When the aggro hits the fan, who would you rather having protecting your casters?

4/11/2007 4:25:33 PM

How is a hunter going to be any more effective at anything then a mage or warlock, all things being equal?

4/11/2007 4:33:48 PM

hunters are amazing in 5v5

4/11/2007 4:35:45 PM

you just play with shitty hunters.


90% of all hunters are terrible at their class

4/11/2007 5:09:24 PM

^^ agreed.

Hunters are just as effective. They can dps and crowd control. Certain, pets can even offtank if you're desperate.

4/11/2007 5:13:12 PM

Yes ssclark, which is why I don't bother accepting hunters into my group.

I've got 4 good ones on my friend list and thats it.

4/11/2007 5:46:33 PM

they went crazy on elixir / flask change.

4/11/2007 6:00:17 PM

The key is that hunters are "just as" effective. Certainly, a competent hunter is capable of carrying his weight, but there is no class he can really outshine in an instance without a gear advantage. You're always fighting for the "fifth spot". If you have alot of guildmates or friends that play, this isn't a problem. No one is ever going to actively seek a hunter to join their pug.

In alot of cases, "offtanking" is a detriment to the group. Tanks prefer to take as much damage as possible, as long as they aren't in danger of dying. Healers, especially holy pallys, prefer to do single target healing. Mage and Rogue CC is more reliable and results in alot less healing/split healing.

Locks have soulstones, healthstones, curses and multi-situational pets.

Hunters are notorious for idiotic loot choices, breaking CC, and refusing to turn growl off when it's not needed.

I played a hunter for a year and a half. It's a fun class, but when it comes to being wanted for a 5 man instance, the grass is greener on the other side.

4/11/2007 6:09:30 PM

if a hunter is beating your rogue/mage/warlock in dps then that rogue/mage/warlock is shit or has all broken gear.

4/11/2007 6:11:52 PM

I kickass on my hunter; I can easily keep 2 mobs trapped as marks. And the only hunters that have trouble with DPS are those that can't weave steady shot properly.

4/11/2007 6:22:22 PM

http://www.break.com/index/tonite_is_the_end_of_warcraft_261951.html

4/11/2007 6:43:13 PM

the best part is when he kicks the guy in the balls

4/11/2007 8:27:49 PM

Quote :

"HuntersHuntards are notorious for idiotic loot choices, breaking CC, and refusing to turn growl off when it's not needed."

[Edited on April 11, 2007 at 9:04 PM. Reason : tags]

4/11/2007 9:03:56 PM

rawr, guild apping sucks

4/11/2007 10:32:34 PM

Quote :

"Yes ssclark, which is why I don't bother accepting hunters into my group. I've got 4 good ones on my friend list and thats it."

absolutly agree. i group with about 6 people who bothered to give me a shot at a group, I dont bother asking anyone else for groups or using looking for group... it pains me to group with other hunters

4/11/2007 11:26:27 PM

jesus I hate leveling, anyone want to trade an orc warrior for a 68 human pally pvp transferable? Shit doesn't even have to be that high.

4/12/2007 12:32:08 AM

drakk down

loot: beaststalker tunic, tome of the lost, draconian deflector

[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 1:16 AM. Reason : ]

4/12/2007 1:16:16 AM

lol what

4/12/2007 1:18:39 AM

we got very bored and someone wanted finkles skinner so we went old school and took out ubrs, other than that whole leeroy incident (I think I almost cried from laughing so much), it went pretty well

4/12/2007 1:23:42 AM

I recently made a hunter, they're ridiculous.

I wonder what it'll be like at 70

4/12/2007 2:06:59 AM

lonely

4/12/2007 2:26:04 AM

ronery

4/12/2007 3:25:20 AM

Hunters are one of those classes where you are either really damn good or really damn bad. There doesn't seem to be much middle ground. I would never play one again. Too much junk to keep up with and be worth a damn.

4/12/2007 4:11:31 AM

you can do a lot of quests solo as a hunter

with feign death, ice trapping, and a pet for a tank, you do pretty good by yourself.

4/12/2007 8:27:13 AM

4/12/2007 11:06:59 AM

^ been there, done that

4/12/2007 11:17:09 AM

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/cn/stream.php?id=38377

[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 6:40 PM. Reason : fucking awesome]

4/12/2007 6:40:37 PM

this is where they die

4/12/2007 8:39:41 PM

yay epic warlock mount!

