melee haste nerf confirmed

really getting fucking tired of blizz trying to balance rogue damage with caster damage when all we can do is damage while casters can do orders of magnitude more and can spec into different rolls. it's a real slap in the face after the wf nerf.

atleast I can wreck non res-stacking casters that don't have pvp specs..

8/18/2007 4:21:02 PM

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"atleast I can wreck non res-stacking casters that don't have pvp specs.."

rofl

8/18/2007 5:03:25 PM

ive pretty much given up on rogues for the time being. now i'm back to the wonderful world of frost mages.

8/18/2007 6:29:26 PM

^ shitty rogue anyways

8/18/2007 6:49:44 PM

FARM STATUS!!!!!

8/18/2007 6:50:15 PM

bah i dont raid a lot with my rogue but still in 5 mans and farming that is gonna suck

8/18/2007 6:59:00 PM

well atleast it isn't as bad as ranged haste. Which fucks up your shot cycle.

8/18/2007 7:04:12 PM

it doesn't fuck it up that much. anything over 2.9 speed and your shot cycle wil be very minimally effected by haste.

even when you do clip your autos a small amount your dps will still go up due to the lower cast time on steady shot

8/18/2007 7:09:04 PM

Hunter is the only class where you have to look at haste and think "hmm, is this going to make me do less dps" and then calculate it based on forumlas and mechanics that aren't explained anywhere in the game.


Whereas for rogues its "haste good i press 2 buttans fastar"

8/18/2007 7:54:51 PM

that's true... but as a general rule haste is still good for hunters. as long as it doesn't bring your shot speed under 2.0


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8/18/2007 8:49:48 PM

8/20/2007 10:16:44 PM

I need to sell my account, I haven't even touched it in almost 6 months

8/20/2007 11:25:22 PM

8/20/2007 11:33:05 PM

http://raidhat.nrgservers.net/pics/WoW/UI/new_UI.jpg
http://raidhat.nrgservers.net/pics/WoW/UI/new_UI2.jpg

8/21/2007 12:35:56 AM

Is today a downtime maintenance day or rolling restart day?

8/21/2007 8:38:12 AM

Beginning at 5:00 AM PDT, August 21, all realms will begin a series of rolling restarts. Each realm will be down for no more than 15 minutes. The overall process will last approximately 1 hour. Thank you very much for your patience during this time frame.

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8/21/2007 8:41:04 AM

good enough may get off work early today wanted to know if I should plan on playing some or napping lol

8/21/2007 8:44:57 AM

pretty godly tank stats, azaka....


whats a good shaman ui or addon?

8/21/2007 9:00:01 AM

^^^^I want that, and that, and that.....

8/21/2007 4:31:30 PM

8/21/2007 4:54:58 PM

Illidan down


and gl selling a 6month old acct for more than 20 bucks :x`

[Edited on August 23, 2007 at 11:05 AM. Reason : .]

8/23/2007 11:05:13 AM

it's not that hard... if you have a single 70 on it that's pretty much a guarenteed 90 bucks from gamepal.com... 2 70s will knock the price up another 30-40 bucks, depending on how stripable your account is...

although it's really just an automated system... pay x for levels, pay y for reputations, pay z for mounts, pay q for tier sets...

[Edited on August 23, 2007 at 11:08 AM. Reason : .]

8/23/2007 11:07:40 AM

ive had 2 friends of mine in very similar gear sell their accounts recently for 900 and 825. i dont know that i could sell my guy tho since messing around in wotlk will be fun for a bit and i still logon to talk to friends some. so im sure i wont

[Edited on August 23, 2007 at 11:12 AM. Reason : ]

8/23/2007 11:11:52 AM

Wonder what I could pull on ebay for a packaged deal with 2 accounts/5 70's

8/23/2007 11:16:17 AM

It seems like Ebay has really cracked down. I never see any characters on there. I'm sure there is another venue people are using if you know where to look.

8/23/2007 11:43:36 AM

an account you can sell for around 900 dollars on ebay will net you around 250-300 from sites like gamepal... they typically look for about a 300% markup on accounts... cost of doing business unfortunately with the insane amoutn of accounts that get stolen back, or banned outright by blizzard

ebay sweeps through about once a week (maybe more now) and deletes all online property... selling it there is kinda unreliable...

[Edited on August 23, 2007 at 11:48 AM. Reason : .]

8/23/2007 11:47:37 AM

SAMart IMHO

8/23/2007 12:55:58 PM

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"it's not that hard... if you have a single 70 on it that's pretty much a guarenteed 90 bucks from gamepal.com... 2 70s will knock the price up another 30-40 bucks, depending on how stripable your account is... although it's really just an automated system... pay x for levels, pay y for reputations, pay z for mounts, pay q for tier sets... "

i couldnt sell a 70 on general principle for 70 bucks.

Say you level rather fast and you hit 70 in 11 days played and sell your account immediately and enver log in again. that's only 0.26 per hour. If you had played the acct at all at 70 then it's less. Coupled with the fact that you had to pay 50$ just to start the account.

seems retarded to me. i'd rather just give it away

8/23/2007 1:57:35 PM

11 days to 70 is really fucking fast lol unless you are following some powerlevling guide to a T I guess. I remember hitting 60 in 11 days for most classes was pretty damn fast unless it was your 3rd or 4th char. Obviously it goes faster each time as you know what quests and such blow and what you can knock out quick. My first char was my shaman and it took 20 days to hit 60 .

8/23/2007 2:03:59 PM

"Pmore PUG" on Medivh has now taken down Void Reaver. We are the 4th best "guild" on the server.

Yeah I know that by this point it is more just a conglomeration of people from 15 or 16 guilds than a PUG. Whatever. We still own.

