Page 2. Also I wonder if this has something to do with my RR speed tipping the scales today:

1/28/2015 10:51:39 PM

I saw some spray paint marks outside my apartment on the sidewalk, wonder if it's related...

1/29/2015 12:08:59 AM

^^Wow. Nice. Even if TWC gives me 1 Gb for less than Google, I'll still leave out of principle. Actually, moreso. If they could have raised it the entire time, but only did it out of fear, I'll enjoy curb stomping them.

From my research of the KC/Austin roll-outs, the timelines were approximately:

20 months from announcement before Fiberhood sign-ups begin (i.e. 20 months for mapping/planning and fiber roll-out)
This period was as much as 38 months for KC, 20 months for Austin.

2 months allowed for Fiberhood sign-ups

4-6 months after deadline for connection to demarc. Installation shortly after that (i.e. days). Range depends on how quickly your Fiberhood meets the minimum # of sign-ups

The 20 months is also just to begin Fiberhood signups. If you see the Fiber links below, Austin isn't even finished yet. I'm hoping the timelines are shortened somewhat given that this is their 4th major roll-out, plus our government tends to ass kiss big business. For once, it's a positive.

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/fiber/28hUHmcvh-k%5B126-150-false%5D
https://fiber.google.com/cities/austin/fiberhoods/#zone=Rest+of+Austin&fiberhood=
https://fiber.google.com/cities/kansascity/

A Charlotte news story I saw said it would take about 2 years for the first houses to be connected

1/29/2015 1:57:00 AM

TWC going to start bumping speeds significantly now that they have competition huh? God I hate TWC, so very much you guys, I'm seriously.

1/29/2015 8:00:09 AM

So does Google Fiber coming to Raleigh mean anything for the not-so-close surrounding cities, even in the distant future? Like Rocky Mount (50 miles away)? Our upload speeds are horrible & there are just no providers that will let you have more than 8mpbs (was only 5 until a month ago). This is really shitty for businesses, especially those using cloud services & relying on the transfer of large files via email/upload to conduct business.

1/29/2015 11:50:03 AM

charter out at the beach has been stagnant on 30/3 for 5-6 years or so. With only really crappy dsl as an alternative, and not much fiber coming into the area (apparently only 2 or 3 lines, one government use only) they don't think providing higher speeds is possible. It'll take probably another 5 years before we see 100+ down and 10+ up being available to the majority of customers.

[Edited on January 29, 2015 at 12:43 PM. Reason : d]

1/29/2015 12:42:51 PM

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"^^Wow. Nice. Even if TWC gives me 1 Gb for less than Google, I'll still leave out of principle. Actually, moreso. If they could have raised it the entire time, but only did it out of fear, I'll enjoy curb stomping them. "

This. Google could offer slower speeds and I'd still switch.

1/29/2015 1:47:58 PM

Quote :

"Actually, moreso. If they could have raised it the entire time, but only did it out of fear, I'll enjoy curb stomping them. "

1/29/2015 3:33:11 PM

Quote :

"From my research of the KC/Austin roll-outs, the timelines were approximately: 20 months from announcement before Fiberhood sign-ups begin (i.e. 20 months for mapping/planning and fiber roll-out) This period was as much as 38 months for KC, 20 months for Austin. 2 months allowed for Fiberhood sign-ups 4-6 months after deadline for connection to demarc. Installation shortly after that (i.e. days). Range depends on how quickly your Fiberhood meets the minimum # of sign-ups"

fwiw, i think even google is expecting a more aggressive timeline than this (though perhaps my ~year estimate is still too soon)...in a recent interview with a google rep, it was noted that they learned a lot from the KC/austin installations and so they're trying to speed up the process with things like the town surveys/agreements they sent out before they even announced they were coming here

1/29/2015 7:00:45 PM

Since it will be a while before Google actually takes signups, why not move over to AT&Ts Fiber service if you qualify?? That's how I am turning the screws on TWC and still get to enjoy 1Gbps today.

1/30/2015 10:11:17 AM

Too bad you guys don't live in the Triad. Some of us already have gigabit fiber.

1/30/2015 10:12:46 AM

What makes TWC any worse than every other monopolistic cable company/ISP?


Also, I don't live in NC or any other target market for the foreseeable future, so it's a moot point, but I don't think I'd want creepy Google providing my internet.

1/30/2015 1:26:04 PM

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"I don't think I'd want creepy Google providing my internet."

i understand this sentiment, and realize it's pretty common...but is there any reason in particular?

i find google's services to be very useful and knowingly provide them with data as payment (because anyone who thinks gmail is "free" is deluding themselves)...what i believe is that the data they collect is more or less anonymous (and so maybe i'm deluding myself)

i just don't get the aversion to trading data for services

1/30/2015 1:32:41 PM

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"i just don't get the aversion to trading data for services"

You seriously don't understand why some people strike to keep their data as private/protected as possible?

