I probably have the d2 key somewhere. I never had a legit copy of LOD though.

10/13/2008 11:41:46 PM

wow, this thread is crazy long

10/14/2008 6:50:30 AM

no way?

10/14/2008 7:16:16 AM

w00t!

Quote :

"- Shapeshifting will no longer cancel Water Walking. - Druids and Shaman can now use items while shapeshifted. "

I'm pumped for Glyphs!

10/14/2008 12:06:30 PM

omg 1.2 gb patch

10/14/2008 12:24:13 PM

omg you ppl still play this game.

10/14/2008 1:04:54 PM

blizzard updater has been at 98% for 20 minutes.

10/14/2008 2:23:44 PM

fury warrior dps is insane.

10/15/2008 1:55:39 AM

^ how so? I've always been prot and never looked into it, but might....

I logged in and got Ambassador Brontu .... I guess its because I am exalted with all the 5 main cities.

10/15/2008 7:54:13 AM

i havent even DL the patch, probably will next time i log in like next week or so. But looking at the new specs (even not really playing for the past year or so I still read updates some haha ), at 80, full arms and then the rest fury looks pretty solid to me in PVP.

I really think they made some good moves at the last minute when putting TM in the arms tree and only requiring 3/3 for +2h dmg instead of 5/5. really frees someone up to get everything theyd really want in the arms tree instead of having to throw 3 into prot for TM and missing out on some dmg if you dont want to spend 5pts on 5% 2h dmg.

of course this is all on paper, and Ive always been an arms lover (was even arms for raid dps pre bc heh) but it doesnt look too bad. On another note, my 2 3v3 partners just came back to the game :x makes it tempting

10/15/2008 8:29:12 AM

I got all excited when i saw the new login screen.



very nice.

10/15/2008 9:15:36 AM

so what, they are having the new talents come out tomorrow or something?

almost enough for me to pay a month to mess with my ret pally and lock

almost

10/15/2008 9:33:56 AM

dont quote me since I havent logged in but if the patch dropped yesterday I was assuming new talent trees were out yesterday.

10/15/2008 9:35:13 AM

too many of the people I played with are in WAR now, so the little time I do have to play is on that.

Seriously wanted to try out the new Ret though

10/15/2008 9:40:41 AM

supposedly ret is nuts now. i also got my jenkins title last night

10/15/2008 10:54:41 AM

^^^^ They changed a ton of stuff: http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=818

[Edited on October 15, 2008 at 10:58 AM. Reason : warlocks have demon form...]

10/15/2008 10:57:42 AM

I got my Ambassador title when I logged in... been working on random achievements...

I had ALL quests in outlands done, but 1 in terrokar so i spent half an hour looking for it... it was the damn escort out of the tomb. so i got the achievement for having done all quests in outlands after completing that thing.

The 65 yard fall without dieing was fun... died a lot.

Going to dive into all the PvP ones tonight.

10/15/2008 11:14:54 AM

hah, so they are copying the tome unlocks in warhammer, nice.

10/15/2008 11:16:54 AM

^^ damn dude. I don't plan on messing with many of the Achievements since you don't get jack shit for them. What I AM planning on doing is healing the shit out of some raids with my new Shaman talents.

10/15/2008 11:32:31 AM

Yeah... Raid bosses have 30% less health so my guild wants to down illidan

10/15/2008 12:18:38 PM

Warhammer Online is so much better than this game.

Switch now.

10/15/2008 12:20:50 PM

that game was such crap... played for 2 weeks and HATED it

10/15/2008 12:26:30 PM

All the complaints levied towards World of Warcraft were fixed in Warhammer Online.

10/15/2008 12:29:59 PM

no1curr, this is the WoW thread..

10/15/2008 12:40:35 PM

funny....the day after I download 3.0.2, my subscription has expired and my account is frozen until I pay.

I'm in Hawai'i...what do you think I should do?

10/15/2008 6:32:19 PM

go surfing?

10/15/2008 7:14:17 PM

yes...eventually

10/15/2008 7:20:55 PM

someone buy my hunter please ! and send me a pm about the LOD shit i'll take care of it when i go home.

