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"Wolf Pack"

5/3/2012 11:55:56 AM

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"dude, i can't spend two full days explaining to you how our lineup works. i'm going to give it one last try. we have lorenzo brown we have someone else that's 6'5" or under we have scott wood we have two forwards that's how our basketball team works."

We have to play defense as well. You keep forgetting that. It's sad that after two days, you still can't figure that out.

Harris couldn't fucking guard anybody. He's too slow to guard quick/athletic forwards and too small to guard the big ones. He COULD have possibly bulked up during the offseason and changed that...but instead he wanted to be a whiny bitch and transfer.

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 12:01 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2012 11:58:56 AM

oh we have to play defense? thanks dude.

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"Harris couldn't fucking guard anybody. He's too slow to guard quick/athletic forwards and too small to guard the big ones. He COULD have possibly bulked up during the offseason and changed that...but instead he wanted to be a whiny bitch and transfer."

what the fuck are you talking about? you went from arguing about centers to saying that harris isn't good enough to guard anybody. is he not a center or not good enough to play any position? you're right in that he's not a center, but then again you're actually wrong b/c neither is anyone else on our team (that plays). you're wrong if you think he's too much of a liability to put on the floor at all, ever.

it's like you didn't watch this team play at all. you have no idea how we manage the roster, and don't seem to realize that painter didn't have a center's game, or body, at all.

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 12:05 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2012 12:02:13 PM

We do...but Harris also sucked on offense as well. Despite only playing .2 minutes a game, he managed to lead the nation in committed charges...as well as jacked-up/missed shots per minute.

5/3/2012 12:04:03 PM

see my edits in ^^, they apply to both of your posts.

5/3/2012 12:06:19 PM

I didn't think Harris sucked that bad on defense, for a freshman.

5/3/2012 12:10:02 PM

I don't ever recall "arguing" about centers. I said Painter played center and you said he and Harris played the same position. Whether you like to admit it or not...for basketball purposes, Painter played center. He guarded the opposing team's center 99% of the time he was on the court. Harris never has and never will do that (unless every single post player broke their legs).

And in the UCLA high post offense, there are interchangeable positions...but they are usually between the 4 and the 5....and the 2 and the 3. Harris is a 3/4 tweener...so that's why he's most often the odd one out in the offense (and why he didn't get a lot of PT this year). He wasn't good enough in the post to play the 4/5 or good enough on the perimeter to play the 2/3.

Alright...I'm done arguing this shit.

5/3/2012 12:11:47 PM

see you keep saying that harris wasn't good enough to play, but he was our 4th man out. you're objectively wrong about this.

5/3/2012 12:15:55 PM

We DESPERATELY needed depth last year, yet he hardly played. If he was at least below average, he would have gotten significantly more burn. Think of how many times Leslie, Howell, and Painter were in foul trouble, and Harris still barely got any PT. How do you not get that? We were 7 deep and had two guys that were consistently in foul trouble...yet Harris couldn't get consistent minutes??

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 12:19 PM. Reason : I lied...wasn't done arguing]

5/3/2012 12:18:08 PM

good grief.

End of argument.

Harris had potential. He wasn't good yet. Losing him may not affect the outcome of a single game this year. Yes, he may have helped us a win a game along the way, but he would have helped us lose one too.

He may develop into a solid player and we may end up regret that we lost him. We may get a better recruit due to having more playing time and it be the best thing that ever happened to us (like Harrow leaving helped us land Purvis).

Either way this just isn't a big deal. If we'd lost this guy because our program was in shambles it would be one thing, but we're losing him because our program is too good for him. Good riddance. Let's get guys here who want to be here. There seem to be a lot more of those these days.

5/3/2012 12:21:19 PM

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"we have lorenzo brown we have someone else that's 6'5" or under we have scott wood we have two forwards that's how our basketball team works."

5/3/2012 12:22:20 PM

thank God

5/3/2012 12:25:54 PM

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"We DESPERATELY needed depth last year, yet he hardly played."

yet our depth situation is going to be WORSE this year if we don't land jefferson. you seem to have no grasp of this concept whatsoever.

5/3/2012 12:26:54 PM

Warren, TDT, Vandy.

5/3/2012 12:30:24 PM

Not a perfect science but in general, the leap between freshman and sophomore year is typically the greatest a player will make. Full year of practicing against high major players, weight training at the college level and basically being mapped out a diet.

^ TDT did zilch to show he should have even played over Harris at all last year. We are definitely thin as hell up front.

