267 ftw

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"the best build i can think of for mage arena is 40/0/21. It gives you the best cooldown for burst dmg (AP and PoM), gives you major boosts to crit bonus damage, and gives you ice block which is pretty much necessary for pvp now a days."

I agree. Ice Block in arenas is a must. Not a must in other PVP but VERY helpful. The AP and PoM combo makes for vicious frostbolts, plus FN, shatter, and Ice Lance is beautiful. Arcane/Frost Mages are nice in BG.

[Edited on March 8, 2007 at 1:24 PM. Reason : page #]

3/8/2007 1:23:27 PM

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"Quote : "the best build i can think of for mage arena is 40/0/21. It gives you the best cooldown for burst dmg (AP and PoM), gives you major boosts to crit bonus damage, and gives you ice block which is pretty much necessary for pvp now a days." I agree. Ice Block in arenas is a must. Not a must in other PVP but VERY helpful. The AP and PoM combo makes for vicious frostbolts, plus FN, shatter, and Ice Lance is beautiful. Arcane/Frost Mages are nice in BG. "

i completely disagree, sure you can do burst damage but arena is more about survivability than big numbers. i've been using a 17/0/44 build for a few weeks now with good results. The water elemental is amazing for the ranged frost nova, and coupled with cold snap, ive got 4 frost novas that can be used in a matter of seconds for big frost bolt/ice lance shatter crits (or if the time isnt there to wind up a bolt before the lance, a single lance or imp CoC. add 2 ice blocks and ice barrier to the equation and you have great survivability along with the fact that a constant stream of waterbolts are being spammed from the elemental pretty much the entire match interrupting heals or just helping burn down someone. give a build with the elemental a try, just be sure to map the elemental's nova.

3/8/2007 1:44:28 PM

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=whe0oguoqZGcVooVt0oho

[Edited on March 8, 2007 at 1:49 PM. Reason : arenas are about cc first and foremost.]

3/8/2007 1:48:13 PM

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=TAZZfEtsI0zcest

how is this for a raid tank build?

3/8/2007 2:18:24 PM

imp thunderclap is very nice, esp since its now available in defensive stance and gets the threat bonus (im pretty sure about that)

you may be able to find better use for the 5 you put into 1 hand specialization, since damage really isnt your focus.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=TAZZfEtsI0zcest

thats mine, though im not a 'raid' tank. I need to tweak it some.

3/8/2007 2:22:43 PM

doesn't dmg help gain hate??

3/8/2007 3:06:31 PM

yeah but 10% of shit is still shit for 5 points

so far, ive not had any rage issues without it, my bar stays near the top even spamming devastate, heroic, revenge, and shield bash.

^^ bah i linked the build wrong, thats just a repost of yours

[Edited on March 8, 2007 at 3:21 PM. Reason : *]

3/8/2007 3:16:29 PM

So how long until they figure out they gave warriors too much rage generation and nerfed druids dmg a bit too much and end up meeting somewhere in the middle... 2 weeks?

3/8/2007 3:19:49 PM

I think druids are fine and warrior rage is acceptable.

3/8/2007 3:24:36 PM

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"So how long until they figure out they gave warriors too much rage generation and nerfed druids dmg a bit too much and end up meeting somewhere in the middle... 2 weeks?"

I think that's coming in the same patch where they fix vanish.

3/8/2007 3:26:20 PM

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"you're not on overrated's 5v5 ?! they finished first in vengeance battlegroup last week"

naa, i actually left the guild due to time issues, still talk to a lot of people there though.

I haven't even hit 70 yet (67.5)



JTHM, that builds got a WHOLE lot of waste in it. if you have devestate, imp sunder is worth less, you spend 3 points to save yourself 15 rage per boss... w00pie

try this one.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=TA0cZVZcEtohodfcst

[Edited on March 8, 2007 at 4:01 PM. Reason : a]

3/8/2007 3:46:12 PM

what's wrong with vanish?

3/8/2007 4:51:30 PM

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"arenas are about cc first and foremost"

to some extent. i say its more about chain assisting and good healing. we have no CC many games besides fear (which is a joke of CC against any good teams/smart equiping teams) and are among the top of our battlegroup.

and warrior rage generation is acceptable and i definitely dont feel like its overpowered. There are still situations when im short rage if people are not hitting on me. Warriors only have more rage than they can dish out when you are dumping a lot of damage into them.

and PS any more 'official' word on the netherdrake arena reward mounts? Ive seen 3 conflicting blue posts surrounding the topic that were all somewhat conflicting. one said top 0.5% of the battlegroup in any of the 3 brackets, another said top 0.5% of only the 5v5 bracket for the entire battlegroup and one said the top team or top team of each faction on each server.

