Just saw this video floated out there:



Granted it wasn't aimed at a balanced portrayal, but since the video was generated b/c of ppl discussing this topic, I thought I'd share. I'm sure that shirt pictured at the end says on the back has a list of things saying something like "if supporting America & patriotism counts as racist" so of course they only included the front side. Some moments of the video were certainly telling.

Michael Steele has now issued a statement saying the Tea Party is not racist.

7/15/2010 9:02:19 AM

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"The NAACP is a racist group. The Tea Party is not a racist group; they just happen have a lot of racists."

7/15/2010 9:05:31 AM

I mean, we could go to any old liberal protest rally and harvest a montage of racist and offensive remarks too.

7/15/2010 9:15:50 AM

Solinari wants to smack the faces of unrealistic liberal ideologues as much as i do.

[Edited on July 15, 2010 at 9:18 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on July 15, 2010 at 9:19 AM. Reason : ..damnit]

7/15/2010 9:18:12 AM

^^ only if you're there to spout them, d00d.

7/15/2010 9:19:06 AM

you know a lot about spouting dont you

7/15/2010 9:25:17 AM

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"I mean, we could go to any old liberal protest rally and harvest a montage of racist and offensive remarks too."

We should.
We should document them on video, making sure to highlight that they are both:
a) Registered Democrats
b) undeniably racist
Then we just put the videos on YouTube with the title, "The Democratic Party is a racist group"



I mean, clearly what we should all learn from this is that if a group has any racists in it, then the whole group is racist.

7/15/2010 9:30:11 AM

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"I mean, we could go to any old liberal protest rally and harvest a montage of racist and offensive remarks too. "

LOL

You seriously think you’d find anywhere near as many, if any at all, racist remarks at a liberal protest?

7/15/2010 9:32:29 AM

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"The Tea Party is not a racist group; they just happen have a lot of racists."

For what its worth, I tend to agree with this. By their nature as a decentralized group its hard to apply any broad labels other than those that they choose to self apply (being pro-patriotism) or those found in polling data (largely a republican group).

7/15/2010 9:38:13 AM

^^
Uh, racism is not a partisan issue, genius.

[Edited on July 15, 2010 at 9:41 AM. Reason : ]

7/15/2010 9:39:42 AM

^ don't tell Solinari. he thinks everything is partisan.

7/15/2010 9:46:24 AM

I'm the most non-partisan person here.

7/15/2010 9:54:34 AM

George W. Bush was much closer to being a Fascist than Obama will ever be. Additionally George W. Bush is a war criminal who will get away with it.

7/15/2010 5:46:56 PM

^
True, and true.
But that doesn't make Obama a force of good.

7/15/2010 5:48:45 PM

^ Indy I never said it did. I have a quite a bit I am not happy with in terms of Obama.

7/15/2010 7:16:44 PM

meh, the naacp also labeled crystal mangum a victim

7/15/2010 7:20:00 PM

^^
word

^
whoa

7/15/2010 7:24:20 PM

"Tea Party spokesman: NAACP is racist"


The finger pointing circle is complete.

7/15/2010 10:35:20 PM

According to a New York Times/CBS News poll, 52 percent of tea party supporters said that too much has been made of the problems facing blacks, compared with 28 percent of the general population.

A University of Washington survey found that those who think the government has done too much for blacks are 36 percent more likely to support the tea party than those who do not.

7/16/2010 1:20:48 PM

^^It's not the same. NAACP actually admits to being racist in their name. Any group that tries to advance one group of people over another, based purely on skin color, is racist.

7/16/2010 1:24:10 PM

You're right, advocating for equal rights for a historically oppressed minority is about the most racist thing you can do.

7/16/2010 1:25:20 PM

There was a time when the law actually was discriminatory in nature. At that point, there were people being oppressed by the government itself. That wasn't acceptable, and I don't see a problem with the affected parties forming an alliance to fight against that.

We've moved beyond that. Now, though, it isn't that we need to get rid of discriminatory laws...that's already been done. We have to get rid of "residual" racism, or "institutional racism," as you would call it. That's when it becomes racist. When we start giving advantages to people purely because their skin is a certain color, that is racist, by definition. Affirmative action is racist as hell, for instance.