4/13/2007 1:33:43 AM

test patch and notes are out. server is up now, cant get through the character copy yet

Quote :

"Fishing has been removed from Arathi Basin and Alterac Valley. "

nooooooooooo

[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 1:48 AM. Reason : up]

4/13/2007 1:43:05 AM

Seems like they're reworking the way sap works for rogues and basically taking out the 'imp sap' skill. I wonder if we'll get a respec for this?


Also poisons now are 100% duration and not charge!

4/13/2007 8:08:53 AM

what exactly is sap? i had a rogue in my WC party last night... is it the thing that made one monster go to sleep?

4/13/2007 8:18:14 AM

Not exactly to sleep more like incapacitated for a while. I havent looked at the patch notes but I like the sound of that, I was getting tired of having to always keep 7 in that tree for imp sap.

4/13/2007 8:35:54 AM

well it'll be nice for my ass/sub build, i'll be able to throw those points into something else more useful

4/13/2007 9:54:45 AM

http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/04/13/2-1-ptr-patch-notes/

It's nice to be able to go full combat swords/maces/fists without having to waste points in the sub tree

[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 9:59 AM. Reason : .]

4/13/2007 9:58:43 AM

.........and the only viable paladin tree has been nerfed bigtime

4/13/2007 10:09:07 AM

I wouldn't say it got nerfed big time as much as I'd say you can no longer be a holy critadin and sit at 60% mana 95% of the time.

The prot tree changes are nice, especially the modification to the captian American shield. I need to grab a tanking set.

4/13/2007 10:28:11 AM

Quote :

"- Screenshots captured using the Print Screen key are now saved in JPG format."

overdue, as, hell.

Quote :

"- "Hunter's Mark": This ability now becomes stronger each time the target is struck by a ranged attack."

Hmm, how is this going to work?
" Hunter's Mark: +11AP per ranged hit, max of 440AP."

[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 10:42 AM. Reason : found it]

4/13/2007 10:38:17 AM

Quote :

"- Screenshots captured using the Print Screen key are now saved in JPG format."

This is the worse change they made. I don't want screenshots with lossy compression. They should have used PNG.

4/13/2007 10:58:32 AM

who gives a shit about screenshots, really?

4/13/2007 11:12:40 AM

Not you it would seem.

4/13/2007 11:15:17 AM

Hmm, the protection tree definitely makes me want to try out a tank paladin, but I dunno if my guild needs a tank or not. Also like the Vengence change, the percentage drop sucks but 15 seconds, stackable... I certainly crit at least once every 15 seconds.

4/13/2007 11:24:00 AM

So, I'm in DIRE need of a new two-handed axe because I'm using a 11 dps axe at lvl 21.

I was looking thru and there's a good one that drops in Deadmines... how do I get over there? the ship in ratchet?

Might have to do it a couple times to get it off of Sneed in there

4/13/2007 12:08:37 PM

It would probably be quicker to grind quests in barrens or stonetalon or to buy a cheap on off the AH than doing deadmines.

4/13/2007 12:11:13 PM

sort of hard to get to deadmines at a low level

you have to run through grom'gol and shit

4/13/2007 12:11:41 PM

AH?

4/13/2007 12:13:59 PM

Auction House, sorry.

Deadmines is an instance geared towards the alliance faction, btw.

[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 12:18 PM. Reason : *]

4/13/2007 12:17:58 PM

Protection, as a pally, is a really cool spec. Captain America AOE Tanking is a blast. Being able to solo difficult quests and aoe grind 6+ melee mobs at a time is impressive.

The downside is that you are always having to prove yourself to pickup groups. Most people don't understand the paladin class, and you will typically be asked to perform another role while someone improperly specced tanks. "Shut it paally, you need to heeel, felguard is tanking."

4/13/2007 12:26:31 PM

I find that pally's hold aggro quite well

I sort of lost faith in the warrior class anyway. None of them are true spec for tanking. I'm glad I can step into a group with a drood or pally, and not wipe.

4/13/2007 12:29:23 PM

youre playing with some shitty warriors

4/13/2007 12:31:13 PM