[Edited on March 8, 2007 at 8:02 PM. Reason : ]

3/8/2007 8:00:23 PM

this thread needs to stop growing!

Less QQ and more pew pew

3/8/2007 8:13:26 PM

I put on my robe and wizard hat

3/8/2007 8:33:05 PM

So any clue as to how to deal with a warrior as a rogue now, I havent played my rogue in a while and never been great at pvp with him, but somehow he ended up getting to 70 first. Lvling I didnt have many problems with them, but now that I have hit 70 I get obliterated. I ran into a few yesterday and didnt see one hit that was for less than 2k other than some white dmg. Cloak of shadows doesnt help with bleed effects and so vanishing is kinda taken out of my options. Any thoughts?

3/9/2007 10:07:47 AM

get a luffa and try to keep stunlocking them. combat spec won't help you much with these guys, you need to do massive amounts in a short period of time. so high crit rate + high dps and good burst damage are your friend.

3/9/2007 10:15:30 AM

So lets say more than likely I did that luffa quest back at what lvl 20 and destroyed it lol, what now?

3/9/2007 10:17:18 AM

i think there's some trinket or something that will stop bleeding. also try to keep your dodge up a lot and you can evasion fight them if your stunlocking skills aren't too hot. though you still need to stun as much as possible.

3/9/2007 10:20:11 AM

use bleed effects, they aren't mitigated by AC. always have poisons on.

3/9/2007 10:55:34 AM

yea, my hemo build shines when fighting these guys

it's not always 100% but they usually don't wanna risk trying to gank me again after the first fight

3/9/2007 10:57:30 AM

There is no easy way to beat a warrior as a rogue, now.

3/9/2007 12:15:46 PM

my strat for warriors:

sap
garotte
evasion
shiv - crippling poison
rupture
vanish or kite
restealth and repeat

3/9/2007 12:24:42 PM

[Edited on March 9, 2007 at 12:26 PM. Reason : man, they need retaliation in the arena]

3/9/2007 12:25:47 PM

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"There is no easy way to beat a warrior as a rogue shaman, now."

3/9/2007 1:02:14 PM

Yay, warriors suck less.

3/9/2007 1:35:07 PM

nerf warriors.

3/9/2007 1:49:10 PM

So did they change overpower and I never heard about it? Dodging is half the reason I get my face pushed in so evasion doesnt seem like a great idea typically.

3/9/2007 1:54:34 PM

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"get a luffa and try to keep stunlocking them."

Luffa doesn't work 60+.

3/9/2007 1:56:12 PM

^^ overpower still has the cooldown.

Depending on the warrior, evasion can mitigate more damage than that one overpower every x seconds inflicts.

[Edited on March 9, 2007 at 2:41 PM. Reason : *]

3/9/2007 2:40:46 PM

yea, not using evasion versus a warrior because youre afraid of overpower is extremely silly. First and foremost, we get 0 rage from the autoattack on you when you dodge. Secondly, overpower has a *6* second cooldown.

say best case scenario, i have a ton of rage built up. Let's say over a 10 second period you dodge every attack i throw at you. I get 1 overpower in. If every attack had landed over a 10 second period I would have gotten 2 autoattacks in(possibly heroic strike modified), one mortal strike, one whirlwind. Even if none of them crit 2autos+1MS+1WW >>>> 1 overpower dmg wise.

a good rogue with good gear can still rape a warrior's face if they know what they are doing.

Unfortunately if you just hit 70, warriors have crafted weapons most of us took atm that are amazing and the biggest upgrade a warrior can get (2H if they are using overpower) is a new 2 hander. so unless you have some decent weapons you probably are having trouble keeping up with the burst dmg of those weapons.

another possible scenario is you are not putting enough value on stamina in BC. I /lol at warriors and rogues who are in the arena with nothing but full crit and AP gems in their gear and using items with 0 stamina because they want 20 more AP or .5% more crit.

