Oh no the most powerful class in game got nerfed. Boo hoo.

7/12/2007 9:06:57 PM

I remember way back when.. when warlocks were the worst and least played class in the game...

7/12/2007 9:34:30 PM

7/12/2007 9:40:49 PM

^^^ retarded thing to do though...

'Hey, let's just nerf this class instead of giving other classes a look as to why people complain about them"...

you know, maybe actually help mages and shamans instead of just whacking down one class in pvp...

7/12/2007 9:52:42 PM

If they nerf one class only that class complains.

If they buff one class then every other class complains.

That's why they nerf and don't buff.

7/12/2007 9:55:02 PM

part of the problem is that small lock nerfs are usually huge priest nerfs. (DoTs and to a much greater extent, fear)

nobody gives a shit though, because priests are the universal punching bags

7/12/2007 10:09:22 PM

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"Oh no the most powerful class in game got nerfed. Boo hoo."

7/12/2007 10:44:36 PM

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"you know, maybe actually help mages and shamans instead of just whacking down one class in pvp... "

rofl did you just clump mages in with shamans ?!

lol mages dominate high level pvp ... if you're struggling as a mage in arenas you need to look in the mirror


lol priests are punching bags ? lol who do y'all play with...

dot damage did need a way to scale down but im not sure there was anyway other to do it than to incorporate resilience, unless they added in a seperate stat mod that cost 0 itemization points like feral attack power

[Edited on July 12, 2007 at 11:26 PM. Reason : .]

7/12/2007 11:22:19 PM

resilience was explicitly designed to reduce burst damage. DoT are the complete opposite of burst damage.

7/13/2007 12:25:45 AM

QQ more imo, its about time dots get nerfed.

7/13/2007 12:27:25 AM

its a pretty minuscule nerf to dots in pvp anyways, just enough to not let it get out of hand but not enough to gimp either class/spec that relies on them a lot. no biggie

7/13/2007 12:27:59 AM

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"QQ more imo, its about time dots get nerfed."

oh, I don't care about the dots. I was just pointing out blizzard's knack for arbitrarily changing game mechanics.

I stopped playing a long time ago when it became obvious that blizzard decided that balance would be decided by whoever whined the most. congrats on being part of the winning herd.

7/13/2007 1:10:19 AM

The game is far more balanced now then it was at launch.

Your point is invalid.

7/13/2007 1:24:06 AM

With major organizations like CGS and WSVG using WoW as a professional competition I don't see balance going to "whoever whined the most."

7/13/2007 3:44:37 AM

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"I stopped playing a long time ago when it became obvious that blizzard decided that balance would be decided by whoever whined the most. congrats on being part of the winning herd."

If they did that then shamans would be the most powerful class in the game.

7/13/2007 7:17:43 AM

no... the problem is that blizzard listens to the whiners, and instead of looking at things and buffing the class, they just go nerf whatever other class is giving the whiners a hard time...

don't even bother to consider buffing mages and shamans (mage cast times are ridiculous, shamans are blah), just go nerf another class... and in nerfing one class they screw over priests yet again

7/13/2007 7:34:29 AM

Seriously, there is nothing freaking wrong with mages.

They can easily top raid damage.

They can easily destroy people in pvp. 1on1 included.

7/13/2007 7:54:49 AM

well then why would mages have been at the front of the line calling for the lock nerf?

go to the lock forums, it's not shamans or rogues who were making most of hte qq threads, it's mages

7/13/2007 8:00:01 AM

its not even a gamebreaking nerf really since it is equal to the minus % chance to crit from resilience. I only keep myself slightly above 200 resil in the arenas which is around -5.5% chance to crit or -5.5% reduction on dot damage which means what, a 400 tick would now tick for 380 or so.

