I bet they announce that iPod's will use Intel wireless chips and we all feel super stupid.

6/6/2005 12:35:37 PM

^ 10 bucks says you're correct.

6/6/2005 12:36:36 PM

Apple to x86

6/6/2005 2:12:50 PM

^ 10 bucks says you're correct.

6/6/2005 2:13:46 PM

Quote :

"Excoriator: If apple announces on Monday that it, "plans to move... to Intel chips in... higher-end models such as the Power Mac in mid-2007" then I hereby pledge to retire this name that same day."

bye

6/6/2005 2:16:41 PM

yeah...not certain why it was such a tough concept to understand

freebsd runs on x86...meaning there's no issue with drivers....actually, i feel like i've posted this before, so i'll stop here....hmm

6/6/2005 2:20:30 PM

quote steve jobs saying that he'll replace ppc with intel in their high end desktops and servers

6/6/2005 2:32:58 PM

HOW DOES YOUR CROW TASTE

6/6/2005 2:33:34 PM

Quote :

"nintool: not certain why it was such a tough concept to understand"

It's not, technologically. I still think it's a tough concept to grasp business-wise though, just b/c there's so much potential downside to it.

IMO Apple's inevitably going to lose its profit margins on the computer hardware by this switch, which still makes up a good chunk of its revenues. Yeah people buy "cool", but I suspect part of the "cool" that was getting bought was having an OS that ran on closed hardware. Why pay the huge premium when you can get a Dell for half the price and the only difference is the operating system?

I'm hoping it'll bring lower prices for end users, but that also means it'll have no choice but to position MacOS X head-to-head vs both Windows and Linux. Microsoft gets the advantage of still controlling the desktop and having more $texas in the bank, and Linux gets the perk of being a free anti-Windows.

I understand the argument about performance, and it'd be nice to build my own Mac like I can a PC (assuming they release OS X as a stand-alone OS). But financially they're going to risk having to use the iPod as a crutch while they try to master walking the tightrope.

I'll trust Jobs judgment on this one, though. He's proven he knows what he's doing over the last 7ish years...

[Edited on June 6, 2005 at 2:42 PM. Reason : ---]

6/6/2005 2:39:29 PM

Wow.

I can't believe it happened.

6/6/2005 2:41:17 PM

Quote :

"quote steve jobs saying that he'll replace ppc with intel in their high end desktops and servers"

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.html

Quote :

"WWDC 2005, SAN FRANCISCO—June 6, 2005—At its Worldwide Developer Conference today, Apple® announced plans to deliver models of its Macintosh® computers using Intel® microprocessors by this time next year, and to transition all of its Macs to using Intel microprocessors by the end of 2007. Apple previewed a version of its critically acclaimed operating system, Mac OS® X Tiger, running on an Intel-based Mac® to the over 3,800 developers attending CEO Steve Jobs’ keynote address. Apple also announced the availability of a Developer Transition Kit, consisting of an Intel-based Mac development system along with preview versions of Apple’s software, which will allow developers to prepare versions of their applications which will run on both PowerPC and Intel-based Macs."

Bye.

6/6/2005 2:41:54 PM

Quote :

"Excoriator "

hahahaha owned

6/6/2005 2:45:17 PM

but can you quote steve

6/6/2005 2:46:04 PM

Quote :

"i have no source i just have business sense i challenge anyone else to meet my level of confidence and commit to retiring their username if apple doesn't announce on Monday that it, "plans to move... to Intel chips in... higher-end models such as the Power Mac in mid-2007""

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HOLY FUCKING THROWN IN YOUR FACE BATMAN

6/6/2005 2:46:41 PM

It's an OFFICIAL APPLE PRESS RELEASE.
Those are more official than what Steve says during a Keynote. It's as official as you can possibly get.



Bye.



(OMFLoophole! Excoriator said mid-2007 and the press release said end of 2007. OMG he's right! we're all wrong!)

[Edited on June 6, 2005 at 2:49 PM. Reason : ]

6/6/2005 2:48:49 PM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=323715

6/6/2005 2:51:24 PM

hahahahah

OMG TWW wins

6/6/2005 2:55:56 PM

my language was very specific

6/6/2005 2:59:23 PM

Quote :

""Starting next year, we will introduce Macs with Intel processors," said Jobs. "This time next year, we plan to ship Macs with Intel processors. In two years, our plan is that the transition will be mostly complete, and will be complete by end of 2007.""

6/6/2005 3:02:55 PM

I said, "in mid-2007"

that's what the article said

6/6/2005 3:06:43 PM

I've never seen anyone so thoroughly own themselves.

6/6/2005 3:17:52 PM

Best thread ever.

