Basically, if you're class begins with a W, you're pretty shitty.

Poor porcha. Those are the two classes he plays.

2/7/2005 12:49:20 AM

Hell, I've got a challenge for you pro-warrior people (no, not pro as in professional)

On Stormreaver, I'm willing to bet $20 I can make any non-warrior alliance character, lvl him/her up to 30, and at the same time, you make a warrior on horde, given all the money and best gear the Waaaagh Brigade can support you with, and I, with no support from my guild (currently I am a 58 warrior on Mal`ganis and am part of the Warsong Battalion http://www.warsongbattalion.com, will be able to pk you 9 times out of 10. No external buffs, potions. Just pure class vs class. I'm sure you can take a guess at what class I'd use to defeat a warrior and by now your warrior balls have retreated back up the body from which they came. So I dare you, actually try the warrior from yourself then get back to me about how "good" they are in pvp.

2/7/2005 12:56:39 AM

Warriors are fun. You mostly live and die on your equipment however. Most of the good warrior abilities are based upon your base weapon/attack damage. So if you've got crap for weapons, then you aren't going to be very effective. You are also the primary damage taker so it is always important to have good armor with good stats. Warriors are the KINGs of Instance groups.

I think that most of the good warriors put 5 pts into the Tactical Mastery talent. It lets you keep some rage when you switch stances, which is good since useful warrior abilities are scattered between the 3 stances. If you are fighting a caster, you should try and interrupt their spells which means you need to be in Defensive Stance with a shield out, or Bezerker stance. If the caster dodges, with Tac Mastery, you can switch to Battle stance and instantly use Overpower which, with talents, gives it a 50%+ crit chance which would mean a caster's doom. Otherwise when you switch stances, you have to build rage. A common trick I'll do against Palys/Warriors is charge from Battle stance, build up 5 more rage, then switch to defensive stance for Disarm.

I find myself to be pretty effective in PVP, though generally warriors aren't very good at PVP. Mages/Druids tend to kick my ass every time, if they use their roots. I'm just standing there praying that it will break early while I get blasted with fireballs for 1400 damage or have moonfire spammed all over me. Paladins are really tough too because of their shield/heals. They don't do much damage at all but they can usually outlast you unless I use bandages or potions while they are shielded up. But I hate wasting potions and bandages for PVP. I hate Paladins.. I always feel like I've killed them 3x before they die. Most times I only last through 2 of his 3 lives.

That being said Rogues don't cause me any problems whatsoever, neither do hunters usually. Rogues are a class a lot of people like to bitch about, especially casters.

There are a few bugs in a couple of warrior abilities that are going to be fixed. Missing Execute burns all your rage anyways.. Intercept bug was fixed in the last patch. Thunderclap is going to get some love too... etc. I think in a couple months Warriors will be more effective, especially in PVP.

[Edited on February 7, 2005 at 1:17 AM. Reason : grammar]

2/7/2005 1:13:48 AM

hopefully cuz i love my warrior i just have fun with em

2/7/2005 1:21:54 AM

^^ Get a Spider Belt, it has 1 sec reuse timer. Most effective vs druids, mages.

2/7/2005 1:24:58 AM

yes, in a few months, after relentless bitching, warrios may become good at pvp

at lvl 58, rogues really aren't too much of a problem for me...a fast 2h wpn will take them down pretty well

any class that snare/slow/fear will do very well against a warrior...a mage just has to frost nova and ice bolt a warrior then kite him to death....a hunter can do similar but he doesn't do as much dmg as a mage and the warrior may catch up and get a hamstring off. Paladins spell doom for warriors. There is a video floating on the internet of a lvl 60 warrior with all the best gear that cannot kill an unarmed paladin. The paladin wore all the normal gear minus his sword/shield and was able to fist the warrior to death. And no, the gear does not fully make the warrior, a smart player also helps, but with intercept costing so much rage, you can't really use it unless you've done a significant amount of damage and have points invested into tactical mastery (which should be a skill you buy, not put points into) and are able to switch stances all the time. Running around frantically does help a warrior somewhat, if they can get behind the attacker right before an attack, they wont be able to cast since "target is not infront of you" But that's really circumstantial. If you've got to also change all your stances to get different moves on, you almost need both hands on the keyboard, which leaves you standing still getting beat like the warrior you're meant to be. Another plus about warrior vs rogues is overpower...if a rogue dodges my attack, he'd better brace for an attack that has a 50% chance to crit and cannot be block/parried/dodged. Good thing warriors miss rates are bugged and it has a 50% chance to miss. Execute should be the same way. It spends all your rage regardless of if it hits or not but it still can be dodged/blocked/parried/missed. If one of those does happen and the execute does not land, the rage should still be there, maybe take a small penalty similar to the effect of a missed sunder/heroic strike/mortal strike. If blizzard were to fix the miss rates, make rage regenerate significantly faster while in combat, and make your best skills not be on 30min timers and only last for 15-30 seconds....warriors wouldn't bitch as much

