i really don't see a problem with congress spending time on college football. while it's not really the government's place to mess with it, it impacts a ton of people, accounts for billions of dollars, and is a pretty hot topic. maybe the ncaa should get their shit together...

either way the bcs is full of fail.

12/10/2009 2:34:33 PM

Bills like this take very little time to write up and pass quickly. It's the "more important things" that get tied up in Congress forever amidst endless partisan bickering. So I don't see a problem with a bill like this, it'll be over and done with in no time.

[Edited on December 10, 2009 at 2:58 PM. Reason : ...]

12/10/2009 2:58:31 PM

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"So I guess the NCAA BB regular season doesn't matter?"

Pretty much.

Does it matter that UNC has lost twice? Not really. Does it matter that the San Diego Chargers have lost three times in a 16 game season? Nope.

It's more fun to watch Ohio State/Michigan in the middle of the year when both teams HAVE to win.

[Edited on December 10, 2009 at 4:06 PM. Reason : :]

12/10/2009 4:05:45 PM

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"Pretty much."

Except for the fact that seeding has a big impact on how you do in the tournament. But other than that, yeah.

12/10/2009 4:47:18 PM

If they keep the number of teams in the playoffs to something reasonable, and do something like "a max of 2 teams per conference (the conf. champs and one at-large) then the regular season will mean just as much, maybe even more so because all of these shit conferences will have something to play for aside from their garbage conference title

12/10/2009 4:51:54 PM

why is there alway that one person who just has to defend an idea, despite it being absolutely horrible? NO ONE IS SAYING A PLAYOFF IS PERFECT, BUT IT'S SURE AS SHIT BETTER THAN THE BULLSHIT WE'RE BEING SUBJECTED TO CURRENTLY

12/10/2009 4:58:49 PM

I disagree.

12/10/2009 5:01:31 PM

8 teams...6 BCS Conference Champs...best Non BCS conference champ....one at large

1)Alabama vs 8) Ohio State

2)Texas vs 7) Georgia Tech

3)Cincinnati vs 6) Oregon

4)TCU vs 5) Florida




First Round:

One game Thursday December 17th...One game Friday December 18th...Two games Saturday December 19th

Second Round:

Two games Saturday December 26th

Championship game:

Saturday January 2nd


Sprinkle all the bullshit bowls inbetween....boom, everyone's happy

12/10/2009 5:03:31 PM

^^ so is your whole thing that the regular season becomes less meaningful? i mean playoff positioning is pretty damn important if you get a higher seed and home field advantage, plus you don't necessarily get fucked by losing a game

12/10/2009 5:05:28 PM

No home field advantage

Have the games replace the Cotton, Fiesta, Orange, Rose, Sugar, Citrus and papajohns.com bowls, and rotate the rounds among those sites

12/10/2009 5:08:18 PM

^^^ he hasnt been that dead on since that time he came out of the closet at the family reunion

[Edited on December 10, 2009 at 5:09 PM. Reason : d]

12/10/2009 5:09:23 PM

^^ eh, from a financial standpoint it'd make more sense for home field wouldn't it? i mean i figure there's gonna have to be concessions made to ensure that the games sell out, and i can't see penn state fans traveling to new orleans, and then to pasadena (for example)

12/10/2009 5:14:12 PM

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"^^ so is your whole thing that the regular season becomes less meaningful? i mean playoff positioning is pretty damn important if you get a higher seed and home field advantage, plus you don't necessarily get fucked by losing a game"

No it's not my "whole thing."

I also like watching bowl games, and like watching the Ohio's and the MTSU's play in the only nationally televised game they'll ever play.

I also think adding weeks to a season in a league of what are supposed to be students is silly.

I understand that playoff seeding would still be important, but there is no doubt that the current best regular season in sports would be rendered less important, and I don't think adding a playoff to keep the Boise States of the world happy is worth that. There are too many great matchups during the regular season (that are literally must wins for each team if they want to stay in the hunt) that would not matter quite as much. College Football is the only sport like this, and I prefer it. A playoff will definitely also just create more pissed off teams, whether they plan to quell that or not.

