^^^ you SON OF A BITCH

7/27/2008 4:06:35 PM

well to be fair its a friends account who cant get it to install.

7/27/2008 7:38:05 PM

lol

7/27/2008 8:02:02 PM

I don't know how anyone is already at the level cap. My warrior is only 71.5 and I've probably been disconnected 100 times and seen 200 minute-plus lag spikes. I get so frustrated after an hour or so that I have to quit playing him. Plus warriors are missing skills, intercept and bloodbath are just not there. Titan's grip is amazing though. Main handing S3 mace with cat's edge offhand. Not quite as OP as I was thinking it was going to be but I've solo'd 73 elites at 70 with it. Once you crit and get flurry up your damage goes through the roof. I'm using 207 hit rating right now and wish I had more, nothing sucks more than missing when you have a 4.56/4.2 second swing timers.

My DK is almost 63 though; leveling in outlands is super fast now. I'm only about 3/4's done with hellfire and I got there when I had just leveled to 58. DK is a lot of fun, the spell animations are the best in the game. Death and decay is so OP, it's just as fast for me to kill a group of 10 mobs as it is to kill a single one and with all the regen from the blood tree and leeches I never have to regen. I ran ramps and BF the other day with a 5 blood aura DK group, pull an entire room and lay down 5 DnD's and everything dies.

7/27/2008 8:49:45 PM

and thats why we have beta, so they can go ahead and fix all the OP shit (besides warlocks and hunters of course they will always find a way to make them OP)

7/27/2008 9:24:43 PM

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that if mobs (or players) stand in death and decay they have a chance to cower in fear for 2 seconds. They don't run, just stand there sorta stunned, so when you have 5 of them down most of the time the mobs aren't attacking anyways.

I don't know if they'll get nerfed because every class seems overpowered except mages and rogues right now. It might just be the way they are scaling up. I know some classes are bugged right now (like paladins obliterating everything and anything with their bugged judgments regardless of spec).

7/27/2008 10:30:35 PM

Quote :

"This mean we aren't going to 3v3?"

Nah I'm not about to changer servers, just got pissed whilest farming my damn welfare epics.

7/28/2008 12:22:36 AM

DKs own. Blood is a 0 downtime spec while grinding. Its pretty crazy. Shit that was tough on my shaman in outlands I'm killing 5 at a time. I've only pvped against other DKs though, so I can't judge how op that is.

[Edited on July 28, 2008 at 9:55 AM. Reason : G]

7/28/2008 9:54:26 AM

who wants to let me play their beta akount?

7/28/2008 12:03:48 PM

wonder if the wotlk talent trees will be out before the xpac like it was woth BC.

If so arena is going to be borked for a spell.

7/28/2008 1:20:08 PM

^ msg me in game... i forgot your pallies name.. i wanna arena

7/28/2008 2:07:13 PM

Quote :

"every class seems overpowered except mages and rogues right now"

oh what a fucking surprise

7/28/2008 3:04:26 PM

meh, all i care about is endgame anyways

7/28/2008 3:15:03 PM

^^^ It's Smashingguts, but Ill sent you a tell

7/28/2008 5:11:58 PM

lawl

like 5-6 illidan kills and full warglaives on our dps warrior.

7/29/2008 12:32:11 AM

We got some solid work in on phase two last night. The tanks still have some learning to do on the fire elementals. I do not envy their task. And whomever designed the loot tables for BT need to be slapped around. I picked up t6 shoulders from Mother and then the healing leather shoulders dropped from Council. . .

7/29/2008 10:07:58 AM

anyone on alliance pvp server need a 1500 resto druid?


my guild's raid group is tough to break into. they're entirely too close knit.

7/29/2008 10:15:35 AM

So my guild is a bit away from you guys.....

We're on Shade and granted we only put in 2 quality attempts on him, I think we're going about it totally wrong.

We had 6 DPS on the channelers and only 3 dps on each side and the side overwhelmed us when we got on shade.... should we be putting most of the dps on the sides and then killing the channeler as we can?

7/29/2008 1:26:18 PM

you're stuck in karazhan?





that's trouble, man.

7/29/2008 1:27:43 PM

We do 3 DPS on each side, that's really more then enough. Kill the caster, then the healer, then the rogue. Even in T5 we killed the sides 10 seconds early. Yell at your side DPS if they can't do what they should've learned in Mechanaar.

7/29/2008 1:29:08 PM

yeah BT loot tables are gay.
our main healing druid has his 4 set in resto moonkin and 3 peice feral.

me? yeah i JUST got 2 set t6 like 2 weeks ago and i've been exalted with BT and Hyjal forever.