1/30/2015 1:36:12 PM

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"You seriously don't understand why some people strike to keep their data as private/protected as possible?"

some? of course...i just don't understand why the average person would give two shits

doing something that could get you into trouble? sure, you don't want anyone to know.
working with sensitive data (financials, SSNs, etc)? yeah, i get it.
super paranoid about big brother? well, it's your right to live off the grid

we're not talking about big brother here, not really...there aren't any cameras/mics in my home and i don't think google's suggesting that there will be any in the set-top boxes or routers

i'm also fairly certain google's not going to capture EVERY SINGLE BIT of data i send across their fiber and store it away for a rainy day...sure, they'll track web traffic and index my emails (probably texts, too, since i use google voice), but i can't think of a reason to care

i am 100% sure GOOGLE isn't going to steal my identity or monitor my comings and goings so they can rob my house when i'm not home or steal my nudez as blackmail...someone else? maybe...but it's a digital age and we're all smart enough to understand the risks of using teh intarwebs and owning a smartphone

*shrug*

[Edited on January 30, 2015 at 2:00 PM. Reason : actually, there ARE cameras/mics in my home, but i'm pretty boring]

1/30/2015 1:56:20 PM

Google doesn't need to provide you fiber service to sufficiently know everything about you

1/30/2015 3:37:45 PM

pretty much...might as well get a little more out of my personal data

1/30/2015 6:06:18 PM

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"What makes TWC any worse than every other monopolistic cable company/ISP? Also, I don't live in NC or any other target market for the foreseeable future, so it's a moot point, but I don't think I'd want creepy Google providing my internet."

I don't know about every other, but I've also had U-verse and Charter, and their customer service was way better. Both had better ways of obtaining/returning equipment than to take a number and line up for hours with all the dregs, like the one couple last time complaining about the government being allowed to search their home.

TWC promised me a bill credit the first month. Countless calls and it was never actually given to me. They kept forgetting to charge me for the first 3 months and ran up the bill. It finally took their level 3 managers to figure it out.

The only thing I like about them is no cap. Otherwise I'd go with Gigapower until Google arrives.

In the meantime, I'll be getting what dtownral mentioned on the last page:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/content/twc/en/about-us/press/time-warner-cable-announces-commitment-to-transform-customer-exp.html

So yeah, I'd take them selling my personal information over that. Besides, you can always tunnel all your traffic through a VPN if you're really worried. They've even allowed personal use of servers. We could set up a TWW VPN network, so our shameful internet searches are not individually identifiable.

[Edited on January 31, 2015 at 2:55 AM. Reason : ;]

1/31/2015 2:53:59 AM

I have U-Verse and have only once ever been slapped down on the cap, but that was before I knew that U-Verse was available. Back then I had AT&T DSL and the cap was like 100GB versus 200-250 or whatever I have now. Honestly I don't know. I am syncing about 2TB of photos on OneDrive and have not hit the limit since I switched even though my internet is about three times faster.

1/31/2015 9:17:59 PM

I hope the Comcrap/Crime Warner merger doesn't go through. I would not survive with a cap. I just checked my usage on TWC website. It only goes back 3 months:

November: 468 GB
December: 1530 GB
January: 457 GB

A lot of the usage in December is from downloading Xbox One games (they go up to like 80GB with expansions) and a couple Xbox 360 games. Normally I use 400-600GB a month and that is pretty much just a few hours of watching netflix or amazon in HD.

2/1/2015 8:46:09 AM

I download all my games now via Steam, UPlay, and Origin, plus we stream Youtube and Netflix constantly, and I usually download whatever shows we can't stream. Plus I sync all my photos. So we use the internet a LOT. I hit the 150GB limit once on DSL and was notified by AT&T, but have yet to get popped for the U-Verse limit being blown through. Which I find hard to believe that I have not gone over it as I know in one month I setup my OneDrive to sync my photos and uploaded them all from work and then let my home connection re-download it. That was about 2TB. So I don't think they enforce the cap on U-Verse users.

[Edited on February 1, 2015 at 12:55 PM. Reason : ]

2/1/2015 12:55:08 PM

talked to a twc sales rep today, was told they will be doing the expected bandwidth increases in June.

2/11/2015 10:51:09 PM

According to some folks posting on dslreports, parts of Charlotte got bumped by TWC to 100/5 this weekend.

2/26/2015 2:31:12 PM

That's interesting because I'm only getting half the bandwidth I'm supposed to right now. (25ish mbps instead of 50 mbps)

2/26/2015 3:21:59 PM

Can't wait!!!

Google Dial-Up will be awesome!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTTtkisylQw

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"The loading bar is a signal to many of us to take care of those little things- like making a cup of coffee, taking that bathroom break or just petting the dog. We have been told that Fiber’s seemingly instant connections have taken away that valuable time. So today we are introducing Dial-Up Mode to slow your Fiber speeds down. Relax to your 56k connection and get those precious moments back."

I miss that sound.

4/1/2015 10:47:59 AM

Apparently Google is buying the building that 518 West is in. They're closing down after Easter.

4/3/2015 1:19:45 PM

^ interesting, there is a lot of fiber right near there (glenwood and n. harrington), where did you hear that?

4/3/2015 3:37:38 PM

I heard they we're shutting down after the 5th but didn't know why. neat

4/3/2015 5:11:27 PM

It was on WRAL this morning. The explanation given was that the owners want to "pursue other opportunities with the location." Opportunity to cash that Google check.

