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11/3/2006 11:02:46 AM

so the analogy wasnt perfect but the part i left out is really invalid.

like i said, i hope the people who are innocent dont stay punished, and as much as i have no sympathy for skipping content that is boring for a lot of people, it is just a game and i hope peoples accounts could be reinstated for BC possibly that were banned.

11/3/2006 11:15:02 AM

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"its not a paladin thing. Its a numbers game, just hard to recruit good, geared people on the horde side. "

hahaha bullshit

its a fucking class with plate, shitloads of healing, the best buffs in the game, that can make itself immune, and debuffs that are great for the entire raid.

vs

a class in mail, with ok healing and shitty buffs that only affect the people in their group that are standing next to them.

11/3/2006 11:30:58 AM

theres no doubt pallies are a pve advantage atm

11/3/2006 11:37:20 AM

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"The trash in that instance goes from the door till cthun. And then you end up with more then half his drops doing downgrade/alt/forced/shared "

for every guild sapph+ aq40 is the same way :x we have to go back sunday and clear for our second ateish. I'm just saying it's not that bad. last time we went to aq40 not one single item before ouro was taken by anyone, even as a joke.

11/3/2006 11:42:48 AM

You're way out of the loop if you think Pallies are the reason Horde is behind in raids. Maybe indirectly, sure. The real problem is that 90% of the people that give a shit about progress have rerolled Alliance to be on the faction that actually has enough population to support more than one high-end guild per server.

11/3/2006 12:03:04 PM

I'm raiding in an Alliance naxx (gnome lock go go)guild right now and those buffs are no joke.

Its true though, paladins are gay.

11/3/2006 1:25:37 PM

super gay

11/3/2006 1:30:42 PM

i promise you, the biggest disparity in current end game raiding is due to numbers, not paladins. Yes thier buffs are fantastic and all but the issue with naxx is the raid stacking that needs to take place for some encounters, the horde literally do not have the numbers to support guilds the way alliance do and have. Numbers are the most important thing.

11/3/2006 1:36:59 PM

I suppose Paladins do decrease the player quality requirement for success.

11/3/2006 1:41:01 PM

its not about numbers

If a horde guild can fill a 40 man raid every night with a decent class balance, it's not about "numbers".

Our guild fills the raid everynight with a pretty good balance. We're #1 on horde progression, but yet we are behind 3 alliance guilds on the server. We haven't had a high turn over either. A lot of us have been playing together for a very long time.

and as a priest wearing cloth vs a paladin in plate with the same amount +healing and can easily keep up with me. Then if you have like 5 paladins with a Lay of hands rotation on the main tank and BoK on your tank, shit goes good PvE. Especially with their priests being able to drop fear ward on nef and other fearing type fights.

this has been beat to death on the forums here and in WoW. Wait ti'll the X-pac. Horde will easily keep up with alliance.

11/3/2006 1:53:37 PM

Seriously.

I've seen raids on both sides of the fence.

Alliance are clownshoes mode.

I mean you really really have to try to get killed.

[Edited on November 3, 2006 at 1:57 PM. Reason : in fact, I feel retarded for not having rolled alliance in the first place.]

11/3/2006 1:57:06 PM

Orcs best race.

11/3/2006 1:58:46 PM

^ for pvp sure thats why i rolled one. PVE it dps helps a little maybe. other than that, we're not much more powerful in PVE.

11/3/2006 2:00:35 PM

well i mean best race as far as story as well.

11/3/2006 2:02:48 PM

true, orcs are pretty badass all around imo

11/3/2006 2:08:44 PM

well lets do the numbers:

Alliance
NE - fags
gnomes - fags
dwarfs - fags
humans - fags

Hored
Orcs - Super bad ass
Taurens - pretty ok story
undead - ok for the 12-15 year old crowd
trolls - trolls

11/3/2006 2:10:54 PM

No way dude

Gnomes are l33tsauce.