8/23/2007 2:06:15 PM

i hit 70 in 10 days 22 hours on my hunter. one of the many reasons i got into my guild even tho i can't raid.


but i guess for reference ... im leveling a warlock since hunters blow dick ... im 43 with 2 days 16 hours played

and this'll be my 8th character i've leveled to max. 6 60's 2 70's



shaman rogue warrior rogue rogue druid .... hunter warlock

[Edited on August 23, 2007 at 2:12 PM. Reason : .]

8/23/2007 2:10:51 PM

Yeah I wanna say my rogue hit 60 around 14 days, my mage like 11ish, but I also do stupid shit like dick around in town or run myself through things so that slows it down a bit. Ive been trying to figure out if straight grinding is the fastest way or trying to knock out quests. Problem with questing is there is generally a lot of wasted time in traveling especially pre 40.

8/23/2007 2:23:12 PM

7 days 15 hours to 60
11 days 10 hours to 70 on my rogue...screwed around a bit too much in outlands

[Edited on August 23, 2007 at 2:43 PM. Reason : ]

8/23/2007 2:41:53 PM

so what's the most popular PVP dagger build these days at 70? I just got my rogue back, in full epix oO

8/23/2007 10:40:45 PM

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"i couldnt sell a 70 on general principle for 70 bucks. Say you level rather fast and you hit 70 in 11 days played and sell your account immediately and enver log in again. that's only 0.26 per hour. If you had played the acct at all at 70 then it's less. Coupled with the fact that you had to pay 50$ just to start the account. seems retarded to me. i'd rather just give it away"

most of the people who sell their accounts to websites (as opposed to directly selling to other players via ebay or playerauctions or whatever) fall into 3 categories.

1. People who need money quickly.
2. Scammers who fully intend upon stealing the account back after selling it (a lot of people in 1 wind up also falling into this category)
3. People who have played the game a lot and are tired of it (or have moved on) and just want to get rid of their account, and maybe make a few bucks off of it in the process.

8/23/2007 11:05:31 PM

4) leveled while at school, work, or getting drunk via botting and don't care how much they get.

That said, paying like 40 for the game+exp....I doubt i'd ever sell a 70 for 70 bucks. that's just absurd. If you have decent gear/rep try and sell it on a reputable forum imo.

THAT said...im think im about to get rid of all my shits

70 Dorf Rogue PVE xferable karaepix
70 Goat Mage PVE xferable bluegreens
70 Dead Mage PVP xferable kara/crafted epix

first two, seperate accounts same server, anywhere from 50 to 3.5k gold
last one, nfi how much gold is left after azaka took it all. (leik zomg jk)

[Edited on August 23, 2007 at 11:12 PM. Reason : .]

8/23/2007 11:09:28 PM

i sold my druid for around 600 and i felt like i was giving that guy an amazing deal ... there's no way i'd ever sell a char for less than like 200

8/24/2007 2:07:09 AM

Dagger build depends on what you're trying to do.

Mut is pretty popular for both pve and pvp (one puts into combat, the other sub). Combat daggers is good for pve too.

8/24/2007 2:19:52 AM

seems like a bunch of people are thinking of quitting, I'm getting pretty bored too

8/24/2007 2:26:28 AM

mut is poop for pve.

8/24/2007 4:21:59 AM

mut sucks for high level pvp because of its reliance on crit, but i wouldn't say it's crap, especially if you know what you're doing.

that being said i'm combat swords and love it

8/24/2007 7:19:16 AM

I rarely get bored because when I do I just make another character, I have a priest lvling up and a warlock and warrior both closing in on 39 for twinking out, already got most of the best gear possible with BC enchants for them so that should prove fun on days Im bored.

8/24/2007 8:26:05 AM

mutilate is the highest damage per energy attack a rogue can have. 41-20-0 is decent dps raiding with exceptional gear and player. daggers kinda suck balls for pvp though. you could try a build I made up that was really fun for pvp and actually decent in pve, 18-22-21. get prep, serrated blades, lethality, imp EA, malice, relentless, offhand spec and blade flurry. works with whatever weapons you want.

8/24/2007 8:29:30 AM

Where do you guys sell your stuff now that ebay is pretty much out of the picture? I got a 70 pally and a 60 lock I'd like to get rid of.

[Edited on August 24, 2007 at 10:06 AM. Reason : :]

8/24/2007 10:06:13 AM

horde or alliance?

8/24/2007 10:06:50 AM

I don't understand how Mutilate can be a good raid build when most every boss is immune to poisons and that is the meat and potatoes of the damage. Maybe I am wrong since I have not raided with my rogue since BC came out and only had a short time to get to know Mutilate, but from what I have heard now Combat Daggers is still the best raid damage there it.

8/24/2007 10:29:03 AM

very few bosses are immune to poisons.

curator, void walker, hydross (? i forget) are the only ones that come to mind.


also for high end raid damage combat swords generally top the charts. there's also a weird fist/dagger spec that is supposed to be wicked if you have the gear for it.

[Edited on August 24, 2007 at 10:35 AM. Reason : .]

8/24/2007 10:34:54 AM

Ive been pretty happy with combat fists as a good all around build for pve, pvp as well as farming. I really wanna put 5 points back into MoD but dont have anything i really wanna sacrifice. 2v2 arena though its hurting though when the other rogue always gets the jump on me.

8/24/2007 10:37:59 AM

the thing that sucks about fists is that the highest PVE drop is from the first boss in the eye which has less dps than the arena 2 weapons. there are no BT or hyjal fist drops at this time.

8/24/2007 10:56:11 AM

Yep that is very true, I was hoping they were gonna add a fist weapon craftable by JC or something in the last patch when they added new patterns and such. Perhaps in the future.

8/24/2007 11:10:02 AM