild.

[Edited on July 16, 2020 at 9:51 AM. Reason : In comes Earl to white knight for the badly mistreated POTUS shortly!!!]

7/16/2020 9:50:57 AM

The remarkable part is that people assumed he was a business genius because he had a television show and because he simply told people he was. Never mind any of the actual facts surrounding his career such as where he got his money and the multitude of bankruptcies. Being on TV and just telling people he was somehow got people to vote for him.

Talk about a perfect reason to completely reform how we educate people.

Funny enough - contrast that with the president of Ukraine who is actually taking the job very seriously and is performing it with intellectual rigor.

[Edited on July 16, 2020 at 1:07 PM. Reason : ironic]

7/16/2020 1:06:45 PM

I’m willing to actually cut people some slack. His persona was as a businessman.

Anyone who grew up in the 80s or 90s around NYC as I did knew he was a complete and utter fraud of a businessman but The Apprentice did rehab his image from a national standpoint.

What I will never forgive is the National media who knew what he was spend like 8,000 times more time on every Clinton email than any of Trumps massive history of fraud, deceit and outright corruption.

7/16/2020 1:40:55 PM

Quote :

"What I will never forgive is the National media who knew what he was spend like 8,000 times more time on every Clinton email than any of Trumps massive history of fraud, deceit and outright corruption."

What I won't forgive is the way they dedicated every second of airtime to him, especially during the primaries. You'd be watching CNN "coverage" of a Rubio event, and it would be picture-in-picture while the main screen was an empty stage that Trump was scheduled to be on some time later that day. The asshole wasn't even there, but they bumped all of the serious candidates out of the way to make sure they didn't miss one juicy second.

7/16/2020 1:49:54 PM

Trump did drain the swamp (sorta) but he replaced it with his own personal swamp.

Quote :

"The remarkable part is that people assumed he was a business genius because he had a television show and because he simply told people he was. Never mind any of the actual facts surrounding his career such as where he got his money and the multitude of bankruptcies."

He knows how to work the system. Its not altruistic in any way but his strategies make him really good at working the rules towards self preservation and making money. He's done the same thing with working the rules of checks and balances to feed his base. It has translated because he knows how to get away with everything. If it wasn't working at all, you wouldn't have people talking about how he's a threat to our democracy.


You hold this misconception that bankruptcy is the worst thing that can happen but Trump used those last 3 bankruptcies to increase his bottom line. You can read more about it in this article.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2011/04/29/fourth-times-a-charm-how-donald-trump-made-bankruptcy-work-for-him/#713678507ffa

The same thing with his taxes. Everyone thought revelation of him "losing" hundreds of millions of dollars in several tax years was him being a poor businessman when in reality it was him working the tax system to save money on taxes. He's a master at devaluing his assets for tax value and then he can sell them in bankruptcy and have all sorts of advantages. You can let the government think your real estate is damn near worthless and still sell it for a higher price later.

[Edited on July 16, 2020 at 4:13 PM. Reason : i'll admit i was wrong when he goes to jail or gets removed by the senate]

7/16/2020 4:11:24 PM

Cabinet full of bankers and career govt officials/politicians but sure

7/16/2020 5:04:38 PM

laRrY kUdLoW iS a PoPuLiSt

7/16/2020 6:12:45 PM

Quote :

"He knows how to work the system. Its not altruistic in any way but his strategies make him really good at working the rules towards self preservation and making money. He's done the same thing with working the rules of checks and balances to feed his base. It has translated because he knows how to get away with everything. If it wasn't working at all, you wouldn't have people talking about how he's a threat to our democracy."

I don't disagree with you here. But my comment is a criticism of the voters themselves in this case, not him.

7/16/2020 10:06:10 PM

Earl, can you explain to us all why the fair housing act riffs are not explicitly racist? Also, explain how it is actually expanding his support among suburban women?

[Edited on July 16, 2020 at 10:25 PM. Reason : X]

7/16/2020 10:25:23 PM

Is that a rhetorical question, Charlie?

7/16/2020 10:47:42 PM

Imagine a world where racism doesn't exist. In that world, rejecting any attempts to "fight racism" would not be racist. Most republicans mentally exist in a world where racism is no longer a big issue so you have to use some imagination to understand their reasoning. This means any major attempts to combat racism such as affirmative action are a bigger problem than racism itself. You will often hear them say things like "you're the real racists for saying minorities can't do it without help". In a world without racism, they'd be correct.

Quote :

"can you explain to us all why the fair housing act riffs are not explicitly racist?"

Make no mistake. It is racist and it may be a sly way of backing into perpetuating racism but its definitely not explicitly racist. Explicitly racist would be to say "only white people should be able to move into these places". We aren't very far removed from explicit racism being the norm in this country so its not helpful to call whatever this is "explicit" racism. Pretending Trump is the worst thing ever sanitizes the past.

We are in a place where most people reject explicit racism but also reject the destruction of racist systems. Minneapolis and the George Floyd movement are wonderful indications that we are currently progressing past that but I don't think most of the nation is there yet. Biden certainly isn't and he seems to have a pretty good read on saying what most people want to hear.

Quote :

"Also, explain how it is actually expanding his support among suburban women?"

The purse clutching, manager calling, Karen demographic who went to the suburbs to get away from black people in the first place?