on top of that, you have to realize that i did some math on my warrior and averaging out the effects of resilience on myself im seeing a very similar reduction in dmg over a long period of time (say 100 swings). on someone with ~400 resilience or -10% chance to be crit i see around a -11% dmg reduction over 100 swings. over that same time, your dots would have seen -10% in overall dmg.

there were so many forms of lock, shadow priest teams in the 2v2 and 3v3 at the end of last season it was ridiculous.

also, at the same time, they took out the chance to swap armor once the arena gates open meaning melee classes who used shadow resist sets against the lock priest combos now cannot do that. which is essentially a huge buff to lock and priest combos in 2v2 and 3v3..more of buff than the dmg nerf by far in those situations since these teams seemed to be the biggest counter to the death-dot combos.

sure its a nerf but i dont think it is a bad one. i dont think you will see it changing the game for the worse for locks or shadow priests

7/13/2007 8:06:03 AM

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"no... the problem is that blizzard listens to the whiners"

welcome to life. This is how the world works.

7/13/2007 8:18:49 AM

I think mages whine the most about locks because they are a class that has the most problems with them now probably. My rogue used to have major problems but with shiv, CoS, and deadly throw they really arent too bad of a problem. For a mage if you are undead you have a better chance, and yes they can decurse but while you are spending your time decursing you are dying quicklike from everything else. Some classes are always going to have more issues with some and be overpowered against some thats the way it is. Like others said this isnt a major nerf by any means and is only nerfing you in pvp. Nothing is more annoying than a shadow priest and lock simply dotting you up in arena and then running around until you die. Now they can do the same thing, they just have to do it successfully for a bit longer is all so boo hoo get over it.

7/13/2007 8:33:15 AM

Its not a nerf when they change a mechanic to function better.

Of course mages would call for a DoT modifier for resil. seeing as how they can't use there three button gameplay effectively in Arenas anymore.

7/13/2007 10:11:57 AM

a good frost mage can destroy a lock in arenas. polymorph the lock, 1 or 2 shot the pet, cs the lock when he comes out of poly, icelance kite him around the room staying just out of fear/dc radius

7/13/2007 11:26:46 AM

assuming its a 1v1 maybe (or certain cases in 2v2 possibly)...

very rarely are you seeing isolated 1v1 action in the arena tho for all that to happen.

i mean if a mage is just going to do that, hes going to end up being more worried about getting away from me than killing that lock pretty quickly

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 11:31 AM. Reason : ]

7/13/2007 11:30:02 AM

well, to me locks are just a nuisance and don't particularly do a lot of damage quickly. I mainly do 2v2 so we never see a destruction lock and my partner is a feral druid. we kill the pet and either cyclone his healer and I smoke the lock or kill his pet and cyclone him and blow up the squish healer. We're only just in the 1700s (first week) so maybe we havent gone up against anyone quality?

7/13/2007 11:44:08 AM

yea its hard to say. 2v2 is definitely more isolated so i can see your point more. druid mage can be really annoying as far as having no control over the fight from the other teams side. so youre team makeup does allow you to do that more than some other combos would.

i see more affliction locks in 2v2 than anything tho

too bad paid character transfers are down because otherwise id see if anyone on here had a BE paladin taht was an experienced pvper

the thing that is basically causing all 3 of my arena teams to fall apart this season is that we lost our paladin and other players of other classes / other paladins on our server that i would trust have either stopped playing or are on other teams.

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 11:57 AM. Reason : ]

7/13/2007 11:53:20 AM

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"Its not a nerf when they change a mechanic to function better."

Durr . . . a nerf is ANY change which lowers a player's effectiveness. In this case, its less damage output, so by exact definition, its a nerf. I'm not quite sure how people could argue that its not a nerf.

7/13/2007 12:00:57 PM

woohoo wsg weekend

7/13/2007 12:15:32 PM

Yeah my statements arent valid when it comes to arena and such because I rarely do it and usually only with my rogue. Most of my pvp comes in world pvp in which case locks are a serious pain in the ass if they get the jump on you, as a mage at least. As undead I have a chance with WoTF but I'd imagine alliance is pretty SOL.

