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"you would probably want reduce target resistance gear. Mainly shadow reducing gear."

As Sandsanta stated, the SR on the adds is already zero, so lesser resistance to shadow should do nothing.

7/20/2006 1:19:21 PM

There's no question about it, it flat out won't.

Not since the CoS nerfs prevented that debuff from dipping SR significantly below 0.

7/20/2006 1:27:14 PM

yep

7/20/2006 8:07:19 PM

2nd twin emps kill
they're easy as hell once you figure out tha fight haha

7/20/2006 9:14:11 PM

http://www.thottbott.com/?i=52764



Nothing like hitting nuetral 2999, then turning in a ton of those rep tokens, getting rep for doing the quest line (which happens to be one of the coolest IMO) and skipping friendly altogether.

Doing the green scepter part right now (nervously waits for boat to Teldrassil). Should do the red part this Tues. when we clear BWL.

7/21/2006 8:59:13 AM

I'm now a tank for Twin Emps.

How the fuck that happened is beyond me.

Fitting irony: I get to pull them every round now (porcha and shrike get this)

7/21/2006 9:07:34 AM

Blood elf Paladins, Dranei shamans. Yes, you did read that right. Confirmed by blue: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=9154678&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard

Gamespot article, its been going down a lot though:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6154421.html

More links aaaaahhhhhhhhh, this is completely fucking insane:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/classcombo.html

[Edited on July 21, 2006 at 1:09 PM. Reason : :]

7/21/2006 12:58:43 PM

thats so gay.

7/21/2006 1:14:07 PM

Having faction specific classes was a neat thing I though. I'm kind of disappointed.

7/21/2006 1:22:41 PM

wow

7/21/2006 1:23:40 PM

The only people this will dissapoint are horde shamans who know they'll never raid again, and alliance in general because now their end game PVE and group PVP advantage is null and void.

[Edited on July 21, 2006 at 1:24 PM. Reason : :]

7/21/2006 1:23:50 PM

Well im looking more forward to Age of conan now.

7/21/2006 1:24:43 PM

any REAL Warcrack player doesnt have time for this TWW shit...too much is affecting your clan, gtfo the wolfweb!

7/21/2006 1:26:54 PM

nah fuck that. that's what the game needed. there was no way to balance them without making shamen/pallies clones of eachother. they tried a few times and never even came close.

on the bright side... we'll finally see if horde has everything they say they do, or if the difference was more than just pallies.

7/21/2006 1:43:44 PM

I guess I'll just bide my time until Warhammer Online is released.

7/21/2006 1:44:19 PM

I dont see how this is at all a dissapointment... i've been begging for this since razorgore.

7/21/2006 1:47:51 PM

Yeah, despite the obvious patchwork story behind it, it's a very good change for the game.

7/21/2006 1:49:57 PM

Undead Dark Paladins would have been cooler

Uther, the scourge of the alliance

[Edited on July 21, 2006 at 1:53 PM. Reason : *]

7/21/2006 1:52:52 PM

No matter what WoW implements..

Pallys are gay

Fin.

7/21/2006 1:57:19 PM

kinda makes me feel like a fucking tool for rerolling alliance to play with some friends ;x oh well... lev 58 tonight

7/21/2006 1:58:56 PM

^^Yeah, but you have to admit, this looks pretty pimp:

7/21/2006 2:00:50 PM

wow

Horde will now wtfpwn all.

7/21/2006 2:02:57 PM

how will they be different ?




[Edited on July 21, 2006 at 2:08 PM. Reason : h]

7/21/2006 2:07:30 PM

oh noes, now the horde can't whine about alliance being easy mode anymore

[Edited on July 21, 2006 at 2:23 PM. Reason : wait, they still get fear ward. continue crying guys.]

7/21/2006 2:22:13 PM

^^^^ That is pretty hot. The my favorite raid armor set, followed by felheart and nemesis.

7/21/2006 2:35:01 PM

dreadnaught >>>> felheart

7/21/2006 3:11:44 PM

Quote :

"oh noes, now the horde can't whine about alliance being easy mode anymore [Edited on July 21, 2006 at 2:23 PM. Reason : wait, they still get fear ward. continue crying guys.]"

haha, go bubble-hearthing or something.

Seriously though, I am kind of dissapointed by this. I liked each faction having their own unique class.

7/21/2006 4:38:55 PM

i fully expect that this is so they can create even more complicated encounters that require both shamns and paladins...

Alliance will never take a Shammy to fight Nef, though. Fuck some shaman calls.

7/21/2006 4:41:19 PM

bring one shammy for WF for MT group ... thats about it

7/21/2006 4:50:05 PM

what a dumbass change for a company known for balancing unique factions

7/21/2006 6:49:28 PM

stupidest thing ive seen blizzard do.
pallies can diaf, they arent a horde class. the ONLY way i could have found this interesting is if they let undead be some sort of dark paladin or deathknight..could have been interesting.

but seriously horde being pallies and alliance being shamans is just extremely retarded and the laziest copout for balancing the game

[Edited on July 21, 2006 at 7:30 PM. Reason : ]

7/21/2006 7:29:47 PM

death knight will be a hero class if they're ever implented.

this does nothing but good for raiding. pallies and shamans could never be balanced. unless they turned shamans into pallies with different spells. IE removing the totem system completely and making our totems blessings in the same fashion.


