Quote :

"perhaps you should l2play and do the instance right , if you fuck up wipe and run back"

i've cleared heroic mech many, many, many, many more times than you this is a new development.

besides, not my fault the healer was using underspore pods for water (~4300 mana/30 seconds or 147 mana/5, compared to highest water which is 7200 mana/30 or ~240 mana/5) and waited to rez the dead warrior

anywho, AV is horribly balanced towards the alliance. i've been doing it a lot today, its a guaranteed 460 bonus honor

12/30/2007 10:00:57 PM

Ive only run it a million times on 4 different chars and yes I know its something new... probably for the reason that if you bring a noob priest like that you deserve to wipe rather than exploit the instance to make it even easier than it already is

12/31/2007 9:42:01 AM

a couple of days ago, I rediscovered AB.

It the only reason I play this game.

So fun.

12/31/2007 5:30:43 PM

do you play a class that sucks in arena or something?

1/1/2008 10:30:29 AM

AB is a waste of time.
WSG. Wow i can't remember the last time i did WSG, i forget it exists except when its WSG Weekend and then i just get pissed.
EOTS is fun for horde on my BG because alliance is SO SO bad at it. 3-4 caps every game with nonstop flag caps.

AV. enough said.

1/1/2008 12:50:15 PM

wsg is my favorite BG if i had to pick a BG. AV was super fun back in group Qs tho

1/1/2008 12:59:17 PM

av que's on vengence are less than 2 minutes

1/1/2008 7:11:11 PM

again, AB

so fun

1/1/2008 7:12:38 PM

LOL at my resto shaman running around with a gorehowl, or fools bane & decapitator, time to respec enhancement i guess

1/2/2008 12:49:05 AM

0-20-41 w/ 1h + shield

1/2/2008 1:47:28 AM

Quote :

"LOL at my resto shaman running around with a gorehowl, or fools bane & decapitator, time to respec enhancement i guess"

soo our best resto shaman had been collecting random shit from kara (he had two decapitors, etc)

decides to go enhancement and transfers off the server.

gg, wth is with shaman.

1/2/2008 8:15:29 AM

transferring to get into a guild where a shaman sporting kara gear is desirable... seems like a great move.

1/2/2008 11:09:21 AM

Hey

Some of the arguments you faggots are making about AV and AB were made nearly two years ago.

Great self troll.

1/2/2008 11:50:59 AM

is "AB is totally fun" a real position to take?

cause... I'll take it

totally fun

1/2/2008 2:20:02 PM

need a good resto shaman in the guild. geared past kara plz.

1/2/2008 3:42:31 PM

double decapitator? that's worthless

1/2/2008 6:48:16 PM

Hydross down last night.

two shotted, can't believe he's that easy.

1/3/2008 10:19:52 AM

lurker is even easier if his adds don't bugout and start teleporting

1/3/2008 12:06:45 PM

we've had lurker for awhile

went and looked at leotheras. Probably going to skip him and do Tidewalker/Fathom next.

1/3/2008 12:27:22 PM

leotheras would be easy if you had a prot paladin i think, for after his whirlwind to snap aggro

i wish our bear tank for Halazzi in ZA had more aggro, i can't do shit in that fight as a shadow priest

put up two dots, MB, flay and i'm aggro capped

1/3/2008 12:41:28 PM

leo and karathress arent hard at all, tidewalker is more just testing your healers ability to heal through quick bursts of damage.

1/3/2008 1:21:42 PM

We tried tidewalker a few weeks back. I don't like the randomness of the fight. He can grab any two people and pretty much kill them instantly if they are healers.

All our attempts one these things went wrong:

He grabbed one of the tanks picking up adds right before an Add call.
He would grab a healer or two healers and then murlocs would swing by and kill them on the way up.
Mages/Warlocks would Aoe and grab aggro after the tanks had been working on aggro for awhile some how.

We haven't tried with an active prot paladin yet. We've been trying to use druid tanking/righteous fury approach with the adds.

Got him 29%.

[Edited on January 3, 2008 at 2:33 PM. Reason : s]

1/3/2008 2:32:18 PM

lurker, loot reaver and gruul down last night... was a realllly long night, but i'm glad to be in a raiding guild again

1/3/2008 5:33:12 PM

Quote :

"i'm glad to be in a raiding guild again"

1/3/2008 6:30:07 PM

i love how i can just log in with my arena partners crank out some games then go arena shopping on tuesdays. highly recommended.

