Quote :

"This is another great article from the same site about how the Tsunami occured as a result of an American nuclear warhead at the bottom of the Sumatran Trench. ...Joe Vialis is a brilliant man and we should take everything that he says as fact."

I'm not saying that he is correct on that point, but to show you that it is a possibility....

Tsunami bomb NZ's devastating war secret
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/print.cfm?objectid=14727

Quote :

"Top-secret wartime experiments were conducted off the coast of Auckland to perfect a tidal wave bomb, declassified files reveal."

2/23/2005 12:35:42 PM

If I had a dollar for every asinine military experiment conducted during WWII, I would be a rich rich man. They even considered building aircraft carriers out of ice and wood slurry, as well as bats that could firebomb Japan, to name a few.

Regardless, Vialis argues that an atomic bomb on a fault line would create a 9.0 earthquake, which is one of the most preoposterous things that I have ever read. Vialis is a moron, and you look to him as an authority on world events. Sad.

2/23/2005 2:34:08 PM

Pentagon Casualty Figures Don't Add Up
http://www.rense.com/general63/peen.htm

2/28/2005 10:48:30 AM

Quote :

"Vialis is a moron, and you look to him as an authority on world events. Sad"

welcome to the logic of salisburybot

2/28/2005 10:49:57 AM

US Military: Only a Desperate Idiot Would Join
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1888

Why the U.S. Must Get Out of Iraq, Pronto
http://www.corvusworld.com/getoutnow.htm

Quote :

"Let me say in no uncertain terms, we must get out of Iraq. There is nothing to gain and everything to lose in Iraq. We have lost over four thousand of our military, those who were killed in Iraq and those who died in intransit from Iraq to our hospitals in Germany and in Europe. We have had over 10,000 of our troops wounded. According to a report I heard last night on Frontline on PBS, 1 in 6 of our people coming home from Iraq need mental help."

[Edited on March 5, 2005 at 2:05 PM. Reason : 1]

3/5/2005 1:59:09 PM

U.S. military tries to kill Italian journalist
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=38029

Quote :

"ROME - The companion of freed Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena on Saturday leveled serious accusations at US troops who fired at her convoy as it was nearing Baghdad airport, saying the shooting had been deliberate. "The Americans and Italians knew about (her) car coming," Pier Scolari said on leaving Rome's Celio military hospital where Sgrena is to undergo surgery following her return home. "They were 700 meters (yards) from the airport, which means that they had passed all checkpoints." The shooting late Friday was witnessed by Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's office which was on the phone with one of the secret service agents, said Scolari. "Then the US military silenced the cellphones," he charged. "Giuliana had information, and the US military did not want her to survive," he added. When Sgrena was kidnapped on February 4 she was writing an article on refugees from Fallujah seeking shelter at a Baghdad mosque after US forces bombed the former Sunni rebel stronghold. "

3/7/2005 10:33:55 AM

So if she had information worth killing for, why hasn't she come forward with it? If I had important info and someone tried to kill me for it, I would be even more emboldened to share it with the world.

3/7/2005 10:44:45 AM

U.S. Military Probing Rules at Iraq Checkpoints

Quote :

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - As part of the probe of the killing of an Italian intelligence officer, the U.S. military is investigating procedures at tense military checkpoints in Iraq (news - web sites), an American general said Tuesday. "I have actually asked my subordinate commander to go back and look at all the checkpoint incidents for the last six months to see what we can draw from those to help us out," Gen. George Casey told reporters at a Pentagon (news - web sites) briefing. The comments by Casey, commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, followed the incident involving Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena, who was injured by U.S. troops as the security officer accompanying her was killed. The two were fired upon as they drove toward Baghdad airport last Friday after she was freed by hostage takers. "That (rules of engagement) will be part of the investigation that's going on," the general said. Some Iraqis have angrily accused U.S. troops of being too quick to shoot at checkpoints because of the danger from would-be assassins driving bomb-laden automobiles. A number of innocent civilians have died because they failed to stop or committed some other error on approaching troops. Italian officials have also said that Italy informed the United States that Sgrena was free, and the killing of the security officer has strained ties between the United States and Italy, which has been one of President Bush (news - web sites)'s staunchest allies in Europe over the war in Iraq. But Casey said he personally had no indication whether Italy had told the United States that the journalist was free before U.S. troops fired on her car. "I personally do not have any indication of that, even on a preliminary basis," he told reporters. "I would hope so." The U.S. military has said its soldiers fired on the Italians' car after it approached a checkpoint and failed to heed signals to slow down. But in a detailed reconstruction, Italian Foreign Minister Gianfranco Fini insisted in Rome Tuesday that the Italians had been driving slowly and had received no warning. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=578&e=4&u=/nm/20050308/pl_nm/iraq_italy_usa_dc