7/13/2007 3:17:49 PM

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" a good frost mage can destroy a lock in arenas. polymorph the lock, 1 or 2 shot the pet, cs the lock when he comes out of poly, icelance kite him around the room staying just out of fear/dc radius "

Pet eats polymorph.

7/13/2007 3:52:23 PM

my BM hunter pwns lock when my beastial wrath is up.

7/13/2007 4:09:39 PM

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"icelance kite him"

7/13/2007 4:12:07 PM

Is this game still overrun by gold farming Chinese kids and GamePal people?

7/13/2007 4:19:59 PM

What MMO isn't overrun by gold farmers?

Just look at them as free pvp kills

7/13/2007 4:30:55 PM

actually they've weeded out the majority of the obvious gold farmers. Which sucks because some of them were pretty cool guys.

7/13/2007 4:32:57 PM

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"Is this game still overrun by gold farming Chinese kids and GamePal people?"

gamepal is in raleigh apparently

7/13/2007 4:53:49 PM

i wouldn't exactly say it was ever overrun by those types of people

7/13/2007 5:16:50 PM

Gamepal had an ad on craigslist a few weeks ago looking for people with "collections" experience. I had a wtf moment when I read it.

7/13/2007 5:29:52 PM

man, the new paladin changes make me so mad. they're nerfing the hell out of blessing of freedom and they totally destroyed blessing of sacrifice. now the only thing i can do in arenas is bubble and get maybe 1 heal off before it's mass dispelled away.

7/13/2007 8:58:05 PM

^^ yeah, i saw that, i was also pretty "wtf" about it

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 9:10 PM. Reason : oh, and gameapt.com was in Cary, but the site's been down for a month or two and is probably dead]

7/13/2007 9:07:52 PM

terrible mages were asking for a lock nerf



good mages didn't give a shit

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" too bad paid character transfers are down because otherwise id see if anyone on here had a BE paladin taht was an experienced pvper "

i have my be hunter and i'll be 70 on my pally when i get back in the country and get a chance to level. i played a friends pally for a good part of last season and we finished ~2150 ... not incredible but not poor I'd say.

if our mage wasn't so hell bent on being the dd we'd have won more ;x


if transfers come open and you still need a pally let me know. i need time to hit 70 and get up a bit anyway.

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 9:50 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2007 9:46:29 PM

^^I know one of the guys who ran Gameapt. Apparently he doesn't do it anymore. Maxed out his credit cards and shit and declared bankruptcy.

Sucks to be him.

7/13/2007 10:38:11 PM

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"man, the new paladin changes make me so mad. they're nerfing the hell out of blessing of freedom and they totally destroyed blessing of sacrifice. now the only thing i can do in arenas is bubble and get maybe 1 heal off before it's mass dispelled away."

Aww so now you can't make yourself invulnerable to CC, poor you. Welcome to the rest of pvp. Enjoy the 10 second invulnerability, plate armor, and near unlimited mana that you still have.

[Edited on July 14, 2007 at 1:09 AM. Reason : ]

7/14/2007 1:08:03 AM

http://worldofcryingcraft.ytmnd.com/

7/14/2007 2:44:18 AM

there is also a powerleveling place on hillsborough street now next to sir speedy.... theunknowngamer.com i think

so there are at least 3 here

7/14/2007 2:58:39 AM

^^ wow, that shit owns at LIFE. LOL

7/14/2007 9:45:37 AM

^^^ LOLOLOLOL. I'm about to piss myself at work.

7/14/2007 10:13:01 AM

HAHHAHA i like the end... shamans are fine, l2p

7/14/2007 10:13:21 AM

"stupid, stupid, stupid"

7/14/2007 10:19:40 AM

on a scale of 1-10 what are rogues? i can't make that part out

7/14/2007 10:21:21 AM