4/4/2015 10:32:47 AM

Me and a few friends had heard about the closing and went last week as a last hurrah (we used to go frequently back in the day). Got to talking to the bartender while we waited and he clued us in. Apparently the owners paid $380k back when they bought the building and sold it back to Google for 2.4mil. Can't say I blame them for that, though apparently it was a rushed deal because the staff only found out about a week before the owners told the press.

4/6/2015 8:41:15 AM

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"apparently it was a rushed deal"

Good job, Google, get your Fiber to RTP, thanks! My TimeWarner cancellation call is standing-by.

4/6/2015 9:43:09 AM

probably has something to do with being right on the train tracks, a ton of network infrastructure runs along rail throughways

4/6/2015 10:43:54 AM

The story made Ars Technica: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/04/google-fiber-plans-expansion-then-twc-makes-speeds-six-times-faster/

I hope Google Fiber comes to Cincinnati.

4/13/2015 1:24:50 PM

^ Yeah but what the fuck are they going to do about the upload speeds? Upload speed for me matters just as much. I see no mention of it. If they don't upgrade that I'm going to drop them like a bad habit the first chance I get.

4/13/2015 1:28:49 PM

So when are they gonna boost speeds in Raleigh? I already have the 50 Mbps service 300 would be great!

4/13/2015 3:53:18 PM

My TWC business account rep said this regarding Raleigh:

Quote :

"I know that we are getting the larger bandwidth bundles in the future, but I do not have an exact date as of yet. It is just a guess, but possibly this Fall. "

[Edited on April 13, 2015 at 4:14 PM. Reason : ]

4/13/2015 4:13:51 PM

I can't wait to be free from Time Warner Cable.

TWC's shit is garbage. These Ubee router/modem combos they forced onto us are awful. I can't get below 120 ms ping on the Xbone. I've got a TWC representative on record saying anything above 60ms is not acceptable by their standards even in peak hours (did not expect that). Their customer support is a joke, I tried to explain to them that they should be able to forward ports for me if they are trying to lock me out of my own router but they are clueless.

I don't even care about download/upload, just consistent low latency without any packetloss would be great.

4/14/2015 12:37:25 PM

go buy your own modem and router. you understand that they are charging you for what they gave you, right?

4/14/2015 1:19:10 PM

TWC is starting step 1 of their upgrade rollouts 5/5, by cutting the older analog. Letters been going out for weeks. Supposedly speed bumps in June.

4/14/2015 10:34:41 PM

^^ I have both but TWC has a fucked up set up in my apartment.

It used to be as simple as "Connect the cable to the modem = internet" but it isn't.

The phrase the customer support Indians use is "synchronize the cable signal with the modem" which, if not in sync apparently causes packet loss and 800+ ms latency.

4/17/2015 3:36:52 PM

4/17/2015 4:03:32 PM

that's a dumbass infographic...

my TWC runs 56mb all day long (we pay for 50)

4/20/2015 11:00:24 AM

it's also from 2011

4/20/2015 4:04:11 PM

AT&T and/or Google Fiber have been rlling deep near Governors Village south of Chapel Hill. They got a dozen different contractor crews laying it down and when I asked the AT&T tech nearby how long until we can sign up he said 2-3 months max. Even if there's delays thats still not that far off. He mentioned Google and AT&T sharing the costs of the fiber lines.

4/20/2015 5:56:40 PM

Just a friendly reminder that Google and AT&T are late to the gigabit fiber game in NC. North State Communications FTW

[Edited on April 21, 2015 at 12:12 PM. Reason : ]

4/21/2015 12:12:10 PM

^^AT&T is laying fiber for Gigapower on Lake Pine in Cary. My neighbor, who works in the industry, went down to shoot the shit with them. They said AT&T is paying the various crews ~$60k/day for the work. They've progressed ~500' in 1.5-2 weeks.

4/21/2015 5:53:48 PM

i've installed a lot of private fiber, unless that number includes some kind of crazy equipment it's not nearly accurate

4/21/2015 6:10:02 PM

^I have too, though in a datacenter, where costs are a lot lower (raised tile floors and trays).

They did have several pieces of Ditch Witch equipment, and this is all underground. Doesn't take that many crews with 7-8 guys, each with a Ditch Witch and several trucks. Especially since they're contracting. My neighbor has worked with one of the companies in Wake Forest laying fiber and said it's a realistic amount. He said they're doing a wide rollout and it should be available around the Triangle within months. Compared to Google, that will likely take 2+ years to complete.

AT&T's scurred.

[Edited on April 21, 2015 at 6:44 PM. Reason : ;]

4/21/2015 6:43:47 PM

I mean, with enough crews the cost make sense. But they did not spend $600k (2 weeks) to go ~500'. They might be spending that for all of their crews, who have more total distance together, but not for that one crew. I've installed miles, in public ROW and on private property using both direct bore and trenching, that's not how much they spent in that one place.

4/22/2015 6:56:56 AM

Ohh yeah, definitely, sorry if that seemed misleading. I meant they were paying the various crews in the area that all together.

4/23/2015 5:58:28 PM