3/9/2005 6:04:11 AM

'Ramadi Madness': Video of U.S. troops abusing Iraqi civilians
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/epaper/2005/03/06/m16a_videoscene_0305.html

Quote :

"The 26-minute, 47-second video is a compilation of scenes in Iraq captured by members of the West Palm Beach-based Bravo Company, 1st Battalion, 124th Infantry Regiment. The scenes range from routine to poignant to macabre."

Flashback...

Video: Instead of hunting for the WMDs, soldiers kill time destroying the property of Iraqis
http://www.killsometime.com/Video/video.asp?video=Dont-Loot

The "Freedom" continues to spread!

[Edited on March 9, 2005 at 3:15 PM. Reason : 1]

3/9/2005 3:12:46 PM

Report: Iraq intelligence 'dead wrong'
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/03/31/intel.report/

Where did that "intelligence" come from? Read this article...

Iraq:The Trail of Disinformation
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/trailofdisinformation.html

Israeli Spying in America
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/motherofallscandals.html

[Edited on March 31, 2005 at 3:17 PM. Reason : 4]

3/31/2005 3:12:50 PM

I can't believe that you posted a link to CNN. Don't you know that it's the mouthpiece of the Jews and the elite?

3/31/2005 3:18:41 PM

Quote :

"it's the mouthpiece of the Jews and the elite"

True, but even they admit the truth every now and then.

3/31/2005 3:26:07 PM

Quote :

"every now and then."

You mean when you choose to believe them?

So basically, you will agree with anything that doesn't contradict you? Isn't that a ridiculously subjective way of interpreting the world?

[Edited on March 31, 2005 at 3:45 PM. Reason : gay jew neocon illegal alien orgy]

3/31/2005 3:30:07 PM

4/1/2005 12:59:18 AM

Quote :

"THE WAR AGAINST ISLAM In a recent essay, philosophy professor Joseph Lawrence observed that in Iraq, "America is at war not with international terrorism, not with Iraqi insurgents, not with Islamic fundamentalism - but with Islam itself, a world religion rendered problematic by its failure to honor the distinction between church and state, a failure that makes reconciliation with the secular order of modernity impossible... While Bush has consistently maintained that the war on terror is not a war on Islam, it is important to know that many of his most vocal supporters disagree. Central to their viewpoint is the idea that, because Islam never had a "reformation" comparable to the emergence of Protestant Christianity in the16th century, it is necessarily anti-democratic and incapable of functioning in the modern world." What we call "secular" is in fact, Luciferianism, a religion of Satan worship. This fact is hidden under a facade of tolerance of all religions. But this tolerance disguises an active hostility (i.e. intolerance) of genuine religions like Christianity and Islam that assert a supreme moral force in the universe called God. Luciferians work to infiltrate and destroy these religions. (see my "Is the Pope Catholic?") Luciferians assert the supremacy of human reason, which is mostly self-interest with spin. Reason divorced from an objective morality is meaningless. The attack on the World Trade Center was perpetrated by the Masonic financial elite to justify a police state and a war on Islam. The political and cultural elites know this and are accomplices. They spent more money investigating Monica Lewinsky than 9-11. The War on Iraq is really about destroying God-fearing Muslims. Again, the devil's face is behind current events. Paul Wolfowitz, the architect of the Iraq war gets the Presidency of the World Bank, another institution dedicated to globalization, i.e. centralizing wealth and power in the hands of the London-based financial elite. http://www.savethemales.ca/000869.html"

4/4/2005 12:31:32 PM

Quote :

"STOP THE INSANITY...."

