drak'thul, i just started yesterday so im like 9th level or something and i may start over if i figure out i wanna be something else


which i probably do

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 8:09 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2008 8:08:02 PM

you could play on a server that has tdub people and have some internet friends to start ya off

1/24/2008 8:53:23 PM

^^ what type of character did you start?

I will go ahead and tell you that a Hunter (or druid) is probably the best starter class you can have for a first character.

1/24/2008 9:11:45 PM

go druid and dont suck and everyone will suck your dick forever. dont go hunter for your first char

1/24/2008 9:35:43 PM

my first character ia a human fighter which is at level 9 right now


then i realized that everybody and their mom is a human warrior so now i kinda wanna try something else

i tried an undead warlock and a human rogue and was kinda meh about both

whats the deal with druids?

1/24/2008 9:39:12 PM

they never die for one thing

1/24/2008 10:48:32 PM

ok well ima go start up an elvish druid for shits and giggles

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 11:18 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2008 10:57:11 PM

go horde, alliance is gay

1/24/2008 11:38:05 PM

horde is homo

druids can do everything...just not as well as other classes

they can tank, melee dps, caster dps, and heal

my friend loves the flexibility, a druid or paladin would probably be a good first class

[Edited on January 25, 2008 at 12:20 AM. Reason : dr00d]

1/25/2008 12:19:47 AM

resto druids can survive for a long time. cant kill anything, but oh well.

you'll want to level as feral though. i wouldnt even consider balance til 40, and even then you might want to wait til 58 cause the gear is scarce for balance. feral also has the least amount of down time, and if you want to do an instance, you can always stand in as the tank.

i've got a 70 druid that is my main, so if you have any questions, let me know. assuming thats what you make that is.

1/25/2008 12:20:31 AM

Went kitty on my main (a dr00d) all the way until 70 because, as you said, the downtime is 0 and everyone wants tanks. I had to go resto when I joined a raiding guild and I love it. Now is the time to play a druid because they really got the shaft from blizzard for sooooooo long. Boomkin can be kinda fun but with the new +healing/+dmg changes you can solo decently just with nice healing gear.

1/25/2008 12:37:59 AM

go shaman. everyone you're with will love you. everyone you're against will hate you. its a great feeling.

1/25/2008 12:43:40 AM

i have no idea what all that mumbo jumbo means but im digging this elvish druid

i was trying to do some quest that involved me killing a bunch of jungle cats. this one dude comes running in and annhilates all of them in the whole forest then runs up and starts laughing at me

haha jerk

[Edited on January 25, 2008 at 2:44 AM. Reason : and i dig the elvish druid]

1/25/2008 2:43:12 AM

hit 70 and find yourself a hunter. it'll make people want to kill themselves.

1/25/2008 2:44:54 AM

undead shadow priest

1/25/2008 3:00:11 AM

Alee and my guild downed tidewalker last night.
w00t

1/25/2008 7:41:36 AM

grats

1/25/2008 8:01:16 AM

we are working on lady vashj, and its frustrating as shit.

Have only gotten to phase 2 with 2 generators down.

We are 5/6 SSC, and 3/4 TK.

1/25/2008 8:24:57 AM

Quote :

"Alee and my guild downed tidewalker last night. w00t"

I had to save my Reincarnation to use when we wiped on murlocs right after he died.

1/25/2008 8:30:18 AM

we skipped lady vashj and working on Kael (he's a little more forgiving than vashj)

anyway, our 2nd week working on him and got him to phase 5. Rogues forgot to attack the mind controlled people and the dps sucked on his sheild and one shotted the tank.

We're getting it. I think he'll be down by next week I hope.

1/25/2008 8:39:02 AM

Not sure why we picked vashj to focus on instead of Kael.