12/10/2009 5:15:40 PM

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"16 teams, 11 conf champs, 5 at large, play on top seeds home fields Just fucking do it already."

I would love this...but I dont think its realistic, especially with a 12 game season, and it would make the regular season much less meaningful.

My thought is similar to a few posts above...if the non-BCS teams show up like they have this year, the regular season is very meaningful...win your conference or go home. All but the championship game is played at a home site, arranging the bracket to shorten distances for visiting teams fans to travel on the first weekend.
Georgia Tech @ Alabama
Boise State @ Oregon
Ohio State @ Cincinnati
TCU @ Texas
I realize theres a rematch there, but it makes sense geographically. Keep the bowl games as they are for the other teams...although I can see this being a problem for the current BCS bowls. Whereas for the other bowls the level of importance remains the same, the BCS bowls lose a large amount of importance...getting 2nd place Pac-10 vs 2nd place Big Ten in the Rose Bowl, for example. Yeah, you have to do it on home fields...no way fan bases are going to travel to possibly three bowl games.

An act of Congress is literally the only way a playoff will come about...they are making money hand over fist now and not willing to take a risk at possibly losing money on something new. As far as wasting time...consider all the time they waste with resolutions they vote on, such as recognizing the greatest of UNC basketball after winning the title? They dont just vote on it, they discuss it. At least this bill would actually be beneficial in some way.

12/10/2009 5:16:57 PM

The only problem I would see is if a team wrapped up their conference with 3 games to play, and rested their starters for the remaining games, like the Colts love to do so much

But that would hurt their seed because there is always going to be several undefeated or one loss teams in college, where in the NFL you can be 14-2 and be three games up on everyone else

12/10/2009 5:18:47 PM

The geography thing works this year, but it could have the two top teams playing each other in the first round if say Miami and Florida were 1 and 2

12/10/2009 5:20:00 PM

^^^ well there would still be other bowls, so that's not a problem. as far as the "student athlete" part, just lol at that. it's not like these guys really work for their grades anyway, so what would a couple of extra weeks hurt. no one seems to mind that basketball and other sports do it.

and jmo, but "the best regular season" really doesn't matter to me as much when it's always the same 4 or 5 schools that are talked about as potential championship teams. plus any matchup that is determined by computers and polls is about as meaningful as the dump i took this morning

[Edited on December 10, 2009 at 5:22 PM. Reason : .]

12/10/2009 5:21:08 PM

Imagine a Saturday with Texas vs Florida at 4:30 with Pam Ward announcing and Alabama and Oregon at 8 with Brent and Herbie


Would rival NFL conference championship Sunday

12/10/2009 5:24:29 PM

pam ward?

12/10/2009 5:25:51 PM

You'd prefer Verne Lundquist ?

12/10/2009 5:26:59 PM

The answer to the bill, if it passes, is just going to be calling it the BCS Bowl game instead of the BCS national title game.

12/10/2009 5:34:41 PM

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"^^^ well there would still be other bowls, so that's not a problem. as far as the "student athlete" part, just lol at that. it's not like these guys really work for their grades anyway, so what would a couple of extra weeks hurt. no one seems to mind that basketball and other sports do it."

Other bowls would become the NIT and I don't watch the NIT.

And yeah, I'm sure none of the fifty-something players on any of these teams value their education.

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"The answer to the bill, if it passes, is just going to be calling it the BCS Bowl game instead of the BCS national title game."

We can only hope.

[Edited on December 10, 2009 at 5:36 PM. Reason : .]

12/10/2009 5:36:13 PM

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"Other bowls would become the NIT and I don't watch the NIT."

Yeah, because the Alamo, EagleBank and Emerald bowls would lose all the luster that currently hold

12/10/2009 5:37:46 PM

Yep

12/10/2009 5:41:29 PM

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"The geography thing works this year, but it could have the two top teams playing each other in the first round if say Miami and Florida were 1 and 2"

Youd make some exceptions obviously...maybe you let the Top 4 host regardless. As far as clinching a conference early and resting starters...well 3 BCS conferences cant do that (or at least, theyd have to bring them back for the conference title game), and the regular season ends with so many rivalry games that I dont think this would come up often.