4/4/2005 12:42:23 PM

The Daily Show: W.M. Duh
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2005/070405perspective.htm

Quote :

"How many times does our government need to tell us they're incompetent before we believe?"

[Edited on April 7, 2005 at 11:28 AM. Reason : 2]

4/7/2005 11:27:18 AM

Salisburyboy just linked the Daily Show?

I'm in shock that he would cite a show that is both a mainstream source and hosted by a Jew.

4/7/2005 11:32:16 AM

U.S. military executing its own soldiers who protest the slaughter of Iraqi civilians?

304 U.S. soldiers ordered killed by Pentagon in Iraq
http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=4/6/2005&Cat=4&Num=018

Quote :

"TEHRAN (MNA) – About 304 recalcitrant U.S. soldiers have been killed by the Pentagon’s special team, intelligence sources in Iraq have revealed. The sources quoted high-ranking U.S. officers as saying that since the U.S. occupation of Iraq in March 2003 more than 304 U.S. military forces have been executed in spurious clashes at the behest of army commanders and with the knowledge of the Pentagon. The bodies of these soldiers have been sent to their families and announced as forces who have been killed in the fight against terrorists, the Mehr News Agency correspondent in southern Iran has learnt. The soldiers ordered killed were mainly among those who suffered mental disorders and protested against the massacre of Iraqi civilians and asked “Who were they fighting for”."

[Edited on April 12, 2005 at 10:31 AM. Reason : 3]

4/12/2005 10:21:44 AM

http://www.megastar.co.uk/movienews/news/2005/04/12/sMEG01MTExMzMwODE5Nzg.html

Quote :

"Jen breaks her silence Daisy Kay Jen will I be famous? You already are, dear After Brad Pitt said the rumours about him and Angelina Jolie were baloney, Jennifer Aniston has decided two can play that game. No, not a game of naked twister with Jolie; that would just be a lie. Jen has confessed that her marriage to one of the sexiest men on the planet made her feel too insecure. "Marriage brought up all the kinds of things I pushed to the back-burner - the fear, the mistrust, the doubts, and the insecurities," Aniston blabbed to Heat magazine, giving Darren Day a break from their front cover. "Brad is the kindest person I know and the sweetest goofball on the planet. He helps you with your chair and restaurants and opens the car door for you.”"

AGAIN ANOTHER SATAN/NICE GUY MEDIA COVERAGE.

THE SATANIC MEDIA IS TRYING TO BRAINWASH ALL OF YOU

4/12/2005 10:28:19 AM

Record Number Iraqis Jailed Without Charge
http://www.themercury.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,12817613%5E401,00.html

Quote :

"UNITED States and Iraqi forces are holding a record 17,000 men and women - most without being formally charged - and with those in Iraqi-controlled jails living often in deplorable conditions, said US and Iraqi officials. About two-thirds are locked up as “security detainees” without any formal charges in US-run facilities, Lieutenant Colonel Guy Rudisill, the US military spokesman for Iraqi detention operations, told AFP. The rest are incarcerated in Iraqi-run jails in conditions that fall well below any international standard and are in dire need of reform, said Bakhtiar Amin, Iraq's outgoing human rights minister. “None of the Iraqi detention centres meet international standards for cleanliness, food and the treatment of prisoners."

HOLDING PEOPLE IN PRISON WITHOUT HAVING CHARGED THEM WITH ANY CRIME IS "FREEDOM"!!!

LET'S SPREAD THE FREEDOM!!!!

CAN WE HAVE THIS KIND OF "FREEDOM" BACK HERE IN AMERICA?!