[Edited on March 9, 2007 at 2:56 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2007 2:54:31 PM

Yeah I recently hit 70. I do value Stam though I think I am sitting around 8100hp unbuffed. I have noticed though that every warrior I run across has that god damn Lunar Crescent, nerf BS seriously! I could probably use some weapon upgrades though I think I am still using the Ring of Blood dagger and maybe Stalkers Fang or something. Trying to work on the Shadowmoon chain to pick that one up should help some. Oh and just to QQ some more since I am bored, fuck druids who roll on the assassination set.... its too bad blizzard didnt put in a 5 piece set specifically for feral druids... oh wait.. THEY DID! I am sure that nice cheap shot set bonus is working out great for you.

3/9/2007 3:22:10 PM

yea thats all it is, youll catch up in gear and get used to gameplay at 70 im sure

3/9/2007 3:56:24 PM

I guess I could get a Dirge crafted maybe, and I cant really decide which dagger i wanna grind rep for to pick up, the consortium, keepers of time, and scryers are all pretty nice

3/9/2007 3:59:53 PM

luffa works 60+ it just has a chance to fail

3/9/2007 4:00:54 PM

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"its too bad blizzard didnt put in a 5 piece set specifically for feral druids... oh wait.. THEY DID!"

which set is this?

i agree with you, they shouldnt roll for it, but there's not a set specifically for feral druids to my knowledge...there's wastewalker which is just melee in general, and moonglade, which is a very odd set that seems to be made more for a hybrid build than any one particular spec.

i have the assassination gloves, but there were no rogues in my party and they were an upgrade. i also have the warlock gloves for my balance spec, as there were no warlocks with me on that run.

[Edited on March 9, 2007 at 4:06 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2007 4:05:32 PM

As far as I know the wastewalker set was put in for the feral druid types, I have been passing on those pieces to druids, guess thats what I get in return huh

3/9/2007 4:08:48 PM

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=TV0cZVZbEtoI0zcest

close your eyes and pick where the last point goes.

Define "Raid" because in a true 25man raid improved revenge is useless. it's a great heroics talent, and i guess some in karazhan? But i doubt shit in 25's are going to be susceptible to movement impairing/applied effects of frost/stuns/etc. Maybe i'm wrong, someone ask the tauren from nihilium or vestige. What would you be stance dancing(aside from fears, ward ftw) that you'd need TM ? i'd spend the 3 points in improved TC instead.

[Edited on March 9, 2007 at 4:11 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2007 4:10:14 PM

3/9/2007 4:21:00 PM

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"Oh and just to QQ some more since I am bored, fuck druids who roll on the assassination set.... its too bad blizzard didnt put in a 5 piece set specifically for feral druids... oh wait.. THEY DID! I am sure that nice cheap shot set bonus is working out great for you."

Amen

But I don't have to worry about it since none of it has ever fucking dropped for me

3/9/2007 4:23:35 PM

grandmaster: the revenge stun procs a TON and altho real bosses etc. are immune to stun, the proc still generates a substantial ammount of threat regardless of whether the resist the stun last i was aware.

not saying you should or shouldnt get it just throwing that out there

[Edited on March 9, 2007 at 4:30 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2007 4:30:09 PM

I hate how there is no mail gear with stamina.

I am level 70 with 5600 hp.

3/9/2007 4:37:13 PM

thats because hunters use mail. This means blizzard cant make mail gear good.

3/9/2007 4:45:32 PM

or you fuckers could just join the druids and steal our already halfway shitty, barely an upgrade, rogue gear

3/9/2007 5:12:52 PM

I need to level my druid alt so I can "steal" gear from whiny fucking rogues

3/9/2007 6:43:04 PM

^^if its barely an upgrade, why worry if a druid takes it lol

3/9/2007 6:51:06 PM

I usually have it, because when im prot it's usually for heroics. But I did not know the proc generated threat, that's nifty.

I got this last night
http://www.thottbott.com/i28767

I wanted gorehowl, i'm having alot of fun as MS right now, debating trying fury with this axe mh and TF OH tho.

3/9/2007 7:18:52 PM

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"^^if its barely an upgrade, why worry if a druid takes it lol"

principle

3/9/2007 9:23:48 PM

if they really did put in wastewalker for feral druids, it woulda been nice to give us some specific feral equip bonuses. i dont really have any interest in the set cause blizzard hasnt yet figured out how to gear a feral druid. end game gear and the tiers suck.

3/9/2007 11:12:20 PM

few bars to 70 and my computer breaks

FUCK

3/10/2007 4:44:43 PM