7/16/2010 1:30:36 PM

7/16/2010 1:46:39 PM

Sky labeled blue?

COUNTERPOINT: SOMETIMES IT'S RED OR BLACK

7/16/2010 2:09:39 PM

^

Nearly everyone has already acknowleged that the Tea Party is not a racist group.
What's taking you so long?

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"You're right, advocating for equal rights for a historically oppressed minority is about the most racist thing you can do"

Which historically oppressed minorities don't have equal rights now? Because I thought it was gays and atheists, and not so much "colored people" anymore...

Also, when you advocate for one particular minority, based on race, and not simply for all minorities, based on whatever, then yes -- that is racist. Racism, per se, isn't bad, though. Like Seinfeld said about his taste for dating Asian women, "How can it be racist if I like them?" Elaine was right. That's a very benign form of racism. If one chooses to donate 100% of their charity to advance Cherokee causes, and not one penny to black or Latino causes, that's technically racist -- but rather benign.

I don't have a problem with a private group exercising what amounts to race-based affirmative action. In fact, I've said before that I only oppose the government (public) affirmative action. I personally support the idea of "advancing" certain groups that were historically "shit upon", especially women, native americans, and atheists. But I acknowledge that it is a private and personal issue, and also one that, by its nature, puts one trait (race, gender, etc.) above another in a way that the public sector shouldn't be doing. Simply put, it is discriminatory, but that's okay for private groups or individuals... Calling out the NAACP as racist doesn't mean it shouldn't exist, although it certainly means that the NAACP shouldn't accept public funds -- does it?

...But it should be clear to all that there could be (and are) much better [private] groups than the NAACP to advance the causes of fighting racism and "leveling the playing field".. (evening out that^^ chart)

[Edited on July 16, 2010 at 2:32 PM. Reason : ]

7/16/2010 2:14:31 PM

Quote :

"Any group that tries to advance one group of people"

Quote :

"Now, though, it isn't that we need to get rid of discriminatory laws...that's already been done. We have to get rid of "residual" racism, or "institutional racism," as you would call it."

I can't speak to the current leadership because I don't know enough, but Julian Bond was the previous Chairman from 1998 until Feb 2010 so, as far as I know, he isn't connected to any of this butting heads between the Tea Party & the NAACP since his term ended 5 months ago. Bond was pretty outspoken on getting rid of laws banning gays from marriage & service in the military. So Bond at least struck me as being interested in still getting rid of laws he saw as discriminatory, and in reaching beyond just one group.

I think it was one of his speeches about taking a broader view in which I first heard about an openly gay man who worked with MLK on civil rights issues:

Bayard Rustin

Bayard Rustin at news briefing on the Civil Rights March on Washington, August 27, 1963

Quote :

"Bayard Rustin (March 17, 1912 – August 24, 1987) was an American civil rights activist, important largely behind the scenes in the civil rights movement of the 1960s and earlier. He is credited as the chief organizer of the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.[1] He counseled Martin Luther King, Jr. on the techniques of nonviolent resistance. He became an advocate on behalf of gay and lesbian causes in the latter part of his career."

-wiki

[Edited on July 16, 2010 at 2:19 PM. Reason : .]

7/16/2010 2:18:07 PM

Quote :

"Nearly everyone has already acknowleged that the Tea Party is not a racist group. "

Reminder that Mark Williams, the founder of the Tea Party Express, posted this "not racist" rant on his website:

Quote :