[Edited on April 12, 2005 at 10:31 AM. Reason : 2]

4/12/2005 10:28:48 AM

http://www.nbc4i.com/entertainment/4359314/detail.html

Quote :

"Brad Pitt speaks up By FROM NEWS SERVICES 04/07/2005 PITT SPEAKS UP: Show-Me state alumnus Brad Pitt is among the A-list celebrities featured in new public service announcements for a campaign to fight poverty and AIDS. Pitt, who visited Africa, said he was struck by how extreme poverty there has made it difficult for the sick to gain access to AIDS drugs. "I've seen it, I've been there, and to walk away from it and turn my back makes me culpable," he said. "And I can't do that." A 60-second ad will air Sunday night on various networks and cable channels. Other celebs featured include Jewel, Penelope Cruz, Tom Hanks, Mos Def, Al Pacino and Jamie Foxx. BE THERE OR BE SQUARE: Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles plan to celebrate their wedding Saturday with 800 of their closest friends and family - the usual crowd of kings, queens and movie stars. Friends will outnumber family. Charles' mother, Queen Elizabeth II, is staying away to keep the event "low key." But there'll be plenty of royalty, including Crown Prince Haakon and Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway; Dutch Prince Constantijn and his wife, Princess Laurentien; and the former king of Greece, Constantine, and his wife Anne-Marie. Prime Minister Tony Blair and opposition leaders Michael Howard and Charles Kennedy head a list of elite British politicians. Entertainers include ribald comedian Joan Rivers, a friend of the couple, as well as Joanna Lumley, best known for playing gin-soaked aging model Patsy on "Absolutely Fabulous." Also invited are actors Kenneth Branagh and Richard E. Grant, "Rumpole of the Bailey" author John Mortimer and veteran broadcaster David Frost. Figures from the music world include Jools Holland, former keyboard player in 1980s band Squeeze, and actress Trudi Styler, wife of superstar Sting. Shakespearean actor Timothy West will read verses from Wordsworth at the blessing. Also on the guest list is his wife, Prunella Scales (Sybil Fawlty in 1970s sitcom "Fawlty Towers"), who has made a specialty of royal roles. She played Charles' great-great-great grandmother in the acclaimed one-woman stage show "An Evening with Queen Victoria." And she played Charles' mother in "A Question of Attribution," a 1992 television adaptation of Alan Bennett's play. So she's like kin. For those who haven't received invitations yet (probably lost in the mail), you can still catch the royal knot-tying on the tube. CNN begins its coverage at 5 a.m., with ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox News Channel and MSNBC jumping in at 6 a.m. ELTON GIVES THUMBS UP TO EMINEM: Elton John rates Eminem on par with Jimi Hendrix and Mick Jagger in the new issue of Rolling Stone. The rapper is listed in the magazine's second "Immortals" edition, featuring another 50 of the greatest figures of rock 'n' roll with appreciations written by other artists. In his immortalizing of Eminem, John writes that he got goose bumps when he first rehearsed with him for their performance at the 2001 Grammy Awards. "From the start, I've always admired Eminem's thinking," John writes. "That's the reason I wanted to appear on the Grammys with him when I was asked, despite all the nonsense talked about his being homophobic. Let the Boy Georges and the George Michaels of the world get up in a twist about it if they don't have the intelligence to see his intelligence." MR. LAS VEGAS IS MOVING: Wayne "Danke Schoen" Newton is leaving the Stardust hotel-casino, where he has been performing since 1999. Newton's last show there will be April 20. The 63-year-old crooner didn't say where he'll go after the Stardust, but speculation centered on the Hilton hotel-casino, where his television show was filmed. "

HERE WE CAN SEE IRRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS AN UNDERGROUND MOVEMENT OF GAYS TO OVERTHROW THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT.

IF YOU FOLD A DOLLAR BILL INTO A PAPER CRANE THE SAME MESSAGE WILL APPEAR

4/12/2005 10:35:26 AM

1) So America introduced prisons to Iraq?