2/7/2005 1:34:33 AM

someone take porcha's challenge


I cant even get my only char up to 30, still at 22 ahah

oh well, I'm still riiiiiiiiiiich bitch

2/7/2005 1:38:00 AM

i hit 25 today

2/7/2005 1:40:40 AM

Problem is, Blizzard wanted to make warrior the most "interactive" class in the game, meaning we have to press more combination of keys to achieve the same effect other classes can achieve. Like rogue has kick to interrupt, for me using a 2h weap in battlestance I either have to switch to berzerker stance and lose any rage i have over 25 to pummel or equip a shield.

Having our moves spread between 3 stances is a horrible idea, if Blizzard wanted to make warriors this tedious to play they could of offered a better macro system. Macros don't excute the lines you input sequentially, rather it tries to execute all lines simultaneously. Meaning I can't use macro for switching stances + intercept, or switch stances + pummel. If they offered better macro support warriors would be easier to play and perform better in pvp.

2/7/2005 1:47:48 AM

Hey Zhiseng I paid a crew to go murder onyxia for me

when I send the word, bodies hit the ground

2/7/2005 1:49:26 AM

I've got a lvl 12 UD warrior

But you'll be sitting at 30 for a month before I make it.

Given your 10 hour WoW binges vs my 1 hr per night.

BTW, power lvl your char on Stormreaver and give him to stein afterwards.

I want to run a warlock train.

[Edited on February 7, 2005 at 2:05 AM. Reason : .]

2/7/2005 2:04:13 AM

while i agree about what ur saying with the miss rates, the statement about exe using rage whether it hits or not is dumb heh. im sure it was suplemental argument, but my spells use mana whether they get resisted or not.

2/7/2005 2:04:33 AM

Its worse when shadowburn misses.

I don't get the shard back.

2/7/2005 2:08:19 AM

but you start with mana...when we have FINALLY created enough rage to use a useful attack and we miss we are screwed. you have several tries to use that mana. i just gotta get as good and as comfortable as i can with my warrior

2/7/2005 2:11:14 AM

Quote :

"the statement about exe using rage whether it hits or not is dumb heh. im sure it was suplemental argument, but my spells use mana whether they get resisted or not"

you cannot even try to compare mana to rage

rage is only generated by doing dmg/taking dmg/or hurting yourself for 15% of your life. We always have a maximum of 100 rage and 95% of the time have 0. We can only use our execute skill when the target has 20% or less life and we also need a minimum of 15rage, which is 2 or 3 swings at my lvl. Our rage fades away when not in combat, which again, is 95% of the time. So we've got 1 shot to spend all of our hard earned rage when you've already got little or no life left. The move should be called "Pity shot" because if you allow a warrior to bring you down to below 20% life your ass should be dead anyways and account deleted

2/7/2005 2:16:36 AM

Quote :

"I'm not intended for pvp."

Only because you are a fucking idiot.

I'm not going to waste my time leveling a warrior to level 30 so you can demonstrate that this game has some rock/paper/scissors balancing.

Hunter vs. Shaman, for instance

OMGZ HUNTARS ARE BROKEN ;_;

2/7/2005 2:31:35 AM

I'm wondering when the right time is going to be to re-spec to holy, because right now all I do anyway is "assist with heals" on Scarlet Monastary, and people bitch when I try to attack stuff. Therefore it makes my shadow spells (and form, which i just got) useless.

I guess having better healing will be better. Oh well, maybe I'll drop the 10g after I make 90g for my mount.