I'll agree that it is a cop out.. but I dont really think they had any other choice

[Edited on July 21, 2006 at 7:36 PM. Reason : .]

7/21/2006 7:34:56 PM

now you'll just have to find people willing to switch mains to a pally AND level it all the way to 70

7/21/2006 7:56:09 PM

Quote :

"death knight will be a hero class if they're ever implented. this does nothing but good for raiding. pallies and shamans could never be balanced. unless they turned shamans into pallies with different spells. IE removing the totem system completely and making our totems blessings in the same fashion. I'll agree that it is a cop out.. but I dont really think they had any other choice "

They already said the "hero" class is effectively scraped. They're now looking at alternative character advancement options.

7/21/2006 8:11:07 PM

this will mean a month or two of DE'ing shaman set pieces...yay...

7/21/2006 8:44:04 PM

Rumor has it that they are gonna be doing the token system for MC and BWL at some point. My guess is that it will be implemented during the expansion.

7/21/2006 9:13:41 PM

So I guess we got REALLY lucky on post emp pre c'thun trash last week? We one shotted all the pulls and were like, what the fuck were those people talking about?

What do you do when 4 or 5 Mindslayers show up with like 1 warrior?

[Edited on July 21, 2006 at 9:29 PM. Reason : .]

7/21/2006 9:28:43 PM

nah we felt the same way. we didnt whipe to any of the post emps pulls... I'm still not sure what the big deal is :X

7/21/2006 11:50:08 PM

Quote :

"I guess I'll just bide my time until Warhammer Online is released."

7/22/2006 4:10:47 AM

Honestly, people are really making too big a deal of this. Yes, the story behind it was lame and it was a pretty lazy thing to do, but the fact of that matter is that no matter what blizzard did, people were always going to complain about an imbalance between Shamans and Pallies. This is a change that had to happen. Anyone in a serious raiding guild knows this. There was no good way to balance the 2 classes other than essentially making them extremely similar, people were calling for totems that did the exact same things paladin blessings and auras did. Or, make the raid encounters different for horde and alliance, which would have just been silly. This change will allow Blizzard to take each class in different directions and give them wildly different support roles in PVE, rather than striving to make them equal.

7/22/2006 10:09:26 AM

Most , if not all, of the complaining I have seen is from Alliance or people who have a 60 shaman

7/22/2006 12:30:21 PM

This isn't entirely new. A thread about it was on the EJ forums two weeks ago with SS of a judgement geared blood elf. Mixing these two classes cross faction solves a lot of encounter issues for blizzard in that they can now seriously make encounters that require shamans and paladins specifically rather then forcing both to e second teir healers and buffing class.

While this does seem like it reduces the alliances PvE advantages and makes shamans worthless it should be noted that nobody knows what 41 point talents will be as I'm sure they were designed around this fact. The expansion pack seems to seriously beef up Blizzard's ability to make some insane encounters and even more insane story arcs. I'm very curious to see how its going to turn out.

7/22/2006 6:05:50 PM

Quote :

"but the fact of that matter is that no matter what blizzard did, people were always going to complain about an imbalance between Shamans and Pallies."

basically this is the cruxx ofthe issue. there was no way to avoid it. I have a 60 shaman and I'm glad it happend .... granted I've all but abandond him


60 ne druid 60 taurn shaman Looking for guild !!

7/22/2006 6:20:14 PM

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4587-1-anzac-holdem.html

now just gotta get other guild members to dload it

7/23/2006 2:18:15 PM

haha that shit's awesome

7/23/2006 4:06:12 PM

finally, fun fight, easy in concept

7/24/2006 12:46:04 AM

im surprised satori was that low on dps oO normally he blows everyone else out of the water

7/24/2006 1:27:57 AM

lmao World of Borecraft lmao

Play a real man's game.

7/24/2006 7:15:54 AM

Grats on Patchwerks.

You guys downed Faerlina? I find Faerlina to be extremely difficult due to the random bullshit that can happen during that fight. Duplicating Faerlina kill week after week is very difficult. Even guilds that had killed her for 3-4 weeks are still wiping for 3-4 hours before they get a kill.

MC priest can be killed during a MC from rain of fire. MC can break and she enrages. Just a real consumerable heavy fight -- each failed attempt can cost the raid around 200g in consumerables easily.

Also on my server, a lot of the top guilds are merging together -- some have been real successful - jumping up towards the top in terms of raid progression world-wide for naxx. It's like taking the top 30 players of two guilds that have downed C'thun with members loaded up tier 2.5, multiple thunderfury warriors, etc.

7/24/2006 10:19:24 AM

we downed faerlina in like 3 attempts this week, people just gotta not be dumb

Quote :

"im surprised satori was that low on dps oO normally he blows everyone else out of the water"

well Cyrk and Maee can cheat, if they jump into the slime and get to like 20hp right as the fight starts, they can use their beserking to increase attack speed by 30%, instead of the normal 10% if they were at 100%. Cyrk also had 2 shamans, joho, and maee in the same group. GG WF/SOE/GoA. Joho is a beast.

[Edited on July 24, 2006 at 11:16 AM. Reason : .]

7/24/2006 11:12:10 AM