6/6/2005 3:18:33 PM

apple owned intel

6/6/2005 3:21:27 PM

dar nevermind

[Edited on June 6, 2005 at 3:24 PM. Reason : ]

6/6/2005 3:24:07 PM

the middle of the calendar year 2007 could be comprised of almost the entire year

6/6/2005 3:29:20 PM

riiiight

6/6/2005 3:37:33 PM

Quote :

"Right. So like I said, this is basic Ries & Trout stuff. What you're suggesting is a bit like Burger King selling hamburger meat at the grocery store. In consumers' minds, Apple = Mac = computer hardware. NOT OS. How does Apple market their OS to consumers exactly without building a whole new brand around it? Maybe the propellerheads will snatch it up, but that does not make for substantial market share. "

No this isn't basic Ries & Trout stuff.

Consumers DO NOT THINK APPLE IS THE HARDWARE. The overwhelming majority of Mac owners are a) Creative Professionals (Artists, Writers, Designers) and b) the trendy regular joe. The first section, I have worked alongside now for nearly 10 years.

I can tell you that the average, the ignorant and the techie Apple user really doesn't give a damn about the hardware itself. They want a machine that LOOKS good, that makes their work look good, that is easy to use, and can do what they want it to do.

Apple users are ungodly devoted to MacOS, not the hardware.

Quote :

"Yes but clearly the iPod market is different than the OS market. There's substantial lock-in with OSes; Microsoft has to support all that "Legacy" stuff because...uh...they're successful. As to OS X itself, they aren't exactly linking against the Win32 API."

Microsoft has to support legacy products because of their Department of Defense contracts. It has absolutely nothing to do with success. They are locked into supporting age old standards until those contracts expire (which isn't for a while yet).

And OSX is linking against the BSD repository, which isn't as large as Microsoft's, but it sure as hell isn't very limited in device support.

Quote :

"So who's the market for this standalone OS besides, uh, propellerhead techies? The home market is all tied up in Windows, the corporate desktop market is DEFINITELY tied up in Windows, and the back-end market is between Win Server and Linux, as well as other *ixes. So Apple is going to ditch the only thing that moves their OS at all (hardware coolness), and just make it a standalone product to fight against entrenched competition? "

Are you serious?

THE WORLD has been looking for a viable desktop OS alternative to Windows for YEARS. Linux still isn't multimedia or user-friendly capable. No one else has stepped to the plate. OSX costs half what windows does, offers so many of the solutions people have chastised Microsoft for for years, and uses an open sourced core.

What moves their OS is a superior product. You missed the boat bigtime on that one. It's apparent from your post that you have little to no history with the platform or OS'. Having used Mac's since the IIe on up through classic and now to OSX, I can HONESTLY say that OSX is a BETTER desktop operating system than Windows in absolutely every sense.

I am a diehard Microsoft supporter in terms of their business, but Apple makes a better OS. And competition between the two is sorely needed, it will result in better products from both companies.

Quote :

"...even though the Mac OS X for x86 still competes against, uh, Windows? Yes, theoretically the market base is 95%. But back in reality, a certain company in Redmond is happily sitting on that 95% of the market, and they aren't letting go anytime soon. My feeling is that, in reality, the two product lines just cannibalize each other and confuse consumers. And the ISVs are stuck with the dual headaches of porting and support."

No they aren't happily sitting on anything. Governments are moving away from windows to Linux on the desktop and server arenas, which says something. Because Linux isn't a good desktop OS, and it's not a good productivity server. So the fact they are STILL switching is a big flag. In addition Microsoft is dropping volume pricing to governments and large corporations 80-95%. That's insane. And it's only helping them barely maintain market share, because it sure isn't expanding anymore.

My feeling is that competition is ALWAYS a good thing. Even more so in a free market economy. ISV's have been porting to linux for years now already, it's not a headache any major vendor hasn't already dealt with. It doesn't confuse the consumer either. Apple has been around for 20 years, people KNOW what a Mac is, they recognize it's a competing product.

By your suggestion, all cell phones should look and operate the same way, so as not to confuse the simpleton masses, god forbid someone come up with innovative and better solutions. There's no need for multiple car manufacturers either, I mean a car is a car right?

Quote :

"What!? There's more to porting the app than just the friggin instruction set. Like, uh, maybe the operating system? I'd say moving from Win32 to, say, anything *ix is the bulk of the work. Maybe they can optimize away their inline assembly and endianness porting, but still... "

Well with games and 3d applications, they are already using SDL, Java, OpenGL and cross plaftorm capable IDE's. For productivity applications, it is a more intense task for sure.

My point is, it's ALREADY BEING DONE, so why shouldn't Apple capitalize on it? The ISV's aren't doing any more port work than they already are, yet now they get a NEW market.

I mean really.

6/6/2005 4:00:41 PM

Excoriator


Glad to see you advertise yourself is a betting man who wont cash in when he loses.