And, in regards to the timing of exams...take this year for example: First round could be played on the 19th, after exams...then the semifinals on the weekend of the 26th or the 2nd (depending on how you want to schedule around Christmas) with the championship game the week after.

[Edited on December 10, 2009 at 5:46 PM. Reason : -]

12/10/2009 5:42:01 PM

anybody that says anything about getting in the way of school is just wrong. i'm sure there's some school that a player could potentially miss an exam, but they work around it, always have, always will if the school tells them to. make the player take it a day early, or let him take it late, it's not all that hard. and most schools are done with exams before bowls start anyways.

Plus, people would still go watch lower bowl games. What would it matter if you didn't make the playoff? It's not like UNC is going to win the national championship by beating Pitt, so why wouldn't you go watch it just because it's a football game with your team in it?

12/10/2009 5:55:06 PM

If NC State was in the Buttfuck bowl vs East Buttfuck State, you'd all watch it and there would be a 30 page thread about it

Then, we would all sit back and enjoy watching the good teams play each other to decide who's number 1

Its the best of both worlds

[Edited on December 10, 2009 at 5:57 PM. Reason : x]

12/10/2009 5:56:43 PM

C'mon guys stop picking on Bweez he enjoys the computer telling him who the best two teams are. Would it not be great if the Colts and Saints got to by-pass all that silly playoff stuff and go straight to the superbowl!!!! By playing in the playoffs our homie Peyton manning risks blowing a perfect season (so far) by losing to some shitty wildcard team. NOT FUCKING FAIR!! [/sarcasm]

12/10/2009 5:58:43 PM

No one watches the lower tier bowls except for the fans of the teams playing and the degenerates (like me) who bet on them.

And I feel like you have to invite all of the conference champs. Every 1A team should have a shot at the 1A title.

12/10/2009 6:02:23 PM

No one wants to see the Sun Belt and MAC teams play for the title

Schedule some good OOC teams and win all your games, and you'll have a chance to be that 1

12/10/2009 6:06:25 PM

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"C'mon guys stop picking on Bweez he enjoys the computer telling him who the best two teams are. Would it not be great if the Colts and Saints got to by-pass all that silly playoff stuff and go straight to the superbowl!!!! By playing in the playoffs our homie Peyton manning risks blowing a perfect season (so far) by losing to some shitty wildcard team. NOT FUCKING FAIR!!"

MAYBE WE CAN ELIMINATE FALSE STARTS TOO!!

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The NFL has 32 teams. FBS has something like 120. Apples and oranges.

[Edited on December 10, 2009 at 6:08 PM. Reason : .]

12/10/2009 6:07:57 PM

haha shit i forgot about the Sun Belt when I made my 16 team playoff. I guess that would knock out Miami for uhhh Troy. And the 1-A Independents, so Navy could go too. Or Notre Dame would have a permanent pass into the tournament. or something

12/10/2009 6:12:33 PM

Notre Dame has to fight for an at-large like the rest of the independents.

12/10/2009 6:17:27 PM

IMO the current system makes the regular season mean less

Once a team loses (outside of the acc) I don't give a fuck about watching them again. Week by week I lose interest in the majority of games...and then it comes down to me watching Fla & Vandy ugh.

In college basketball I am always interested in games on espn & whatnot throughout the season. I'd like to see who a potential opponent for state would be in the ncaa tourney (lol right)....or, of course watch games to prep for my brackets. Sure, I understand the concept that the bball season doesn't mean as much - maybe that's moreso for the team than the fan. I dunno just my 2 cents.

12/10/2009 6:25:58 PM

what team woudl want to play in the governments tournament when they could play in a big bowl game? this is dumb.

12/10/2009 6:29:13 PM

^
Cincinnati
Boise State
TCU

[Edited on December 10, 2009 at 6:34 PM. Reason : and about 11 other teams]

12/10/2009 6:31:56 PM

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"No one wants to see the Sun Belt and MAC teams play for the title"

Then they should be kicked out of IA....

I doubt not people wanted to see the Rams v. Titans or the Buccaneers v Raiders either within the last 10 years of superbowl history.
I know for sure the Media, NFL, and big corporations that profit off of sports did not like this.