7/29/2008 2:43:57 PM

So a buddy of mine whispers me

"hey man, want to come to gruul's?"


we go, and the fucking guild we pug with wipes 10-12 times on high lord. never downed him.


Wasted 2.5 hours of my time.


and the MT had 22k health (buffed)

[Edited on July 30, 2008 at 11:04 AM. Reason : the RL had a deep southern accent, and was hilariously fuming on vent]

7/30/2008 11:03:19 AM

yikes!

7/30/2008 11:23:52 AM

ehh, I don't know if I want to come back or not.

7/30/2008 5:52:54 PM

of course you do, you can get a mount at 30 now!

7/30/2008 6:29:24 PM

Anyone interested in a 4/5 season 4, 1/5 (shoulders) season 3, rest guardian's/vengeful pvp gear, 37k honor restoration druid on a pve server with transfer up.

- Has epic flyer/form
- Name change and transfer up.
- I am quitting so I will not be taking it back.

7/30/2008 8:08:38 PM

whycan't it be pvp what race.

7/30/2008 8:53:01 PM

Quote :

"I am quitting so I will not be taking it back."

if i had 1$ everytime i heard that...

7/30/2008 10:44:32 PM

So, we 2-shotted (third overall try) Shade of Akama last night. That fight is sooooo easy. Wow, I'm embarassed now for asking you guys for help.

Then we went to Bloodboil.... wow. Lowest we got him was 42%. We tried it enough to where we understand the fight and have it down pat, but something always goes wrong. We have 3 teams designated for the damage ticks (forgot its name) and we have 3 tanks (i'm one). Here's what I think we're having problems with:

1) the enrage person dies.... we had it be the same pally twice and she died both times almost instantly... not sure what's happening there. A hunter died twice as well. Rogues and druids seem like they take it the best.

2) I'm one of two warrior tanks on that bitch (and another prot pally). Here's my dilema and I'm not sure who else is a tank (i think Azaka).... The pally was pulling and I'm supposed to stay to the quarter-side so i dont get cleaved and have that ticking dmg debuff on me, but one problem... i become rage-starved and get no threat. So i moved right on top of the pally tank that pulled. Then I pass him in threat and he doesn't catch me so i take tons of those ticks and die. Do we just have to throttle threat and pass Gurtogg back and forth?

7/31/2008 10:29:49 AM

I dont know the mechanics as a tank (im dps), but the fel rage target cannot die.

This fight is a pretty heavy healer check, since they will need to heal the fel rage target like crazy, but also take care of the last group that gets bloodboil, since they will have a few ticks left when fel rage starts up.

If i am not mistaken, if the pally is holy, she should be healing the hell out of herself when she has fel rage.

7/31/2008 10:51:08 AM

From what I've read its a threat management fight, the tanks have to know how to control the amount of threat that they put out.

Read this, it has a pally starting out with a warrior/feral off tank. How much spell damage does your tank have?

http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/viewtopic.php?t=2593

[Edited on July 31, 2008 at 1:48 PM. Reason : failpost]

7/31/2008 1:48:11 PM

1) First, right before the fel enrage everyone needs to be topped off. Your max health goes up by about 30k so most people have ~40k hp when the enrage happens. But it's not like last stand where you actually gain the difference, if someone is at 50% and they get the fel enrage they don't go to 35k health, they go to 20k health so it's now a 20k deficit you are trying to make up instead of the easy 5k before the enrage happened. Second, whoever gets picked needs to do whatever they can to keep themselves alive, rogues evasion, dps warriors switch to d-stance and throw on a shield, hunters aspect of the monkey etc, anything that will increase avoidance or reduce incoming damage. The fel enrage gives the person a 100% bonus to healing (and 50% reduction in spell costs) so if the person picked is a healer they should be spamming their biggest heal on them self. Third, all of the healers should be on the fel enrage target minus one raid healer that is still healing the last blood boil group (or including them if they can handle it, which they should be able to) and one mt healer keeping the last main tank alive from the acidic wound DOT (which should be easy to do and heal the fel enrage target, depending on the amount of stacks).