"Dear Mr. Lincoln We Colored People have taken a vote and decided that we don’t cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop! In fact we held a big meeting and took a vote in Kansas City this week. We voted to condemn a political revival of that old abolitionist spirit called the ‘tea party movement’. The tea party position to “end the bailouts” for example is just silly. Bailouts are just big money welfare and isn’t that what we want all Coloreds to strive for? What kind of racist would want to end big money welfare? What they need to do is start handing the bail outs directly to us coloreds! Of course, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is the only responsible party that should be granted the right to disperse the funds. And the ridiculous idea of “reduce[ing] the size and intrusiveness of government.” What kind of massa would ever not want to control my life? As Coloreds we must have somebody care for us otherwise we would be on our own, have to think for ourselves and make decisions! The racist tea parties also demand that the government “stop the out of control spending.” Again, they directly target Colored People. That means we Colored People would have to compete for jobs like everybody else and that is just not right. Perhaps the most racist point of all in the tea parties is their demand that government “stop raising our taxes.” That is outrageous! How will we Colored People ever get a wide screen TV in every room if non-coloreds get to keep what they earn? Totally racist! The tea party expects coloreds to be productive members of society? Mr. Lincoln, you were the greatest racist ever. We had a great gig. Three squares, room and board, all our decisions made by the massa in the house. Please repeal the 13th and 14th Amendments and let us get back to where we belong. Sincerely Precious Ben Jealous, Tom’s Nephew National Association for the Advancement of Colored People Head Colored Person"

7/16/2010 2:34:33 PM

lolwut

7/16/2010 2:38:15 PM

Actually, that's not racist, it's just badly done satire.

7/16/2010 2:39:50 PM

Hahaha, we're through the looking glass, folks.

7/16/2010 2:41:54 PM

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"Freedom means having to work for real"

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

7/16/2010 3:36:32 PM

Hey God, have you ever taken a course on labor economics?

7/16/2010 4:05:27 PM

No, why?

7/16/2010 4:06:05 PM

This whole "discriminated against in the past so its ok for them to be racist" thing is old. None of us were alive when they were slaves nor Jim Crow laws. Stop worrying about making up for the past and deal with the present. Focus on improving education in inner cities, after school programs, giving them role models, etc. versus trying to get handouts. Stop worrying about if something a white person says is racist and focus on improving yourselves.

7/16/2010 4:25:36 PM

^ Can it, whitey

7/16/2010 4:30:23 PM

You can't "forget" the present.

7/16/2010 4:39:25 PM

Yes blacks presently have it so terrible these days

Sure different people have easier or tougher paths of life, but the opportunity is there for everyone, its what you make of it. Bill Cosby is a good example. Came from nothing, worked hard and made something of himself. People just find it easier to sit around and complain.

7/16/2010 4:53:28 PM

lol

I used to be naive like you once.

The problem is that you come from a distorted world where you're never exposed to the actual problems of minorities and poverty.

[Edited on July 16, 2010 at 4:59 PM. Reason : ]

7/16/2010 4:56:58 PM

You ever going to wake up?

^ Don't jump the gun

[Edited on July 16, 2010 at 4:57 PM. Reason : ^^]

7/16/2010 4:57:11 PM

7/16/2010 4:59:29 PM

^
Derp dee dur

It doesn't say it explicitly, but that seems to imply that white people in America are all the same...
...or that unintentionally and indirectly benefiting from racism is morally similar to being racist.


Here's another take:





...or even better:

7/16/2010 5:45:41 PM

Not this shit again.

The suggestion seems to be that businesses, on a large scale, hire white people and avoid hiring minorities. I'm sure there are businesses that do this. I think they should have the right to do it, even though it's morally wrong. Most businesses are not doing this, and certainly not to the extent that God or McDanger would have you believe.

I understand the whole white guilt thing. I really do. You feel like you're giving minorities a break by "standing up for their rights." One has to wonder why God, who has white skin, has a college degree from a well known public university and is working in a call center, while there are dozens, if not hundreds, of minority users on TWW that are making over 80k a year. There must be something more to it than race.

[Edited on July 16, 2010 at 6:23 PM. Reason : ]

7/16/2010 6:23:31 PM

its bad business not to hire the most qualified people you can find to work for you.

7/16/2010 8:12:37 PM

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"The suggestion seems to be that businesses, on a large scale, hire white people and avoid hiring minorities. I'm sure there are businesses that do this. I think they should have the right to do it, even though it's morally wrong. Most businesses are not doing this, and certainly not to the extent that God or McDanger would have you believe."