10/15/2008 8:22:27 PM

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10/15/2008 10:59:08 PM

just realized the achievements section have

Feats of Strength

It's a Festivus Miracle!

10/16/2008 12:31:05 AM

two shot brutallus.

wow this game is easy now.

10/16/2008 12:50:18 AM

THIS IS PROOF NONE OF YOU GET LAID.

10/16/2008 1:13:59 AM

So... haven't updated my own game yet... but...

They added achievements?
Goddamnit, this is NOT Xbox Live. If I wanted arbitrary and meaningless achievements I'd spend my money on a 360.


Sound like a stupid way for people with marginal skill to brag about their colossal e-cocks. Will greatly increase the number of annoying fucktards that intelligent players will have to deal with on a daily basis.

10/16/2008 1:23:47 AM

oh man, saving all those old herbs on my shaman was money. I went from 32g and not mount to an epic mount with about 800g to spare in a day. I don't even have 350 yet, just 287. gg rare discovery

10/16/2008 2:03:24 AM

Quote :

"gg rare discovery"

for real.
the penguin polymorph is like free epic fliers for your alts for anyone who gets it.

10/16/2008 2:23:43 AM

so I installed the patch last night because a friend of mine wanted to duel me on her ret pally and kept bugging me. so i did and lolz they are pretty OP vs a warrior 1v1 atm. Of course this is at 70 and also I dont care much about 1v1 so I dont know how their damage is when sustained over say a full arena fight since I didnt do anything but a few duels before gettin off.

10/16/2008 12:02:54 PM

don't worry, they will be nerfed to hell soon. Always happens when they get any boost at all.

10/16/2008 12:10:06 PM

I mean 1v1 doesnt bother me since it seemed like she might not have been able to keep that dps up. If it was this kind of dmg nonstop in a group then its def OP. I have no room to say how they are at this point in time as Im out of the loop.

However in general, there is a fine line the devs have to walk with ret pallies. If you are going to have a plate class that can heal, bubble, and give themselves freedom (yes I know dispellable but you know what Im saying), then their damage in a dps spec really shouldn't ever really be comparable to a warriors.

I understand blizz wants to keep everyone happy, but if they want plate and a 2H and want dps, at some point blizz just has to say, "well if you are wanting more dps and want to see bigger numbers just roll a warrior." By picking a paladin you are already knowingly picking up some things a warriors doesnt have, so it is not logical to give you comparable dps.

[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 12:19 PM. Reason : ]

10/16/2008 12:18:05 PM

Our prot pally was topping meters on trash last night.

Even is Diablo 2 (hammerdins) blizzard always favors paladins.

10/16/2008 12:20:47 PM

so Deathnights...

[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 12:26 PM. Reason : ^^]

10/16/2008 12:26:27 PM

new thunderclap and shockwave coupled with 2.4k shield slam crits and 2k revenge crits is nuts. 4 min shield wall CD is nice too

10/16/2008 12:30:05 PM

^^ yea like I said I havent kept up with the game. I am skeptical of how balanced they will be but I know nothing about them really.

^ nice

10/16/2008 12:33:48 PM

Go play Warhammer.

You can level from 1 to 40 entirely PVPing.

10/16/2008 12:46:07 PM

I'm tired of reading about Warhammer, keep that shit in the Warhammer thread.

10/16/2008 1:19:29 PM

I hear WoW has achievements and is implementing castle sieges with siege weapons. Where have I already seen that. Hmm.....

10/16/2008 2:00:47 PM

dude, no one is going to validate your decision to stop playing wow just before new content to play a new game with questionable user base.

also, as if ret paladins had any delusion that they were going to be the new roflstomp arena trump card

Quote :