2) Why could you only find this in a regional Tasmanian newspaper?

4/12/2005 10:36:26 AM

4/12/2005 10:42:28 AM

No, no, no...



THAT is the face of tyranny.

4/12/2005 10:45:39 AM

Pentagon plans propaganda war
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1830500.stm

Quote :

"The Pentagon is toying with the idea of black propaganda. As part of George Bush's war on terrorism, the military is thinking of planting propaganda and misleading stories in the international media. A new department has been set up inside the Pentagon with the Orwellian title of the Office of Strategic Influence. It is well funded, is being run by a general and its aim is to influence public opinion abroad. "

We can't have people knowing the TRUTH about all these wars, now can we?

[Edited on April 18, 2005 at 11:49 AM. Reason : 1]

4/18/2005 11:47:11 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/03/iraq.poll/index.html

Quote :

"Poll: Most in U.S. say Iraq war not worthwhile Tuesday, May 3, 2005 WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A majority of Americans do not believe it was worth going to war in Iraq, according to a national poll released Tuesday. Fifty-seven percent of those polled said they did not believe it was worth going to war, versus 41 percent who said it was, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of 1,006 adults. That was a drop in support from February, when 48 percent said it was worth going to war and half said it was not. It's also the highest percentage of respondents who have expressed those feelings and triple the percentage of Americans who said that it was not worth the cost shortly after the war began about two years ago."

More and more people are waking up to the truth.

[Edited on May 4, 2005 at 8:40 AM. Reason : 2]

5/4/2005 8:38:36 AM

More and more people are waking up to the truth. don't like war.

How many of those people polled said "I don't like the war because I've realized that its all in the interests of our satanic jew overlords."?

Besides, why would the elitist jew media release this info if it would hurt their war effort?

5/4/2005 9:44:30 AM

http://mparent7777.blog-city.com/read/1247521.htm

Quote :

"Puppet “human rights ministry” documents cases of US soldiers raping Iraqi boys. The puppet so-called “minister of human rights” in the US-installed “Iraqi regime” on Tuesday lifted the veil on a report that states that a number of US occupation troops raped Iraqi youths ranging in age from 15 to 17 years in the city of at-Tarimiyah, north of Baghdad in February. The report was released in a press conference in Baghdad attended by a correspondent for Mafkarat al-Islam. The report quoted Dr. ‘Umar ad-Dulyami, one of the officials in the puppet ministry, as saying that seven families of youths came forward with complaints to the puppet “Iraqi” government, but that they were ignored. Dr. ad-Dulaymi said that four of the boys were killed by the occupation soldiers after they were raped, noting that that finding was based on a forensic examination of the bodies in at-Tarimiyah Government Hospital. A spokesman for the puppet ministry told Mafkarat al-Islam that there were dozens of such cases in which US troops raped Iraqi boys and youths. He said that one case had been registered in Baghdad, in which he said that a number of US soldiers led a boy away as he was coming out of school. They took him to their armored vehicle and raped him inside."

The atrocities U.S. troops are committing against the Iraqi people is absolutely sickening. Instances such as this and what has leaked out of Abu Ghraib are probably just the tip of the iceberg. Try to remove your natural American bias and try to imagine how the rest of the world must view America. How would we feel if Chinese troops invaded America, occupied it for over two years, slaughtered tens of thousands of civilians, raped women and young boys, and tortured people in prisons?


[Edited on May 4, 2005 at 11:50 PM. Reason : 2]

5/4/2005 11:44:46 PM

U.S. death toll in Iraq significantly higher than being reported
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/52345

Quote :