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"Every 1A team should have a shot at the 1A title."

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"The NFL has 32 teams. FBS has something like 120. Apples and oranges."

Not necessarily. The amount of divisions (nfl) approx equal the number of confrences (ncaa). Each is just bigger
but in a supposed system we would only take the top team from a confrence for the tournament. Whats your excuse for basketball?

Quote :

"Once a team loses (outside of the acc) I don't give a fuck about watching them again. Week by week I lose interest in the majority of games...and then it comes down to me watching Fla & Vandy ugh."

Unless your are an OSU fan, then after two losses the announcers in ESPN still claim you are in contention for the national title.

12/10/2009 6:47:48 PM

LOL at people bringing up these tired arguments as if they can even be reasonably debated. The fact is every other division of college football does a playoff, and the "student athletes" do just fine on their exams. Same thing for the playoff sites, seems like the other divisions have worked that problem out. There is NO reason why a playoff can't work. None whatsoever.

12/10/2009 8:33:48 PM

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"I find it kind of ironic that a congressman from Texas is sponsoring this when Texas is in the championship game thanks to the Bowl Computer Series."

A. Texas is the only team in the entire state
B. Theres no way a team represented by this ever got screwed




Heres the best scenario. You will all shoot it down when you see my name because I'm a girl, but theres not better possible plan.

8-16 teams is way too much and does cheapen the season. Theres no way that many teams deserve a shot at it all. However, 2 is too few because multiple teams can go unbeaten or a team in a dominant conference could lose 1 game while a team with an easy schedule goes unbeaten.

6 team playoff. top 2 get byes that way if there are ever a few teams that "deserve" it more than anyone else they get a bye and we still get to keep all 5 bcs games the same as they are now.

Jan 1

-Fiesta bowl-Cincy/Boise
-Orange bowl-TCU/Florida

Jan 7
-Sugar Bowl-Texas vs Fiesta bowl winner
-Rose Bowl-Alabama vs orange bowl winner

jan 14

championship game- rose bowl winner vs sugar bowl winner

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"economically speaking a playoff is a BAD idea. just saying."

Theres no way any of these bowls would even make the same money. They would all bring in much more money as the entire nation would care about all of them every year instead of just most of the nation caring about 1 (and some boycotting that one). The season would still be very meaningful because if you lose 2 games you're pretty much done.

Like somebody said, the current system makes 85% of games meaningless halfway through the season while this would keep every game meaningful but not take teams out of it too early AND NEVER LEAVE UNDEFEATED TEAMS HANGING.

In our current system the best team of all time could never even get a shot at a title because two other teams went unbeaten and the computers liked them more. Thats fail.

12/10/2009 8:39:27 PM

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"No one wants to see the Sun Belt and MAC teams play for the title"

That's not the point. The point is they have a chance like Davidson did in basketball.

12/10/2009 9:05:48 PM

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"mambagrl"

i actually agree with for once. Not the ideal option but anything is better than the current system.

12/10/2009 10:57:20 PM

I say it again, why would someone choose to be in a GOVERNMENT TOURNAMENT instade of playing for the big time bucks in a big bowl game. where would they play a government tournament? dc stadium is not nice at all.

12/11/2009 11:56:42 AM

what boozie said

All anybody wants is a chance to play for it. By including the 11 conference champions with 5 wild card spots, it is possible to get any one team in the national championship game on any given year. It has nothing to do with past performance, heritage, favoritism, etc... You win your 6 team division, and advance to the conference championship. From there win and you're in the playoff. Now, granted, the Sunbelt champ is probably going to draw a #1 or #2 and never get past that game, the fact that they had a chance to win on the field is what matters. So the current "Non-BCS" teams that make it all the way legitimately deserved to be there. If TCU beats LSU, GT, and Cinncinnatti to get to the national title, it would be undisputed.

12/11/2009 12:39:10 PM

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"I say it again, why would someone choose to be in a GOVERNMENT TOURNAMENT instade of playing for the big time bucks in a big bowl game. where would they play a government tournament? dc stadium is not nice at all."