Eh, it's not that businesses are making policy about it. The vast majority of them likely don't even realize that they're doing it. A lot of the racial bias exists on a very individual level between the interviewer and interviewee, in a subtle enough way that neither of them are really going to consciously notice any discrimination going on. It's an instant first impression sort of thing, found out about in the sorts of studies where a series of faces are flashed on a screen and the test participant ends up showing bias in favor of people who are most like themselves and/or most attractive.

I'd love to cite this argument for you, and I'm sure there's multiple sources, but thanks to this storm, it looks like any minute now I could lose power in my apartment. Look it up yourself if you care to.



Also, anyone want to bet how long it'll take someone in this thread to claim that psychology isn't enough of a real science?

7/16/2010 8:49:02 PM

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"I'd love to cite this argument for you, and I'm sure there's multiple sources, but thanks to this storm, it looks like any minute now I could lose power in my apartment. Look it up yourself if you care to."

Haha. I'm going to use this one someday.

7/16/2010 8:59:54 PM

'This Week' Transcript: Biden
ABC's Jake Tapper Interviews Vice President Joe Biden on 'This Week'
July 11, 2010

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"[Jake] TAPPER: The NAACP had a convention in the last week. And they passed a resolution saying that elements of the Tea Party are racist. Do you think elements of the Tea Party are racist?"

Quote :

"[Joe BIDEN] We saw that on television and it was turned -- but I don't think -- I don't -- I wouldn't characterize the Tea Party as racist."

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"[BIDEN] But I don't believe, the president doesn't believe that the Tea Party is -- is a racist organization. I don't believe that."

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/week-transcript-biden/story?id=11191222&page=2

7/19/2010 5:55:17 AM

the NAACP has gone a long way from its former glory:

http://www.ep.tc/problems/34/

7/19/2010 5:26:45 PM

moron:

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"LOL You seriously think you’d find anywhere near as many, if any at all, racist remarks at a liberal protest?"

Hmmm... yea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_xCeItxbQY&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zXDNlWESD0&feature=player_embedded

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"The video shows Sherrod speaking of racial considerations being a factor for how much help she would give. "The first time I was faced with having to help a white farmer save his farm, he took a long time talking but he was trying to show me he was superior to me. I know what he was doing, but he had come to me for help. What he didn't know while he was taking all that time trying to show me he was superior to me was, I was trying to decide just how much help I was going to give him," Sherrod said. "I was struggling with the fact that so many black people had lost their farmland, and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land. So I didn't give him the full force of what I could do. I did enough," Sherrod said. "So that when he, I assumed the Department of Agriculture had sent him to me, either that or the Georgia Department of Agriculture, and he needed to go back and report that I did try to help him." In the video, Sherrod also spoke of referring the white farmer to a white lawyer, thinking the latter would be more sympathetic because of race. "So I took him to a white lawyer that had attended some of training that we had provided because Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted for the family farm. So I figured if I take him to one of them, that his own kind would take care of him.""

Queue the, "black people can't be racist" excuses

7/19/2010 6:11:02 PM

^Did you watch the video?

Cause I watched the video, and I suspect the video and the written quote that you provided are misleading.

For one, your quote leaves off some continued remarks from her, which I quickly transcribed here (I started in with part of your quote and bolded the part yours neglected:

Quote :

"So I took him to a white lawyer that had attended some of training that we had provided because Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted for the family farm. So I figured if I take him to one of them, that his own kind would take care of him. That’s when it was revealed to me that, y’all, it’s about poor versus those who have. And not so much about white—It is about white and black, but it’s not... You know it opens my eyes because I took him to one of his own--"

Secondly, the video is cut off as she's still speaking. Right when she's about to tell us about how her eyes were opened to the truth about class and race in America, the video cuts to a clip of fucking Geraldo.

Shirley Sherrod might be a full-blown racist, and her and the rest of the NAACP may have lynched a white dude for fun after they wrapped up their meeting...but your video evidence is bullshit. in fact, I think you ought to be suspended for it.

7/19/2010 6:59:01 PM

^ Solinari knows he doesn't have a legitimate position so he's grasping for anything he can.

This is the same guy who thinks the entire world hates the Jews and thus the Jews need special affirmative action.

7/19/2010 7:01:41 PM