Its funny that you resorted to tl's escape method which was merely a sarcastic remark on your behalf.

Good luck with your business sense.

6/6/2005 4:26:30 PM

gg getting trolled moron

6/6/2005 5:51:22 PM

hahaha this thread is only worth reading for Excoriator's post on the first page and then pg. 3 of pwntology.

6/6/2005 5:54:46 PM

its easy to type

rewards are decent

consequences non-existant

6/6/2005 6:01:54 PM

Quote :

"Jobs introduces Wolfram's CEO, who said they ported Mathematica 5 to Intel-based Macs in 2 hours. Working version in 2 hours flat. Only about 20 lines of code changed."

Quote :

"At the conference, Apple released an updated version of their Xcode development suite. Xcode 2.1 will let you compile to both PowerPC and Intel architectures, creating a universal binary and allowing developers to ship one copy of software that supports both processors. "

Quote :

"Rosetta is a binary translator that will allow PowerPC applications to run on Intel CPUs that will ship when Apple begins their transition. We have seen binary translators used in the past, they are never fast but Apple insists that it will be "fast enough" for those applications that aren't Intel compatible on day 1. "

This illustrates my point perfectly.

[Edited on June 6, 2005 at 6:12 PM. Reason : .]

6/6/2005 6:06:17 PM

Mathematica was already a cross-platform product

Either way, it's pretty cool that it was that easy, especially for such a complex program as Mathematica. Maybe after the transition, The Mathworks will release a native Mac OS version of Matlab. Running it on X11 kills me.

6/6/2005 6:49:15 PM

the age old art of looking like a complete moron and claiming "i was trying to troll someone" .

oh god bless the internet

6/6/2005 6:51:57 PM

Has anyone seen confirmation that Apple is gonna use the x86 arch ?

6/6/2005 6:53:00 PM

Yes, the keynote was running on a standard P4 3.6HT desktop

-and they will be using the upcoming Pentium D dual core chips based on the presentation, not P4's

[Edited on June 6, 2005 at 6:56 PM. Reason : .]

6/6/2005 6:55:36 PM

This will be intersting.
Personally, I'm happy they did it. Now using a more "common" processor, performance increases can happy more than 1 time each year. This also can mean easier/cheaper upgrades, and maybe even build-your-own macs.

However, I just hope apple does not start to enforce any of microsoft-like registration... however, they probably will have to.

6/6/2005 6:56:09 PM

hahaha Excoriator owned

^que?

[Edited on June 6, 2005 at 7:30 PM. Reason : sdfs]

6/6/2005 7:07:16 PM

Quote :

"Has anyone seen confirmation that Apple is gonna use the x86 arch ? 6/6/2005 6:53:00 PM Noen All American 16672 Posts user info edit post Yes, the keynote was running on a standard P4 3.6HT desktop"

Additionally, Apple is offering developer preview machines that are 3.6 GHz P4's.

6/6/2005 8:04:13 PM

to hear you guys, this was predicted individually by each of you 6 months prior to today

the only person with any room to gloat in this thread is Noen, and even he didn't have the balls to backup his prediction like I did

6/6/2005 8:06:04 PM

Too bad you don't have the balls to follow through with your promise. You see, anyone can make bold bets if they never intend to adhere to them when they lose.

6/6/2005 8:25:24 PM

Consider yourself officially called out you faggot

you think you're tough? Then come say the shit you said about me and my friends on TWW to our faces

Can't wait to see your bitch ass crying when you get taken out

6/6/2005 9:09:46 PM

BobbyDigital should suspend his ass and enforce the vow.

6/6/2005 9:17:19 PM

You guys should just schedule a meeting and actually fight instead of gloating about your e-peni.

6/6/2005 9:25:31 PM

if it takes balls to be wrong as shit on a topic, i know lots of people with balls.

6/6/2005 9:28:28 PM

Quote :

"the only person with any room to gloat in this thread is Noen, and even he didn't have the balls to backup his prediction like I did"

True, except you didn't have balls to actually put your money where you mouth is.

6/6/2005 9:35:08 PM

whats funny to me....

A thread that was started to discuss the progress of Apple computers turned into a messageboard tough guy pissing contest.

Excellent.

6/6/2005 10:22:42 PM

Even as I read the post on page 1, I knew he'd squirm out of it.

6/6/2005 10:46:19 PM

If dell uses amd in a majority of its PCs ( read : greater then 50% ) ill retire my username and never post again, ill give it till : mid 2007, late 2007, early 2007, hell late 2006 , why not even early 2006.

6/6/2005 11:02:07 PM

Quote :

"This illustrates my point perfectly."

Spoken like someone who's never done a demo for a trade show...

6/6/2005 11:32:52 PM