"U.S. Military Personnel who died in German hospitals or en route to German hospitals have not previously been counted. They total about 6,210 as of 1 January, 2005. The ongoing, underreporting of the dead in Iraq, is not accurate. The DoD is deliberately reducing the figures. A review of many foreign news sites show that actual deaths are far higher than the newly reduced ones. Iraqi civilian casualties are never reported but International Red Cross, Red Crescent and UN figures indicate that as of 1 January 2005, the numbers are just under 100,000. Note: There is excellent reason to believe that the Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq. We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The educated rumor is that the actual death toll is in excess of 7,000. Given the officially acknowledged number of over 15,000 seriously wounded, this elevated death toll is far more realistic than the current 1,400+ now being officially published. When our research is complete, and watertight, we will publish the results along with the sources. In addition to the evident falsification of the death rolls, at least 5,500 American military personnel have deserted, most in Ireland but more have escaped to Canada and other European countries, none of whom are inclined to cooperate with vengeful American authorities. (See TBR News of 18 February for full coverage on the mass desertions) This means that of the 158,000 U.S. military shipped to Iraq, 26,000 either deserted, were killed or seriously wounded. The DoD lists currently being very quietly circulated indicate almost 9,000 dead, over 16,000 seriously wounded and a large number of suicides, forced hospitalization for ongoing drug usage and sales, murder of Iraqi civilians and fellow soldiers , rapes, courts martial and so on – "

6/7/2005 1:37:29 PM

Its from a Russian website that provides absolutely no sources for its information.

Why do you believe this, salisburyboy? It agrees with your rantings so it must be true?

6/7/2005 2:02:13 PM

http://www.rense.com/general66/iri.htm

Quote :

"Americans Losing Faith In Iraq War, Says Poll By Alec Russell The Telegraph - UK 6-9-5 Most Americans now believe the war in Iraq has not made them safer, an opinion poll has found. The rise in violence last month, when 700 Iraqis and 80 US troops were killed, appears to have made a mark at home with the Washington Post/ABC News survey finding that two thirds of Americans believe the US is bogged down in Iraq. Three quarters of those questioned also said the number of casualties was unacceptable. Six in 10 respondents believed the war was not worth fighting and four in 10 saw a parallel with Vietnam. The Bush administration continues to insist that it is winning and that the insurgency is on its last legs. However, the military is increasingly concerned over the signs of public uncertainty. For the first time since the invasion, the poll found that 52 per cent of Americans did not believe it had made America safer. Sen Joe Biden, a leading Democratic supporter of the war, said that if there was not significant progress within a year he doubted he could go on backing the presence of US troops in Iraq. Jimmy Carter, the former president, yesterday called for the closure of the Guantanamo Bay detention centre and for an end to the US policy of transferring prisoners to countries where they might be tortured. "

6/11/2005 1:03:24 AM

Quote :

"Its from a Russian website that provides absolutely no sources for its information. Why do you believe this, salisburyboy? It agrees with your rantings so it must be true?"

I can't find any evidence of more dead than what's been reported, but I did find an old news story about the possible underreported wounded.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/19/60minutes/main656756.shtml

Quote :

"How many injured and ill soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines - like Chris Schneider - are left off the Pentagon’s casualty count? Would you believe 15,000? 60 Minutes asked the Department of Defense to grant us an interview. They declined. Instead, they sent a letter, which contains a figure not included in published casualty reports: "More than 15,000 troops with so-called 'non-battle' injuries and diseases have been evacuated from Iraq." Many of those evacuated are brought to Landstuhl in Germany. Most cases are not life-threatening. In fact, some are not serious at all. But only 20 percent return to their units in Iraq. Among the 80 percent who don’t return are GIs who suffered crushing bone fractures; scores of spinal injuries; heart problems by the hundreds; and a slew of psychiatric cases. None of these are included in the casualty count, leaving the true human cost of the war something of a mystery. "It's difficult to estimate what the total number is," says John Pike, director of a research group called GlobalSecurity.org. As a military analyst, Pike has spoken out against both Republican and Democratic administrations. He’s weighed all the available casualty data and has made an informed estimate that goes well beyond what the Pentagon has released. "You have to say that the total number of casualties due to wounds, injury, disease would have to be somewhere in the ballpark of over 20, maybe 30,000," says Pike. His calculation, striking as it is, is based on the military's own definition of casualty – anyone "lost to the organization," in this case, for medical reasons. And Pike believes it’s no accident that the military reports a number far lower than his estimate. "The Pentagon, I think, is afraid that they're going to lose public support for this war, the way they lost public support for Vietnam back in the 1960s," says Pike. "And minimizing the apparent cost of the war, I think, is one way that they're hoping to sustain public support here at home." "

6/11/2005 1:12:15 AM

I love how salisburyboy's propaganda doesn't convince a single person. This just goes to show, a tiny amount of truth can negate boat-loads of lies and deceits.