2/7/2005 3:19:18 AM

^^

Awsome response, glad to see you know how to argue beyond a one sentence opinion.

2/7/2005 8:21:39 AM

that's the same problem some druids have

some people out there like to be different and turn these support classes into fighting classes and people don't let them play the way the char was intended. A feral druid that uses his/her bear form correctly will do more damage, have more life, and have more armor than a warrior of the same level. Basically the same skills as a warrior are also given to the dire bear. I.e. Taunt, Charge, Demoralizing shout....People just don't like to have druids/priests/shaman on their teams that do nothing but fight, but instead want healers to be their bitches. However in the higher lvl instances, the healing power of a holy priest will be needed. Prayer of Fortitude is another very cool skill. You're going to need to have access to very powerful and mana efficient heals since your main tanks will have 4500+ life and most 55+ elite shit, esp elementals, hit you for 300+, the extra healing will be needed. The best 5 man group I've had for BRD was: 57 Shaman, 57 Holy Priest, 58 Warrior, 60 Rogue, 60 Warlock. We did the entire instance (to the emporer) with only wiping once to the Lyceum after our Warlock ran out of mana .

McDanger, all you've managed to do is claim to have 2 good warriors in your guild of ?? and repeatedly call me an idiot. I've given plenty of rants of what a warrior is as well as the problems and finer points are of being a warrior. Now either prove me wrong or keep wondering why nobody on WoW seems to ask, ubrs group forming, we need a hunter

2/7/2005 8:26:14 AM

as a lvl 48 warrior, i'm not having much trouble PvPing. I'm fury spect and so long as i get off my charge before they attack its all over after that. Plus using beserker stance as soon as i rend my target i can go immune to fear and other knock down effects and do as much damage as i can. Only problem I have is the miss rate. Of course it helps to have 4800+ armor and 3100+ hp

2/7/2005 8:34:31 AM

Spider belt is propobly going to be nerfed. And it needs to be. However, just buy some free action potions instead.

I just respecced my druid to restoration. I was balance. Innervate and instant cast are badass.

[Edited on February 7, 2005 at 8:50 AM. Reason : ed]

2/7/2005 8:50:05 AM

Hunters are awesome..every group should have a hunter if not for the pet to off tank. Which I have found that hardly any hunters that I group with off tank with their pet. Of course when you have a group with more than one hunter then that can be trouble. 2 of any other class seems to work but multiple hunters seem to be just trouble.

2/7/2005 8:57:19 AM

I have killed warriors 5 levels higher than me without being touched.

Pally's are healing warriors, and I've killed pally's 4 levels higher than me.

It is all about timing. A pally throws up a divine shield after my pyroblast, and begins to heal himself, I count 2 seconds and start casting fireball... and soon as my fireball releases, his shield drops.... then fireball, fireblast, (stun) or (counterspell), blink, nova, cone, fireblast (stun) or (counterspell), Arcane Missles, the end.

Most pally's think divine shield makes them jesus, but I'm lucifer.

Can't touch a 20F/31A Mage spec. My ass has only been handed to me by higher level mages. I can blink out of most any situation with ease. I was trailed by 2 ??? alliance yesterday ON MOUNTS, and I out-manuvuered, managed to draw mob aggro onto them, and out blinked them and waved at them the whole way.

God I love PvP servers.

2/7/2005 9:41:59 AM

by the way

Dueling between factions won't be allowed anymore.

And UD warriors can't be charmed/feared/slept.

That is all.

2/7/2005 9:55:05 AM

2/7/2005 9:59:04 AM

Quote :

"I'm not going to waste my time leveling a warrior to level 30"

Not going to waste your time?

YOU'RE ALREADY PLAYING THE GAME

IT'S ALREADY A WASTE OF YOUR TIME

That's like saying "I'm not going to waste my time in an AIM chat room" when you spend all day on AIM

I know exactly what happened. You've gotten killed by some Alliance Warriors and been outdueled by some of your own guild's warriors. Now, to save face, you're trying to champion that warriors are a great class.

Not going to fly.