1/3/2008 6:45:24 PM

welfare epics at their finest

1/3/2008 6:51:57 PM

welfare epics are the s1 pieces. s2 is like walmart gear and s3 is jcpenny's. t6 is would be your designer stuff, t5 is department store, t4 is like old navy.

1/3/2008 8:17:45 PM

^^^^ ???

my last guild dissolved and I finally found a good raiding guild on my server that actually needed a tank.

1/3/2008 9:11:11 PM

ha it's just weird to hear someone say that, even though i've said it before i'm sure

1/3/2008 9:17:25 PM

Quote :

"We haven't tried with an active prot paladin yet. We've been trying to use druid tanking/righteous fury approach with the adds."

A prot pally makes this and many other fights trivial. Have the pally stand off to the side out of grave range (it has a range) and spam heal as murlocs are heading that way. They will bypass the raid and go straight for the pally, aoe can open up asap. Also, have a healer down near the graves to heal ppl who are low.

The main thing for this strat is the pally add tank never gets graved.

1/4/2008 3:24:16 AM

Quote :

"welfare epics at their finest"

of course the 1850 and 2000 rating requirements mean everyone can get the S3 stuff welfare style amirite?

Quote :

"Concerns were expressed by the community: Arena PvP was "giving away" gear comparable to that from top-end raids. WoW has swung from "raid or die in PvP" pre-BC to PvP gear holding its own in PvE. Players who were not necessarily good at PvP were rewarded by the Arena system simply for participating."

Quote :

"You're not actually concerned that someone else is getting something easier than you, because you would go do it and wouldn't look back. You're either unable or unwilling to switch to what you perceive is the easier route, and want what you're invested in or willing to do made easier based on what you perceive matches the effort invested in the other. - Drysc"

http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/03/blood-sport-arena-nostalgia/

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 7:31 AM. Reason : ]

1/4/2008 7:20:43 AM

Quote :

"welfare epics are the s1 pieces. s2 is like walmart gear and s3 is jcpenny's. t6 is would be your designer stuff, t5 is department store, t4 is like old navy."

i agree about S1 gear but by this point who cares about season 1 gear? its like someone walking around in T4. or back pre BC someone walking around in T1 while youre in aq40 or naxx. T4 and T5 instances are a joke especially after being out this long and at this point in the game are just as much welfare epics as S1 and possibly S2 pieces considering the amount of hours to clear both instances per week (2 days) isnt as much as some of the higher rated teams spend each week to rank up in arenas.

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 8:06 AM. Reason : ]

1/4/2008 7:54:38 AM

We tried Leo last night.


Ouch.

1/4/2008 8:05:44 AM

The real reason I call them welfare epics isnt really because they are necessarily easy to get. Its the fact you have to do nothing to get them. The rated items yes and I actually have respect for people who have those items. The fact is you never have to succeed once to get some of the best items in the game. That is what I consider to be welfare about them. When raiding if you wipe 10 times on a boss there is no magic vendor that appears and says "Well guys that was a good try and for all your time and deaths even though you couldn't kill that boss you can go ahead and have a piece of loot from his table just for trying." The personal rating system was a good start, but they need to add it to more items as well as a few other changes that would be good. I of course pick up all these epics too, but in no way feel as though I deserve them as I just do 10 games a week, takes me like 3 hours, save up my points and pickup ridiculous loot. Hence... welfare .

1/4/2008 9:11:48 AM

didnt someone at blizzcon call them welfare epics
like a bliz employee

1/4/2008 9:36:28 AM

^^ the whole point of these is so that people who have only started playing more recently have the capability of getting near-comparable gear that will allow them to compete in current end game scenarios. Trying to make WoW more new-player friendly.

but, this is obvious.

1/4/2008 10:16:52 AM

I thought S1 gear was only available from the armor quartermaster in the Hall of Legends or whatever for like 18k honor?

1/4/2008 10:25:02 AM

it is

1/4/2008 10:26:43 AM

Quote :

"i agree about S1 gear but by this point who cares about season 1 gear? "

resilience and stam are the ONLY stats that even matter in arena anymore. s1 gear is in most cases <10% different in stats than s3. someone in full s1 has really no disadvantage than someone in s3. yeah, it's nice that you can just hop in to arenas, but where's the free epics for just hopping into ssc? you can solo your way to a full set of s1, you need 9-24 others to get a set of t4. whats the point in even buying s3 gear or rewarding players who are good with arena points if the resilience totals on the items are the same or maybe 2-3% higher when you could be at the res cap in S1? there's ZERO exclusivity left in this game. people who get t6 can't even be the only ones with gear that looks that cool because people had 3 pieces of it the day s3 started. I really hope wotlk implements a vendor that will let you convert your pve gear to equivalent pvp gear at little to no cost (like respec'ing) and seasons 4 and on have a rating requirement for every piece.