I think i can do the SSC death run in my sleep

1/25/2008 8:58:35 AM

Quote :

"druids can do everything...just not as well as other classes they can tank, melee dps, caster dps, and heal"

The reason so many people are rolling druids now is because this statement is almost false. For most fights druid tanks are better than warriors or paladins in my opinion. Druids almost always top our healing charts. We usually have one or two druids in the top 5 on our dps charts. I have seen boomkins destroy a dps chart when given time to actually drink between pulls. If geared and spec'd the right way a druid is as good if not better as a hybrid than most of their counterparts.

1/25/2008 8:59:36 AM

vashj=3-4 weeks i promise

kael=2-3 weeks tops given the nerfs

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vashj=shit load of communication from almost everyone

kael=fast dps (thats really it) 1 person communicating for spells/eggs/phoenix
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vashj=lose 1-3 ppl during phase 2 and you'll be lucky to complete

kael=lose 5 people and still can do it. (lose anyone aoe dps before/during p2 and it becomes a bitch).
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vashj=lots of strider,slowing effects (mind flay/coex/netherweave nets).

kael=cc 2-3 people mc'd
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1/25/2008 9:11:52 AM

Quote :

"The reason so many people are rolling druids now is because this statement is almost false. For most fights druid tanks are better than warriors or paladins in my opinion. Druids almost always top our healing charts. We usually have one or two druids in the top 5 on our dps charts. I have seen boomkins destroy a dps chart when given time to actually drink between pulls. If geared and spec'd the right way a druid is as good if not better as a hybrid than most of their counterparts."

I really hope they nerf druids so we can become a niche class again. I hate FOTM reroll

Druid tanks are better on Tidewalker and Archimonde, not most fights. If a druid tops your healing charts consistently your pallys and shamans suck (granted resto druids are very good at encounters with lots of raid damage, I almost always top Vashj/Naj'entus myself). Moonkins fall way, way behind deep into T5 content and are left in the dust in T6.

A feral druid should never ever out dps a rogue, fury warrior, or hunter. It shouldn't even be close. Same with moonkins compared to mages, warlocks, but maybe shadow priests due to them being threat capped.

1/25/2008 9:23:30 AM

Quote :

"A feral druid should never ever out dps a rogue, fury warrior, or hunter. It shouldn't even be close. Same with moonkins compared to mages, warlocks, but maybe shadow priests due to them being threat capped. "

weve got a feral drood who is one of the few players I have to regularly contend with on topping the DPS...
(I am a survival hunter in a guild working on SSC content, to give a frame of reference on where we are at).

now, it may be that he's just better geared than many of the others in the guild. I have to say, some of our weakest links are DPS'ers. Overall great tanks and decent healers, for our guild.
really though, we've got the top 5 or so of our DPS'ers doing 150% more damage than everyone below them in most encounters.
Myself (hunter) alee (enh shammy), s drood, a rogue, and one of our mages seem to bear the brunt usually.

1/25/2008 9:52:38 AM

Vashj was EASY given the fact that youre in a guild that did any extensive raiding pre BC and had experience with micromanage fights like cthun or naxx bosses. took us i think 2 weeks/a few nights total back when SSC was a new instance.

1/25/2008 9:53:07 AM

Druids tanking tidewalker turn into crush machines. Seen our druid with 22k+ hp get two crushings back to back (with an agi totem in the group)

good geared warrior is best for that fight imo. shield block ftw.

1/25/2008 9:56:30 AM

drood dinged 50 last night.

1/25/2008 9:59:00 AM

Quote :

"I have seen boomkins destroy a dps chart when given time to actually drink between pulls."

who cares about trash dps?

1/25/2008 10:19:14 AM

Quote :

"I am a survival hunter"

ouch .. way to gimp yourself:x

1/25/2008 10:29:03 AM

as a druid


I've been feral till now


I love the 0 down time while grinding, and hella dps.



when do i have to respec to healing (resto)?

1/25/2008 10:30:59 AM

at 70... feral druid is one of the best leveling spec's in the game imo... you kill as fast as a rogue, but can heal yourself between mobs... it's just silly.