2/7/2005 10:23:30 AM

lvl 60 warrior vs lvl 60 paladin

paladin is unarmed, paladin still wins

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-warrior&T=91570&P=1

already 22 pages long, surely there is nothing wrong with warriors and 95% of us seem to not know how to play our class

2/7/2005 10:47:00 AM

again im sure warriors have their probs but i CAN compare rage to mana. sure you have to work for it, but guess what...you still have an assload of hp and do decent dmg melee. if a caster runs outa mana, they have limited ways to get it back, most of which are not great.

i understand your point about the miss rate, but you cant complain cuz ur warrior cant do a lot of super dmging moves off the bat...thats why ur a warrior. casters pay for that ability with crappy ac and hp, thats how any mmo (or most games) work... ur supposed to take it.

2/7/2005 11:08:41 AM

As casters, we can increase the size of our mana pool right from the beginning, so that going into battle we have more mana and don't run out. We also start the battle being able to drop incredible amounts of damage with no problem whatsoever.

Warriors don't have that option.

[Edited on February 7, 2005 at 11:23 AM. Reason : .]

2/7/2005 11:20:46 AM

porcha what is this video supposed to prove, other than that Light is a shitty fucking PVPer? (some shit us Stormreaver kids ALREADY knew?)

I don't even play a fucking warrior, but do I have to educate you on what he did wrong here? I've never even remotely seen a problem with my two friends who actually know how to play the warrior class. Seen them tear through paladins, and rogues, and other "problem classes oMGZ QQ CRAI" while I just sat back because they didn't need the help.

2/7/2005 11:43:49 AM

Record some duel videos, we truely are intrested in being proven wrong. Ill help host them if lots of people wish to learn proper fighting tactics.

please dont waste our time showing anything other than a fair 1v1 duel, i could care less to see a pvp gank fest.

thanks for your time, and once again I do hope you prove me wrong.


Quinn

2/7/2005 12:04:02 PM

McDanger loses to warriors in duels.

So it's obvious there's nothing wrong with them.

2/7/2005 12:14:39 PM

Warriors are gimp in PvP, its really not debatable

2/7/2005 12:23:07 PM

^

Apparantly some view it as not only being argueable, but anyone who doesnt think they are well balanced is a "fucking moron".

welcome to the fucking moron train

2/7/2005 12:30:44 PM

choo choo

2/7/2005 12:46:57 PM

ok heres my question...as an orc warrior should i start focusing my talents in fury or arms?

2/7/2005 12:58:12 PM

I duel constantly, and I can safely say that warriors are the worst class in PvP.

However, high level "Rage" potions would fix this problem... kinda. I think Blizz should add a roar that produces instant rage, or something, b/c you cannot expect every warrior to be an alchemist.

I think the warrior class is deficient b/c of poor Rage production and low DPS, because I have seen Pally's produce the same DPS as warriors, PLUS they can heal and Divine Shield.

If the next patch was designed to level the playing field, Blizzard should nerf pally's, buff warriors, nerf WOTF, nerf shammies, and do something to mages, b/c we fucking rock everyone. LEAVE ROGUES ALONE! I'm tired of people bitching about them. I have NO problem with rogues.

[Edited on February 7, 2005 at 1:23 PM. Reason : -]

2/7/2005 1:13:04 PM

Stim, ehhh I don't think mages rock at all. Aside from insta-casts, mages can't consistently deal damage to me.

I would like some more powerfull spells for warlocks lose either the casting time, reduce recharge, or not cost a soulshard.

Cause lets be honest, not having a soulshard for me is akin to not having any gas in an automobile.

I've done both

2/7/2005 2:15:24 PM

a properly speced mage will own house, stim is right. i agree with everything he posted above. the only lame thing is if u fight and get a cast time additive to your insta casts, which seems to be a bug.

2/7/2005 3:12:55 PM

You guys have no idea what you're talking about

But it's okay

BECUZZ THAT VIDEO IS PROOF POSITIVE!!!!111111111111

Except that warrior sucked

And so do most warriors

You should not change how a class is built just becase 99% of the people who play it don't know what the fuck they're doing

2/7/2005 3:29:10 PM

Quote :

"McDanger loses to warriors in duels. So it's obvious there's nothing wrong with them."