1/4/2008 10:55:57 AM

youre totally forgetting that the new season 3 stuff has all that armor penetration on it. the stat upgrades are minimal at best. heck, the resilience barely goes up 1 point.

1/4/2008 11:27:32 AM

^^ youre trying to tell me the difference between S1 and S3 gear is negligible with <10% differences? Are you joking???

The differences are HUGE for warriors and im sure other classes as well (i just know mine). as large as T4 to T6 id wager.

Chest
70% strength increase
37% stamina increase
30% crit rating increase

gloves
32% strength
24% stamina
23% crit rating

shoulders
50% strength
27% stamina
30% crit rating

legs
28% strength
27% stamina
31% crit

helm
30% strength increase
25% crit increase
17% stamina increase
12 hit rating compared to 0 on S1

all of this (an average increase of 33%) with a 20% increase in armor (more survivability than a S1 versus melee) combined with a huge dps increase over S1 with armor penetration.

oh and PS, hopping into SSC *is* free epics, however outdated ones

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 12:03 PM. Reason : ]

1/4/2008 11:55:44 AM

^ this man knows what hes talking about

1/4/2008 12:01:35 PM

We tried Leotheras last night.



Owned him. http://www.epidemic-guild.com/phase13.jpg

1/4/2008 12:04:27 PM

grats

1/4/2008 12:06:37 PM

Quote :

"Season 3 Stats Strength: 94 Agility: 320 Stamina: 384 Intellect: 37 Spirit: 65 Armor: 2826 Health: 7364 754ap 11.03% crit 22.07% dodge Bonuses Equip: Increases attack power by 220. Equip: Your attacks ignore 252 of your opponent's armor. Equip: Improves your resilience rating by 139. (3.53%) Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 109. (4.94%) Equip: Improves hit rating by 36. (2.28%) Equip: Causes your Deadly Throw ability to interrupt spellcasting and prevent any spell in that school from being cast for 3 seconds. "

Quote :

"Season 1 Stats Strength: 94 Agility: 315 Stamina: 325 Intellect: 37 Spirit: 65 Armor: 2209 Health: 6774 685ap 10.86% crit 21.72% dodge Bonuses Equip: Increases attack power by 156. Equip: Improves your resilience rating by 128. (3.25%) Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 79. (3.58%) Equip: Causes your Deadly Throw ability to interrupt spellcasting and prevent any spell in that school from being cast for 3 seconds."

500hp, ~0.2% crit, 600armor, 70AP, 0.25% dodge, 252 armor pen which is equal to roughly 25AP if it's not stacked. that is NOT substantial

1/4/2008 11:01:02 PM

whatd you do pick the one class that is out of the ordinary?

as i pointed out warriors had a 33% increase across the board, hunters had an average of 35% increase in major stats, mages had an average 22% increase in major stats etc. i dont feel like looking up all the class sets you get the idea.

for a comparison, ignoring hit, warrior T4 DPS vs T6 DPS is a 30% increase (less than S1 to S3 arena..and right on par with the average % increase for all arena sets) and if you include the change in hit rating its about a 15% increase in all stats.

all im saying is that i dont know how you can say that most of the arena gear is an insignificant upgrade (<10% which is not even close to true) from S1 to S3 when it is right on par with the scaling % of PVE gear across the 3 tears it was matched to (S1=T4, S2=T5, S3=T6)

edit: for my calculations im not including resilience since the stat hardly ever really changed and would incorrectly skew results. i did however include armor which is generally a 20% increase across the board.

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 11:28 PM. Reason : ]

1/4/2008 11:25:27 PM

Can't run AB's anymore

I'm 70 priest alli on Cho'Gall

300+ resil


Our group rolled 4 premades, 2 from illidan, 1 from destro, and another from stormreaver, and prob 8 pugs.

6K farmed on the night...gonna go get drunk now, fun night!

1/5/2008 12:34:54 AM

omg ZG clear SSC clear

we're on a rollllllllll

1/5/2008 12:36:10 AM

^^ooo whats your name? ive been on SR since day 1. might have seen you in arenas / bgs.

^ grats

[Edited on January 5, 2008 at 12:36 AM. Reason : ]

1/5/2008 12:36:14 AM

Stilgaron...I know a few other guys on here..well only one, soulfire, and he's a douchebag, but oh well

The stormreaver guys put up the best fight, we had a rotating 3 cap going, worked out well.

1/5/2008 12:38:35 AM