[Edited on January 25, 2008 at 10:36 AM. Reason : kill]

1/25/2008 10:36:20 AM

Quote :

"Druids tanking tidewalker turn into crush machines. Seen our druid with 22k+ hp get two crushings back to back (with an agi totem in the group) good geared warrior is best for that fight imo. shield block ftw."

Druid is actually the tank of choice for that encounter and has been for months and months. It doesn't matter if druids get crushed as the high amount of armor is there for a reason. We've never had a problem with it. Warriors get destroyed if they aren't very well geared simply from the high physical damage.

Our rogues and hunters run about 1200~1400 dps on all of the SSC encounters are our ferals pull in around 700~900. Of course on Akama our rogues do 2400 dps (fun fight).

1/25/2008 10:55:49 AM

ill let you guys know when i get all badass and shit

is their a character screen where i can see what kind of dps im averaging?

[Edited on January 25, 2008 at 11:09 AM. Reason : .]

1/25/2008 11:08:09 AM

you'll need a dmg meter addon


http://www.curse.com

1/25/2008 11:12:18 AM

alright, i'm getting off my ass and playing this again after my parts come in

who's going to let me into an uber guild where i don't have to do anything but collect loots?

1/25/2008 11:16:29 AM

Horde or alliance?

my guild stepped into SSC wednesday night and took down lurker on the third try, pretty sweet

night before one shot-High King and 4-shot Gruul on basically our first step in there too, once the melee dps decided to not die during shatters. got him on the 12th growth

[Edited on January 25, 2008 at 1:29 PM. Reason : gr00l]

1/25/2008 1:28:07 PM

I'm going to be transferring at the end of feb to a US horde pve (I know, I know) server. I'll probably try to get in with a friends guild that will be entering sunwell as I still don't have my vials. If anyone has a guild that's currently working on vashj and KT or a guild looking for dps that still does attunement runs, lemme know.

1720AP
280hit
29.3%
DST and WSC so I'm regularly hasted and ignoring a decent chunk of armor.

1/25/2008 4:19:33 PM

Quote :

"f a druid tops your healing charts consistently your pallys and shamans suck (granted resto druids are very good at encounters with lots of raid damage, I almost always top Vashj/Naj'entus myself)."

I like how this comment neglects to mention priests at all.

1/25/2008 4:42:20 PM

If your resto druid isn't in the top three they are poorly geared compared to the rest of your healers, poorly utilized or just suck at their job. No one is going to convince me that spots are the place for a resto druid. Their HoTs just get washed over by some asshat direct healer. Give us 3 or 4 things to heal and we'll be in heaven and keeping them alive.

1/25/2008 4:58:25 PM

to everyone that asks when they'll have to respec resto as a druid...this is post-BC; pre-BC, the resto respec was an inevitability. post BC, feral is arguably just as important (a lot of fights are dps races where that 2nd prot warrior or pally is a waste of a raid spot) as resto, and even boomkin if well geared can be competitive. someone said that boomkin get left behind in t5 and t6 content, but i thought it was the other way around? i was thinkin the t5 and t6 were the only really good sets for moonkin, so once you get there, you're good to go. unfortunately, all that time between, you're left with very little options other than some decent badge gear and the occasional heroic loot.

1/25/2008 5:05:33 PM

The reason druids top the charts is because we have really well geared tanks and between druid hots and such we dont have to direct heal as much, of course our healing charts neglect shaman chain heals which is pretty much all I use, as well as prayer of mending and that sorta stuff. What happens is druids throw around hots and by the time someone gets around to direct healing then they are close to full and boom every other healer just gets a bunch of overheal lol.