BTW just in case you were wondering -- duels are the worst fucking measure of how a class holds up in pvp

EVER

AND IT HAS BEEN THIS WAY FOR EVERY GAME THAT HAS PVP

but that's okay don't take my word for it

The majority of you people are fucking bluebies who just hopped on the pvp gravy train for WoW and don't have a clue

Edit:

Quote :

"Now either prove me wrong or keep wondering why nobody on WoW seems to ask, ubrs group forming, we need a hunter"

Because hunters are DPS machines and they have no specific skill that makes them good for raiding instances. Are you that fucking stupid that I have to explain it to you?

Stein --

Come on bro, you're a lot smarter than this. I kick the shit out of alliance warriors constantly -- mostly because the alliance is full of worthless pvpers who don't have a clue. A well played warrior causes problems for a hunter due to their in-battle charge and hamstring abillities, though.

BUT MCDANGAR IN DUELZ U CAN KITE OUTSIDE OF THEIR RANGE LOLZ

yeah, try and do this in any zone and see how fast you run into aggro.

[Edited on February 7, 2005 at 3:34 PM. Reason : .]

2/7/2005 3:31:02 PM

Yeah..most warriors don't know how to use their stances properly. I have seen a bunch of stupid Warriors. I have maybe seen one good Warrior since I have started playing. The rest just don't use them right. It is like seening a hunter not using his pet or a ranged weapon and saying that his class is weak and needs a buff by Blizzard.

2/7/2005 3:45:23 PM

McDanger double posted, what a fucking n00b




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2/7/2005 4:00:14 PM

Quote :

"a properly speced mage will own house, stim is right. i agree with everything he posted above. the only lame thing is if u fight and get a cast time additive to your insta casts, which seems to be a bug.p"

If you stand in the rain, you'll get wet.

If you jump off a bridge, you will fall.

If you score more points then the other team in basketball, you won't be NC State.

No shit.

A properly spec'd Mage would be good. A properly spec'd anything would be good.

However, I've personally never come across an engagement with same lvl mage where I thought "oh shit, im fuxed." /anecdotal evidence

I mean there is subtle point here that McDanger and I are making.

2/7/2005 4:55:14 PM

Who cares if you have some competent people in your guild that play warrior, thats not the point. Take a person of any skill level, if I had to fight them and had a choice of what class they played it would be warrior every time. Yeah your warrior friends might be decent in PvP, but they would be machines of destruction if they instead played priest or a mage.

2/7/2005 5:59:27 PM

^^

You are a level 40 warlock, please don’t bother preaching a sermon on high end content when you know nothing besides what your friends feed you on guild chat. Nobody (except a warrior lol) is going to go out of their way to tell you how badly they suck. You honestly just don’t have any kind of grasp on the power a fire spec mage has at 50+ . if you feel that a 1v1 fight where there will be no outside interference, as in no help from others and no mobs chasing you through the zone isn’t an adequate way in which to judge how a class fairs against another I don’t think there is much i can say. not only does it not make sense why a duel is a worthless measure of performance, its just plain stupid. im still waiting for these videos, i can teach you how to use fraps and movie maker over aim. i want evidence and not your opinion about how you stumbled across someone while they were leveling. For fucks sake even a support class priest can win in duels. i don’t know where you get off thinking group battles are the only way to judge effectiveness. yes it is one way in which to measure effectiveness but saying it is the only way is absurd and naive.

again, I’m waiting for some proof , and I’m more than willing to say I’m wrong when proven so in an adequate and professional form.


Quinn

2/7/2005 6:28:17 PM

Quote :

"yes it is one way in which to measure effectiveness but saying it is the only way is absurd and naive."

It's the only way that matters

Unless you plan on owning the battlegrounds by yourself

2/7/2005 10:39:43 PM

When Battlegrounds comes out, all anyone is going to do is bumrush the healer.

Actual people don't use a mathematical formula as to who has made them madder.

They rush the weak link.

2/8/2005 12:29:13 AM

They need to nerf priests, because I fucking ROCKED Booty Bay today. Stimwalt (lvl 37? mage) and myself (lvl 40 priest) were destroying paladlins, mages, rogues, druids, anything in our way in Booty Bay, all between the ranks of 30-45 in multiple fights over and over. We held down the fort for Waagh Brigade.

-0

2/8/2005 12:50:46 AM

I give respect to anyone lightin up booty bay, I swear every time we raid that place its 10x better than anywhere else

fuck alliance

2/8/2005 1:36:50 AM