[Edited on July 16, 2020 at 11:08 PM. Reason : HUD policy used to actually be explicitly racist]

7/16/2020 11:05:13 PM

The administration is now using secret police to arrest people who graffiti buildings
https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/#.XxD9y_CwH4w.twitter

7/17/2020 12:17:28 PM

^so disturbing. Where are all of those “muh states rights” Clive Bundy assholes at in Oregon now?




https://www.newsweek.com/zuckerberg-fauci-trump-covid-19-misinformation-facebook-1518549

Quote :

" Zuckerberg Criticizes Trump's Covid-19 Response after Report Finds Facebook Top Source Of Misinformation"

Rats starting to flee the sinking ship?

7/17/2020 8:09:08 PM

Can’t imagine how much crazier things are going to get until the election. Gonna be nuts if tragedy hits RBG.

7/17/2020 8:50:31 PM

Quote :

"not credible"

7/17/2020 9:26:34 PM

Portlander here. Get the hell outta my city trump

7/18/2020 12:51:35 AM

^"Your city" is within the border zone which was not set by Trump. CBP and ICE have been operating at will and the CIA has also been black sites for decades. We accepted it because it was for "our safety" until it wasn't.

The authoritarian police state has been in place for a very long time.

[Edited on July 18, 2020 at 1:14 AM. Reason : Trump didn't create this]

[Edited on July 18, 2020 at 1:15 AM. Reason : but hey those were just "muslim extremists" so it was ok]

[Edited on July 18, 2020 at 1:15 AM. Reason : but hey those were just illegals so it was ok]

7/18/2020 1:12:21 AM

Yeah, we were all ok with all of that. In fact we demanded extrajudicial muslim killings but unfortunately GodKing Trump came along and they all stopped.

Keep fighting the good fight against non-existent strawman arguments that very few, if any, people on here actually hold while continuing to aimlessly defend Trump day after day after day.

7/18/2020 7:20:17 AM

Strawman? "defend trump" is the only strawman here and you're either being intentionally dishonest or saying blaming a cause instead of focusing attention on the most negative effect is somehow supporting the most negative effect.

Is demanding a change to policing after George Floyd a defense of Chauvin? No. Its realizing that although the officer was in the wrong and should go to prison, the conditions and laws made his ability to carry out the murder far too easy and that the same result has been seen time and time again and its reoccurrence is inevitable unless we recognize the underlying causes focus on them.

Is demanding gun control after a mass shooting supporting the shooter? No. Its realizing that although the shooter was in the wrong and should go to prison, the conditions and laws made his ability to carry out the attack far too easy and that the same result has been seen time after time and its reoccurrence is inevitable unless we recognize the underlying causes and take action.

Its not wrong to blame the individual but its not wise to put more of your focus on an individual than than the system and everyone who was involved in creating the conditions that allowed it. This is a situation that is playing out and Trump just happens to be the current president THIS TIME.

[Edited on July 18, 2020 at 9:36 AM. Reason : focus on Trump is defense of authoritarianism more than focus on authoritarianism= defense of trump]

7/18/2020 9:32:49 AM

Quote :

"^"Your city" is within the border zone which was not set by Trump. CBP and ICE have been operating at will and the CIA has also been black sites for decades. We accepted it because it was for "our safety" until it wasn't. "

Remind me which branch of government CBP and ICE are a part of and who is presently in charge of it?

It's perfectly fine to criticize Trump for this.

[Edited on July 18, 2020 at 11:06 AM. Reason : .]

7/18/2020 11:05:10 AM

Well. That was one hell of an interview.

7/19/2020 3:59:20 PM

I'll just wait for you guys to find out which president signed the NDAA that suspended habeas corpus making this type of stuff legal. Should be fun. ^^Its not mutually exclusive. It can be ok to blame Trump and not be ok to only blame Trump at the same time. As you stated, Trump is part of the system and while in control, has perpetuated and expanded previously existing problems.

7/19/2020 8:23:18 PM

Quote :

"It can be ok to blame Trump and not be ok to only blame Trump at the same time."

Then the next step for you to support your own position is to demonstrate that the people/person you are responding to is blaming only Trump.

Until then, you are guilty of a strawman argument, as advertised.

7/19/2020 10:02:45 PM

He is an ass.—G.H.W.Bush

7/20/2020 8:35:57 AM

https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1285239665218531328?s=21

My man is coming for Mondale.

7/20/2020 11:50:30 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/defending-portland-crackdown-trump-pledges-to-deploys-feds-to-chicago-and-other-us-cities-led-by-democrats/2020/07/20/fda42b8a-caaa-11ea-89ce-ac7d5e4a5a38_story.html

7/20/2020 8:55:59 PM

Guess we shouldn't have made fun of Jade Helm.

7/20/2020 9:36:32 PM

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1285520982648729600?s=21

Has there ever been a more pathetic attempt at a campaign?

Just grasping at everything.

7/21/2020 6:29:52 AM

I'd love to know how a payroll tax cut would help anything, even economically

7/21/2020 8:55:01 AM

You mean you don't see the benefit of extra cash in people's hands?

7/21/2020 11:25:34 AM

Minimally, if at all. GOP will never touch the real solution which is sane wealth taxing.

7/21/2020 11:27:13 AM

Quote :

"I'd love to know how a payroll tax cut would help anything, even economically"

Quote :

"You mean you don't see the benefit of extra cash in people's hands?"

Trying to understand both points here.

Payroll tax cut...meaning cutting taxes that business owners pay?

And horosho called that extra cash in peoples hands?

If everything is still shut down, there's no money coming in, so theres no benefit to paying less, they dont have shit anyway. Am I missing the argument for this?

Based on this, i dont see how a payroll tax cut would fix anything, but I could be missing something.

7/21/2020 1:13:48 PM