1/25/2008 5:08:03 PM

druids should never top the charts on bosses, maybe on trash

get some paladins and shamans, druids are meant for 1 spot, 1 feral druid

priests are meant for being shadow, 1 gimp holy priest with DS is allowed though

then fill the raid with 5 shamans and minimum 3 paladins, 2 enhance shamans, 2 resto, 1 elemental

oh and bring at least 6 warlocks and only 1 mage

the highest dps raid makeup ever would be:

G1:
Prot Warrior
Prot Paladin
Feral Druid
Enhance Shaman
Ret paladin

G2:
Elemental Shaman
Spriest
Destrolock
Destrolock
BM Hunter

G3:
Resto Shaman
Spriest
Destrolock
Destrolock
BM Hunter

G4:
Resto Shaman
Spriest
Mage
Destrolock
CoH Priest/Resto druid

G5:
Resto Shaman
DS Priest
Holy Paladin
Holy Paladin
Holy Paladin

With 5 Destro warlocks though, I doubt any tank would be able to ever hold aggro, we have 2 warlocks in our guild right now in the best gear available in the game pulling 2k DPS on most boss fights. 5 Destro locks in a Sunwell ready guild like ours would guarantee ISB is active 100% of the time on the bosses. The 2 BM hunter Might be able, with misdirects, to hold off the aggro pulling onslaught the warlocks will eventually reached. The question is, with the huge increase in DPS, will the boss die before the aggro gain threshold is acquired?

Here are some WWS logs of our warlocks:
These are from pretty stationary fights where the warlocks don't move around much
Council: http://wowwebstats.com/gdm6m5omgldvm?a=22&s=8157-8565 - 1700 DPS
Winterchill: http://wowwebstats.com/xqmfbjkfggyly?a=21&s=23-192#summary - 2100 DPS
Anetheron: http://wowwebstats.com/xqmfbjkfggyly?a=21&s=1275-1464#summary - 1900 DPS
Kaz'rogal: http://wowwebstats.com/xqmfbjkfggyly?a=21&s=2911-3093#summary - 2000 DPS
Naj'entus: http://wowwebstats.com/xqmfbjkfggyly?a=21&s=9931-10208#summary - 2200 DPS
Akama: http://wowwebstats.com/xqmfbjkfggyly?a=21&s=9931-10208#summary - 2100 DPS

given 3 additional warlocks to increase the chance ISB will be active would easily push all the warlocks up to the 2500 DPS bracket. Nearly 11k Sbolt crits raid buffed? gg blizz

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mannoroth&n=inahk - Although he's demo for PVP, we only raid 2 nights/week since everything is on farm
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mannoroth&n=loomies
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mannoroth&n=nethergrave - App Warlock

Blizzard truely has a hardon for warlocks, best pvp class and best dps pve class

rogues don't even post

[Edited on January 25, 2008 at 6:05 PM. Reason : destro not demo]

1/25/2008 5:40:06 PM

Ok I suppose I should mention that my "topping the healing charts" was for say a whole kara run not single boss fights. Typically a shaman or pally will win that battle.

1/25/2008 5:49:57 PM

^^ i really really hate warlocks, id reroll one but i know the moment i do they'd get hit with a nerf bat.

so i'm stuck being a mage, making the locks water, putting up imp scorch for more immolate damage, and bandaging them.



qq

1/26/2008 12:10:32 AM

ive seen qq like 30 times today, whats that mean?

does anyone wanna help me finish this stupid relics of the wakening quest?

1/26/2008 2:01:38 AM

QQ = eyes w/ tears.

1/26/2008 2:19:44 AM

^^ make http://www.thottbot.com your best friend... type in the quest name and at the bottom are people's comments on how to finish the quest. also, find some coordinate addons from http://www.curse.com

Quote :

"The question is, with the huge increase in DPS, will the boss die before the aggro gain threshold is acquired?"

ok.. i'm a tank and I see the Aggro Gain on Omen, but never really paid attention to it. Explain it please? thx

1/26/2008 2:33:33 AM

ranged needs to be 130% of tank aggro to pull it, melee 110% if thats what you mean?

1/26/2008 2:45:55 AM

cool, i found a good wlakthroug here: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?wquest=483

ima check that out too

1/26/2008 3:03:19 AM