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 12:32 PM. Reason : X]

5/3/2012 12:30:32 PM

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"good grief. End of argument. Harris had potential. He wasn't good yet. Losing him may not affect the outcome of a single game this year. Yes, he may have helped us a win a game along the way, but he would have helped us lose one too. He may develop into a solid player and we may end up regret that we lost him. We may get a better recruit due to having more playing time and it be the best thing that ever happened to us (like Harrow leaving helped us land Purvis). Either way this just isn't a big deal. If we'd lost this guy because our program was in shambles it would be one thing, but we're losing him because our program is too good for him. Good riddance. Let's get guys here who want to be here. There seem to be a lot more of those these days. "

This is an excellent post. Seriously.



[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 12:31 PM. Reason : gh]

5/3/2012 12:30:51 PM

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"Warren, TDT, Vandy."

okay so we lose a senior, add a freshman, and keep the same two international kids that are barely serviceable. that looks like a definite loss of depth to me.

what's your point?

if all you're going to do is demonstrate that you don't actually watch this team play, then just don't post man.

5/3/2012 12:36:54 PM

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"same two international kids that are barely serviceable"

Harris and TDT were pretty even last year in minutes and TDT has the capability of guarding bigger post players. And Vandy was averaging 12 min a game before he got hurt. Keep digging simon...

And face just ended this argument.

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 12:40 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2012 12:39:53 PM

Tyler Harris’ dad explains his son’s transfer … and it doesn’t make much sense

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/tyler-harris-father-isn-t-fond-nc-state-150833583.html

5/3/2012 12:40:27 PM

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"Harris and TDT were pretty even last year in minutes and TDT has the capability of guarding bigger post players. And Vandy was averaging 12 min a game before he got hurt."

harris played in the tournament, TDT did not. clearly a conscious decision.

the only reason you say that about TDT is b/c he has bigger arms, he did not demonstrate anything defensively.

vandy averaged 12min/game... the first 10 games of the season, which is irrelevant.

5/3/2012 12:46:15 PM

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"vandy averaged 12min/game... the first 10 games of the season, which is irrelevant."

How is that irrelevant? He is the back-up center. When Howell gets in trouble guarding the opposing team's center, Vandy will back him up (replacing Painter). Harris will not. How is that irrelevant towards our depth issue??

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"harris played in the tournament, TDT did not. clearly a conscious decision."

I know...it was fucking awesome. He came in and jacked up three bricks and fouled twice in a whole 7 minutes. He obviously showed the potential to be a major contributor for the next season.

Gottfried was probably cursing himself for not putting in TDT after Harris started bricking layups.

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 12:49 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 12:49 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2012 12:47:23 PM

it's like you don't even read what i write.

you also don't seem to care that TBDV had a total phantom injury and redshirted. i take that as a clear indication that he wasn't ready to contribute, but somehow you don't?

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 12:54 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2012 12:51:04 PM

RAWR RAWR RAWR LETS ARGUE ABOUT SOME SHIT!!!!!!!

5/3/2012 12:53:03 PM

5/3/2012 12:54:37 PM

NO CENTERS, NO CENTERS...LALALALALALA.....NO CENTERS!!!

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 12:55 PM. Reason : i feel like we're back in Herb Sendek's positionless office]

5/3/2012 12:54:59 PM

The depth argument comes down to this. We simply can't afford to go into a season with FOUR open scholarships and expect to withstand the rigors of an ACC schedule.

Losing Painter most importantly and Harris absolutely hurts our depth.

5/3/2012 12:55:52 PM

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"vandy averaged 12min/game... the first 10 games of the season, which is irrelevant."

i'm not getting into this argument, except to say that Vandy averaged 10 minutes in '10/'11 (including having some decent games against decent teams). He'll be getting most, if not all of Painter's 20 minutes. And mark my words: he will be decent!

5/3/2012 12:58:00 PM

We're also not done recruiting...so while it's okay to be worried now, it more than likely won't happen.

5/3/2012 12:58:02 PM

amile jefferson, save us from this bullshit

5/3/2012 12:58:56 PM

I'm going out on a newb limb here but what does TBDV stand for?

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 12:59 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2012 12:59:23 PM

no no no nym.

it doesn't matter b/c harris wasn't a center. see, we play five rigorously defined positions, and one of them is "center". but harris wasn't a center, so it doesn't matter if we lose him at all, b/c our only depth problem is at center.

painter was a center, even though he is 6'8" and likes to face up. harris was not a center... but is also 6'8" and likes to play even closer to the basket.

TBDV and TDT will take over the minutes that we lost from painter, even though they both barely know how to play basketball and one was redshirted, something that never happens in college basketball.

also harris wasn't good enough to play for us anyway, even though he was clearly our 4th option last year as a freshman. see, we have another freshman coming in that's tall and likes to shoot jumpshots... so that's going to clear up all of our depth problems on the front line. oh i'm also banking on getting another tall skinny kid to pick us over duke and kentucky.

did i miss anything?

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 1:02 PM. Reason : ^ the big dandy vandy.]