I can hide in bushes and be pew pew.

11/3/2006 2:21:23 PM

i have to agree that gnomes are the best alliance race

11/3/2006 2:32:10 PM

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"its not about numbers If a horde guild can fill a 40 man raid every night with a decent class balance, it's not about "numbers"."

It's completely about numbers. It's about the standards you have to maintain to be at the top levels of progression versus the compromises you're forced to make to have enough people to raid. When you have members slacking on farming pots, or dipping too low on attendance, or causing drama - you don't have the effective threat that the offending member will get kicked and someone else will fill his spot. My guild only has 5 Naxx bosses down, but who exactly are we going to recruit from? No other Horde has even killed Huhuran more than once or twice.

We know exactly what we need to do to increase our pace and make some real progress in Naxx - the problem is, we can't, because to do so we'd have to cut people that we can't replace. Horde won't catch up in BC. Smaller group sizes will help, but not a lot.

11/3/2006 2:47:39 PM

Uhh

When you're the top horde guild on a server you effectively have an infinite pool of players.

Guardian Azaka can back me up on that experience.

Alliance - EZ mode.

11/3/2006 3:29:09 PM

^^ thats preciosuly it, one of the reasons OR transfer originally (besides shadowmoon sucking donkey cock on RCL/FBB/Lagout) as that on BDF we could recruit transfer. When you are 8 bosses deep in naxx, working on #9 and the 2nd horde guild is on skarem/nef then you do not heave a pool of geared, talented recruits. As oppsoed to on the alliance side where there were 5-6 post emps Alli guilds at that time. Numbers play a massive roll. Once you look at the raid stacking involved in Naxx (hello patch, loath, 4h,) then it becomes a real issue. It would have taken, literally, every tank on Shadowmoon to do the horsemen fight.

OR had something like 90 accounts on roster for raiders/casuals (up 65% raid attendance) That included 10 raid and 4 casual warriors. Our 'casual' warriors had all main tanked BWL/AQ before and tanked on lesser bosses/adds in naxx

[Edited on November 3, 2006 at 3:33 PM. Reason : ^]

11/3/2006 3:32:00 PM

it's just a game guys

11/3/2006 3:33:41 PM

Like I'm not making up the fact that these instances are easier for alliance.

11/3/2006 3:36:52 PM

^^^^ i bet your one horde guild has 5 naxx bosses down but 5 other alliance guilds have 10+ down. Do you think those 5 other alliance guilds are more hardcore than your guild? do you think they have better players? do you think they spend more time in end game than you do? There is another factor besides "standards" and "population".

If you can be immune to something for almost a full minute is fucking retarded. Swapping shaman around for mana tide every boss fight is fucking retarded.

[Edited on November 3, 2006 at 3:39 PM. Reason : s]

11/3/2006 3:38:03 PM

And novicane wins.

11/3/2006 3:38:37 PM

11/3/2006 4:35:54 PM

so overrated's AQ40 DkP site only had Skeram and C'Thun entered in like the last few raids.. lol.. gg

11/3/2006 4:40:15 PM

heres a worthy SS

i agree with everything SandSanta has said on this page

11/3/2006 4:56:28 PM

that being said ORs dkp has normally beend vics/oruo/cthun and maybe emps since july. We were doing monday night clears of lesser guild instances when they were doing tryign to progress. Atleast we killed 3 skarems. There were a few weeks back on SM where all we did was pop in and kill ouro/chtun out of a russian guilds aq because they stoped raiding mid day/early afternoon monday so we just picked it up and kept it open. (normally had cthun trash killed since they were working on him)

11/3/2006 5:14:26 PM

So whats the story with Overrated?

11/3/2006 9:54:07 PM

Let's see, whats the best way to put this......

Overrated

that about sums it up.