2) You should be getting cleaved and eating the fel acid breath. The whole point to having 3 tanks on him is that all 3 should be on top of omen and that's not going to happen with a warrior unless you are taking damage. He has a knock back that reduces threat by about 40k and a disorient that last for 5 seconds. If tank 1 eats a knock back and he switches to tank 2 and then he disorients tank 2 you want him to not move and switch to tank 3. If he runs off to a dps he will surely kill them and depending on his use of arcing smash and fel acid breath there will be many deaths in the wake. At higher gear and skill levels it's possible to do with only two tanks but both tanks need a lot of threat and a decent amount of gear to avoid taking knock backs and disorients (making the transitions happen when you want them to is the key to a 2 tank setup). The current main tank needs to be smart about generating threat and not over do it. All 3 tanks should be very close in threat. If you get 60k ahead of the next person and never stop even a knock back isn't going to switch tanks. Once you get to 6 or 7 stacks if the second tank isn't close to you you need to stop gaining threat, just stand there and shield block. You really don't want to take more than 10 or 11 (depending on your healers). Sometimes you get unlucky and right as someone pulls off of you he hits them with the knock back and then he's back on you with a 30k threat deficit on the second person and you're debuffs are starting to climb. At those times all you can do is hope your healers can keep you alive until the next tank gets it off you.

Once you are main tanking him and then get between 10-13 debuffs and someone pulls him off of you you want to move to his side to avoid taking an arcing smash and refreshing your debuff. Depending on how you lost aggro you either need to start doing damage and gaining threat (if you took a knockback) or holding off and waiting for the new tank to get a decent lead (if you didn't take a knockback and he just pulled off you). Rage shouldn't be a problem since the debuff will be ticking for ~2500 or so. As soon as it's off you need to get back in front of him and start gaining threat. Do NOT stand behind him with the other melee, if you are second on threat and he disorients or knocks back the current tank you could become the MT again and if you are standing with the melee it's possible that when he turns around he will arcing smash which will pretty much kill all of them.

There should be multiple tank transitions over the course of the fight. It is possible to single tank him but requires a lot of gear, a decent bit of luck and good healers (I've only been able to do this once and it wasn't easy, at one point I was taking 7k ticks from acidic wound before it dropped off)

If you are having a good attempt and the fel enrage person dies if a warrior is the current tank he can shield wall and live through the rest of the enrage. The other tanks have to gtfo though because his arcing smash will be hitting for about 15k.

Also if the second tank has a lot of ground to cover in threat (but is still second on omen) you can BoP the current main tank giving the second tank time to catch up or if you are lucky enough maybe drop off your current debuff. Only works if there is a tank second in threat for obvious reasons.

I think that's everything. If you have any other questions I'd be happy to help if I can.

7/31/2008 1:56:54 PM

Paladin tank can also bubble to remove stacks of the debuff, but BoP and stone form won't remove it.

7/31/2008 2:10:38 PM

the biggest thing is to make sure you first tank doesn't try to flex his epeen and get an unsurmountable threat lead.

7/31/2008 5:01:28 PM

We have had a druid tank the last 50% alone after the other two tanks got gibbed, the less cloth wearers you bring to the fight the better. Bring 2 CoH and 2 resto shamans and that makes raid healing pretty easy and the other 3 need to be quick to start spamming fel rage target. Going for like our 10th illidan kill tonight still waiting on a glaive to drop.

7/31/2008 5:58:48 PM

dinged 70 on the rogue i started on my friends acct.
had 4/5 s2 armor, 2 s2 weaps, s4 neck/belt waiting for me

7/31/2008 6:42:51 PM

Finally got a glaive to drop, the OH, lots of DKP finally removed from the system lol

7/31/2008 9:10:14 PM

grats lol

7/31/2008 9:41:33 PM

^^^ You farm all that in 69?

8/1/2008 9:07:46 AM

damn, i guess thats possible

8/1/2008 12:51:02 PM

I'm still bitter about rogues in the exp. I love reading notes on all the classes, getting down to rogue and seeing "fixed tooltip."

8/1/2008 6:06:18 PM

One promising addition: Built in threat meter! Maybe it'll actually be accurate

8/2/2008 9:16:13 AM

yea its def possible...i basically just pvp'd my ass off at like 49,59,69, etc

8/2/2008 10:02:55 AM

well same, but fuck, hitting 70 and run AV preforms will get you honor faster than anything.

8/2/2008 3:59:57 PM

yeah
but its more fun to just rape lowbies faces NOT being a twink, just being the highest level lol

8/2/2008 6:05:02 PM

I heard you can rent your account to asian farmers for 10$ a day?

8/2/2008 10:26:56 PM

Just started my first new character in a long time. The revised loot tables for the Azeroth instances are a breath of fresh air. Also I'm glad they removed the elite mobs from outside the instances.

8/3/2008 2:22:56 AM

^ you can get a mount at 30 now!

8/4/2008 8:50:55 AM

The pussyfication of the game continues

8/4/2008 10:20:23 AM

How does lvl 30 mounts pussify the game?

8/4/2008 2:01:49 PM