6/11/2005 1:55:45 AM

if we were to stop the insanity, we'd have to shoot you, salisburybot

6/11/2005 2:24:44 AM

And yet not a single person here can justify the war in Iraq?

Terrorists? World is full of em. "OMFG TERRORISTS OH NOES. Fuck em. Who cares" /30thANNz reply

Liberation from tyranny?

Hmmm. 1 of what 30 countries that qualify around the world?

Oil?

Probably would have been cheaper to mine Alaska, invest in alternate energy, and wait for Saddam to die.

I mean really, why are our military resources being taxed and our global image shat on?

6/11/2005 2:53:31 AM

because:






[Edited on June 11, 2005 at 3:33 AM. Reason : pr0n]

6/11/2005 3:25:59 AM

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1650822,00.html

Quote :

"Ministers were told of need for Gulf war ‘excuse’ June 12, 2005 London Times Michael Smith MINISTERS were warned in July 2002 that Britain was committed to taking part in an American-led invasion of Iraq and they had no choice but to find a way of making it legal. The warning, in a leaked Cabinet Office briefing paper, said Tony Blair had already agreed to back military action to get rid of Saddam Hussein at a summit at the Texas ranch of President George W Bush three months earlier. The briefing paper, for participants at a meeting of Blair’s inner circle on July 23, 2002, said that since regime change was illegal it was “necessary to create the conditions” which would make it legal."

These incriminating memos to people in the British goverment surrounding the war in Iraq are being widely reported in Europe, but are receiving very little attention in the U.S. mainstream media. This is the London Times people. So, the Bush Administration was already committed to go to war in Iraq at least by July of 2002. And the stories about weapons of mass destruction were just lies because an excuse or pretext was needed for the war. Not that most people with half a brain didn't already know this, but it's nice to see the mainstream press admit it.


[Edited on June 13, 2005 at 6:06 PM. Reason : 2]

6/13/2005 6:02:57 PM

*OLD*

6/13/2005 6:04:53 PM

^
lame

and useless

except for perhaps post-padding

Oh, and the article is dated June 12, 2005. Hardly that old.

[Edited on June 13, 2005 at 6:07 PM. Reason : 1]

6/13/2005 6:06:54 PM

yes, but the allegations are fucking OLD. HELLO! DOWNING STREET MEMO! HELLO!

6/13/2005 6:08:05 PM

http://interestalert.com/brand/siteia.shtml?Story=st/sn/06130000aaa04f9f.upi&Sys=siteia&Fid=FRONTPAG&Type=News&Filter=Front%20Page

Quote :

"U.S. poll shows lowest Iraq support ever WASHINGTON, June 13 (UPI) -- A Gallup poll published Monday shows U.S. support for the war in Iraq is at its lowest level, with nearly 60 percent of respondents favoring troop cutbacks. For the first time, a majority said they would be "upset" if President George Bush sent more troops, while a new low, 36 percent, say troop levels should be maintained or increased. "We have reached a tipping point," Ronald Spector, a military historian at George Washington University told USA Today. "Even some of those who thought it was a great idea to get rid of Saddam (Hussein) are saying, 'I want our troops home.'""

Well, you can only sell bullshit and lies to people for so long before they wake up to what's really going on.

6/13/2005 6:28:13 PM

i know. when will the media shut up?

6/13/2005 6:31:12 PM

Alright.... STOP....