Who the fuck is talking about a government sponsored tournament????
A republican from texas started this bill and surely he does not like a Big Guberment taking over college sports. All this is saying is that the NCAA needs to develop a fair tournament in which every school potentially has a shot at the title. Not the school who will bring in the most bucks, gets the most media hype, and through some human derived computer algorithm is determined to be the national contender.

12/11/2009 12:45:51 PM

mambagrl, I actually agree with this quite a bit:

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"6 team playoff. top 2 get byes that way if there are ever a few teams that "deserve" it more than anyone else they get a bye and we still get to keep all 5 bcs games the same as they are now."

Thats what I have felt is a pretty solid option for a long time. You still have a lot of very good non-championship bowl games left for one thing. Also, 6 is a very good number, and I enjoy the bye scenario, which at least means the top 2 teams who would normally automatically be in the championship game, only have to win 1 additional game to make the championship. Surely if one of those 2 teams is the best team in the nation, they can win 1 extra post-season game.

On top of that, 6 is a wide enough net to capture the teams from weaker conferences who go undefeated.

For example:

I certainly don't feel like TCU or Boise State are one of the top 2 teams in the country right now even though they are undefeated. However, because they have gone undefeated, they did make it into the top 6 this year which would at least give them the chance to prove what their weak regular season schedule could not. And thats how it should be. This creates a pretty good/fair scenario for teams like BYU, Boise State, Hawaii, TCU etc. If one of them goes undefeated, they have a better chance to get that post-season shot. If not, better luck next year. It clears the air a little more of the "what ifs" that result right now, while still being reasonable. I do realize that going undefeated in a week conference doesn't always keep you in the Top 6 in the BCS though, so I am not saying this is perfect.

and for Bweez

On top of that, it leaves the regular season being very important; as important as it is now (if not MORE SO imo). When you are only taking the top 6, any single loss for the top teams could still bump someone out of that top 6. Look at GTech. #7 in the nation with 1 game + conference championship to play. If they beat Georgia, they might be in the top 6 this year, instead of #9. Explain to me how that game they lost would not be MORE important in a 6 team playoff system? Now, how important is/was that game? Not much at all. Even if they won it, they had no chance to play for the national championship. In the new system, it could have been the 1 factor to keep them out. Same with Oregon v Stanford etc. Tell me how these games wouldn't mean more under a playoff system like this as opposed to now?

The one thing I would suggest when going to this would be the option to flip-flop semi-final games on the occasion that any one of the semi-finals features a conference title matchup.

Using this year as an example:

1 Alabama (bye)
2 Texas (bye)
3 Cincinnati
4 TCU
5 Florida
6 Boise State

3 Cincy vs 6 Boise State
4 TCU vs 5 Florida

If Cincy and Florida won their games, you would end up with Florida vs Alabama again. In that case, flip-flop so that the semis are:

Alabama vs Cincy
Texas vs Florida

Yes you're still going to have teams upset who finish in that 7-10 zone But really, oh well, thats a better team to have to argue with than than someone like Cincinnati this year, especially if they happened to go out and beat Florida.

[Edited on December 11, 2009 at 1:26 PM. Reason : ]

12/11/2009 1:19:29 PM

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""I find it kind of ironic that a congressman from Texas is sponsoring this when Texas is in the championship game thanks to the Bowl Computer Series.""

He probably represents TCU

12/11/2009 2:28:57 PM

he graduated from Texas A&M, so he probably has no love for the longhorns

12/11/2009 2:52:52 PM

you guys are presenting these scenarios as if the rose bowl wants to become a first round playoff game.

it doesn't. neither does the sugar bowl, or the fiesta bowl or the orange bowl.

[Edited on December 11, 2009 at 3:36 PM. Reason : you're also presenting these scenarios like they're a) new and b) going to be listened to.]

12/11/2009 3:36:24 PM

well this is a) a message board and b) a current topic

12/11/2009 3:40:15 PM

fuck the rose bowl then. let them have whoever doesn't make the playoffs and get new bowl sponsors and venues for the playoffs. college football should tell the rose bowl what to do, not the other way around

12/11/2009 3:44:47 PM