5/3/2012 1:01:11 PM

thanks

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 1:02 PM. Reason : edit]

5/3/2012 1:02:21 PM

holy shit, I actually agree with an entire one of face's posts

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"good grief. End of argument. Harris had potential. He wasn't good yet. Losing him may not affect the outcome of a single game this year. Yes, he may have helped us a win a game along the way, but he would have helped us lose one too. He may develop into a solid player and we may end up regret that we lost him. We may get a better recruit due to having more playing time and it be the best thing that ever happened to us (like Harrow leaving helped us land Purvis). Either way this just isn't a big deal. If we'd lost this guy because our program was in shambles it would be one thing, but we're losing him because our program is too good for him. Good riddance. Let's get guys here who want to be here. There seem to be a lot more of those these days."

5/3/2012 1:04:07 PM

agreed

jbrick likes to argue with everyone so this is going to continue regardless

5/3/2012 1:06:43 PM

like 90% of face's posts are totally serious until he starts talking about himself gambling or some shit. you guys should read them sometime.

5/3/2012 1:07:17 PM

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"see, we have another freshman coming in that's tall and likes to shoot jumpshots"

Warren plays more inside than Harris does. Harris shot 13-37 with that heavily influenced "post-game" of his.

And face's post pretty much lines up with mine, btw. Simon is the one acting like we're going to miss the tourney because Harris left.

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 1:09 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2012 1:08:25 PM

that doesn't matter at all. let's say warren comes in and is as good as painter right off the bat. we still have the same depth problems that we did last year. harris isn't going to start, but as a sophomore he would play, and it would probably be helpful. probably more helpful than a couple of international kids that have demonstrated clearly that they don't even know where to stand on a basketball court yet.

also you put "post-game" in quotes... who are you quoting here? i haven't said that.

i am not acting like we're going to miss the tournament b/c harris left. i am explaining to you why you were wrong when you said

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"We lost Painter, so we need a big guy to fill in. That's TDT and Vandy. Harris wouldn't have helped us with that."

b/c it was wrong and i was embarrassed for you.

now i love to argue, so i don't mind doing it, but just so we're clear this is a thread for people that watch us play basketball.

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 1:15 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2012 1:11:48 PM

Sometimes quotes are used to be sarcastic and draw attention to words. You said Warren was tall and liked to shoot jump-shots...sarcastically saying that will help us on the front line. I put quotes around "post-game" to counter your sarcasm with talking about how awesome Harris was with his back to the basket. Harris wasn't good in any relation to the basket last year...except for FT shooting...70% is pretty respectable.

5/3/2012 1:16:49 PM

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"ouple of international kids that have demonstrated clearly that they don't even know where to stand on a basketball court yet"

the numbers from some of his better '10/'11 games were posted elsewhere, i can't find them now. but he had some impressive minutes here and there (the unc game was one). you're going to wrong about vandy. mark my words: he will know where to stand on the court next year! (but yeah, hopefully we'll get another big guy (amile) that will be ready to absorb some of his minutes)

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 1:19 PM. Reason : ]

5/3/2012 1:18:51 PM

5/3/2012 1:19:26 PM

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"you're going to wrong about vandy. mark my words: he will know where to stand on the court next year!"

that's a dandy prediction, and i hope you're right, but at this point it's just pure optimism.

i know that you know that, i'm just pointing it out so that jbrick83 realizes what's going on.

5/3/2012 1:20:36 PM

To correctly point things out to me...you need to put quotation marks around them.

5/3/2012 1:23:24 PM

5/3/2012 1:26:38 PM

I want to believe in Vandy. I really do. But even in the 11 games he played in his third year in the program he had as many fouls aspoints. I just don't see how he becomes a viable player. A spot guy who should get 5-7 mins a game on a legit ACC contender unless he improved by leaps and bounds.

5/3/2012 1:27:17 PM

i put quotation marks around the quotation. that's what they're for. you don't see them? they're inside the box that has "Quote :" at the top.

i put that in quotation marks b/c that's exactly what it says, and i want to convey that to you.

5/3/2012 1:27:31 PM

either way, we can't afford to have any injuries with the way our current roster stands

5/3/2012 1:28:42 PM

^^that's like two negatives...they cancel each other out.

5/3/2012 1:32:36 PM

bro if you want to argue about your shitty arguing, we can do that in chit chat.

itt try to keep it to saying stupid shit about my basketball team. i'm saying "my" and not "our" b/c i'm pretty sure only one of us watches this team play.

5/3/2012 1:34:30 PM

just trying to lighten the mood...bro...

[Edited on May 3, 2012 at 1:38 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2012 1:38:04 PM

could someone with more knowledge of the new NCAA APR rules for making the postseason tell me how, if at all, these 3 transfers will hurt us in terms of possible postseason (in)eligibility in the next couple of seasons? i know it's probably nothing to worry about...just wondering, though.

5/3/2012 1:51:30 PM