11/4/2006 1:05:30 AM

i think we still have 20-30 members that have accounts, i know i have mine.

as for the video game addiction clinic thing. It doesnt really apply, msot of the guys were nearing burn out and were peacing out between now and TBC, about 15 of the banned players had alreayd told the guild they werent staying for the expansion.

11/4/2006 11:11:38 AM

he's going to hell


in other news hoping for first sapph kill today and first kel attempts

11/4/2006 4:26:32 PM

did you guys get it?

11/5/2006 11:17:32 AM

we got 16% our first attempt ... and 6 hours later it had only gotten worse so we stopped.


gonna try again tomorrow.

11/5/2006 7:16:43 PM

Anyone have a naxx-raiding guild recruiting warlocks?
There are TWO top end horde raid guilds on emerald dream, and neither is making any progress in naxx - or recruiting for that matter.

11/5/2006 10:16:25 PM

My guild got our first Onyxia kill tonight. I know it's oldsauce for many of you, but we were excited.

11/6/2006 12:44:57 AM

man i remember my first ony kill, damn that shit was cool.

also 39 pvp is the most fun shit ever.

11/6/2006 12:47:05 AM

I remember attempting rag for the first time right when killing him meant something.


shit was intense

11/6/2006 12:52:30 AM

grats darkone =) I actually kinda miss ony, I'd like to do a 10man or something just for old times sake before TBC. Its been a long time since I've seen her ugly face.

bleak, did you see the video I posted of our first Rag attempt Way Back When on the hellscream forum? It was a few weeks ago.
http://files.filefront.com/immortalis_wipewmv/;5959247;;/fileinfo.html
btw why is spriggan so pissed at you?

[Edited on November 6, 2006 at 1:46 AM. Reason : zz]

11/6/2006 1:35:06 AM

My guild on Gorgonnash (Target Dummies) just downed C'thun a few days ago. Horde side first for that server, we're behind 4 Alliance guilds though. Primary raiders (red team) starting work on Naxx tomorrow. Just killed Rag for the last time tonight. We're still doing Ony runs just because it takes about 10 minutes and it's a pretty easy fight, but we've decided to stop running MC with the second string raiders (blue team... yeah, that'd be me ) so we're moving on to BWL. One nice thing is that red team has BWL on farm status (they've stopped running it as a raid and are sticking to AQ40/Naxx) and blue raids are mainly people who can't raid full time with red and alts of red members, so progression through BWL shouldn't be that much of a problem.

11/6/2006 2:37:10 AM

I'll talk to you in pm's about sprgg. and ya I still had that vid on my hard drive from when it was made.

11/6/2006 8:43:04 AM

I actually like AQ40 loot. Only reason I go to BWL is for rejuv gem, elementium band and emp. leggings. Much rather wear drops off of twin emps, fankriss, bug trio etc... They actually have some pretty nice priest gear.

Getting kathoon to stage 2 pretty often now, have a feeling he goes down this week.

That screenshot is best in the world.

11/6/2006 9:01:25 AM

helped a newish guild get hakkar down to 33ish % on their first attempt last night.

oh yea

11/6/2006 9:31:44 AM

AQ gear sucks when your farmin naxx (kinda like mc gear sucks when your farming bwl)

but again we start.

11/6/2006 9:56:47 AM

Nobody is really "farming" naxx though.

Rather, specific bosses they can down.

The 40 man raid concept is seriously retarded as is spending 5-6 hrs a night playing. They better have toned that shit down in expac.

11/6/2006 11:08:39 AM

RECRUIT MEEEEEEEE

11/6/2006 11:16:10 AM

we were 'farming naxx'. 3 nights to clear it out. scary thing is thers a good chance we can be back in naxx before tbc. we still have a 9/9 mt, 6/9 ot, and a couple of tier 2/2.5 tanks with a few pieces of gear.

11/6/2006 11:26:02 AM

Do you really want to do that? I couldn't taking 30 new people through that learning process after doing it once already.

Are most of the people that got banned using this to escape the game?

11/6/2006 12:10:53 PM