Stop with the conspiracy theories and kneejerk reactions for two seconds. If you've read anything on this thread you'd realize nothing constructive is being put forth. We are effectively spewing out the same garbage crazy liberals and stupid conservatives have been lobbing at each other for the past 3 years. In case you hadn't noticed, this kind of "debate" hasn't gotten us anywhere.

Consider the situation. We have thousands of American soldiers dead, more dying every day. The majority of the world, including most of the prominent western powers, all condemn or at least refuse to support our decision to invade Iraq. All the reasons to go into Iraq have been proven false. When one reason failed the gounds for war simply shifted. Please tell me I'm not the only one who noticed this.

We were told the war would be over in months. We were told the war would cost us a few billion dollars after profits from cheap oil. We were told causualties would be minimal. We were told Iraq was an immediate threat. We were told Iraq was an ally of Al Qaida. It was all bullshit.

Somehow the Bush Administration avoided taking responsibility for all this, which is stupid. The intelligence may have been faulty, but it was THEIR decision to make. I don't blame people for their mistakes, but I DO ask that they pay for them. I find it disgraceful how the Bush Administration as a whole refuses to admit their mistake, but then again it is politics.

So what now? Looking at the situation logically, we CAN'T pull root and leave now. John Kerry said this himself. All we can hope to accomplish now is to establish a stable government for Iraq to flourish in. We can hope it happens quickly so we can withdraw our troops and monetary assistance.

This is what liberal conspiracists don't seem to grasp. Even if their right, and a new administration were put in office, what would they do differently? We still need to rebuild Iraq and restore order until the new government gets its feet under it. Bringing the troops back now is pointless. Yes the war was dumb and we should have never done it, but the past is over. All the matters now is saving what little face we have left.


That is all...

[Edited on June 15, 2005 at 10:43 AM. Reason : rfhb]

6/15/2005 10:41:23 AM

Hersh: children raped at Abu Ghraib, Pentagon has videos
http://www.infowars.com/articles/iraq/hersh_children_raped_at_abu_ghraib.htm

Quote :

"From Daily Kos' partial transcript of a video (link to REAL stream) of Seymour Hersh speaking at an ACLU event. He says the US government has videotapes of children being raped at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. "Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out.""

6/17/2005 6:19:20 PM

Why can't he provide the video? It usually helps when you can back up your wild accusations with some sort of evidence.

6/17/2005 8:48:59 PM

http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=8&id=340806

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"Bush says U.S. is in Iraq because of 9-11 Sunday, June 19, 2005 WASHINGTON — U.S. President George W Bush on Saturday defended the war in Iraq, telling Americans the United States was forced into war because of the Sept 11 terror strikes. Bush also resisted calls for him to set a timetable for the return of thousands of U.S. troops deployed in Iraq, saying Iraqis must be able to defend their own country before U.S. soldiers can be pulled out. "We went to war because we were attacked, and we are at war today because there are still people out there who want to harm our country and hurt our citizens," Bush said in his weekly radio address."

Is it the WMDs, getting rid of Saddam, "spreading the freedom", 9/11, or some combination of these issues? Or is the real reason something else?

[Edited on June 20, 2005 at 7:31 PM. Reason : 1]

6/20/2005 7:28:52 PM

Quote :

"some combination of these issues? "

you finally get it

6/20/2005 7:31:10 PM

Quote :

"Is it the WMDs, getting rid of Saddam, "spreading the freedom", 9/11, or some combination of these issues?"

Yes, heaven forbid that anyone give more than a single reason for the Iraq war. This must be more proof of the globalist-jew-homosexual-satanic-pedophile-illegal alien-WTC destroying-Schiavo killing-Michael Jackson liberating-Hunter S. Thompson suiciding-Catholic child molesting conspiracy. Am I right?

6/20/2005 7:51:04 PM

Quote :

" Yes, heaven forbid that anyone give more than a single reason for the Iraq war. "

yeah, what's really cool is when one set of reasons turns out to be complete fabrication, that you have a few more sets to fall back on.

pretty slick, really. you gotta hand it to those guys.

6/21/2005 1:20:05 AM