"Retribution Paladin Changes Quote from: Ghostcrawler (Source) As I stated yesterday, we are happy with Ret's PvE damage and sustatined damage in PvP, but were concerned that the burst damage in PvP could be too high. We discussed this for literally hours yesterday, which was certainly not the first time we have discussed the issue. Thus I hope these changes are not perceived as a knee-jerk reaction, but I am sure that will depend a great deal on which class you play. Divine Storm -- the damage was changed from Holy to Physical. As you know, Holy damage is almost never mitigated and this talent could pack a lot into a very short time. This is a nerf to the ability's damage. This change is now active on Live. Repentance -- this ability now lasts for only 6 seconds in PvP (down from 10). Obviously this is also a nerf. This change is also active on Live. Art of War -- now affects all damage done by Judgements, Crusader Strike and Divine Storm (instead of critical strike damage). Net dps should be about the same but less bursty. This change will be made before Nov 13. Righteous Vengeance -- now applies a dot affect similar to Deep Wounds (instead of critical strike damage). This ends up being a significant buff to the ability to make up for the damage lost to Divine Storm, but is also less bursty. This change will be made before Nov 13. EDIT: The dot will NOT break Repentance. Glyph of Crusader Strike -- now reduces mana cost (instead of increased damage on stunned targets.) We thought paladins could stack too much damage vs. stunned targets. This change will be made before Nov 13. We also fixed a bug with Seal and Judgement of Light that could sometimes result in too much healing. In our tests, Retribution dps remains the same over longer periods of time, but they can't do quite so much damage in the initial few seconds of a PvP encounter. I know Ret pallies feel a little picked on since we've made this mistake before of having them come out the gate too strong and then had to correct them. For that I do apologize. It's a difficult spec to balance since part of its design is to have large crits and stuns, which have obvious PvP implications. We are pretty confident this will not nerf pallies into the ground as I facetiously promised yesterday, but if we overdid it, we'll be happy to back off some of the changes. On the other hand, maybe we'll see fewer BGs with 20 paladins on the opposing side and can get some reasonable feedback on all the other classes in the game. EDIT: To clairfy the new dot will not break Repentance. Small change to Master Demonologist Quote from: Ghostcrawler (Source) The Felguard magic damage reduction now extends to Holy. I believe this was hotfixed yesterday. Typically we don't change Holy resistance (which this is not), but it's consistent with other damage reduction abilities (which this is) to reduce all magic damage. This should help warlocks stand up to paladins in particular in PvP. "

the last part is classic, just to let everyone know how much blizz loves locks

10/16/2008 2:10:39 PM

Also, don't think I'm a ret fanboy or anything, I have a full s3/4 warlock collecting dust as well. Just messign with you guys no need to get defensive.

10/16/2008 3:17:48 PM

So, just got into the patch and played some today. The new Afflic tree is... interesting.

From what I can tell it's not (quite) the best for raw dps or overall damage done in raids, BUT on boss mobs it is virtually impossible to run out of mana (and health, on encounters without much damage to the DPS classes) if you've got any sort of half-decent spell rotation going. Was consistently around 3rd in overall damage dealt during boss fights, the only ones higher being a better-geared boomkin and a better-geared lock, and I was pretty much above 75% mana the entire fight. It's definitely going to be the best talent spec for leveling from 70 to 80, since it's got a decent mix of sustained activity, survivability, and damage... once Wrath comes out I will be surprised if I ever have to stop and drink while grinding mobs and questing.

Destro... I have yet to try it since the patch but probably will do so soon. Have seen a sac/destro fire build involving the Imp and a fire destro build that involves keeping the imp out for dps and a talent proc. Remains to be seen which is better, but at this point both I and the lock trying non-sac destro (same guy who got 2nd, mentioned above) are leaning towards the build for keeping the imp out. But maybe the guy running sac/destro fire was just bad at playing, who knows...

Demonology... I've frankly got no idea. I don't really play arenas... they barely interest me at all. But Demonology seems like it'll become the new standard in arena survivability... personally I just don't like the idea of a lock who is stacking Armor and similar stats, but it's probably just my instinct as someone who almost purely raids... I mean, Metamorphosis looks like a good skill if you're into that kind of thing, but I don't plan to ever be using it.

[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 1:58 AM. Reason : .]

10/17/2008 1:57:08 AM

damn nerfs to pallies already. i have a level 60 prot pally i've been playing. i really like the changes they made with the patch. hopefully they don't nerf me too lol.

10/17/2008 2:52:14 AM

Quote :

"I mean, Metamorphosis looks like a good skill if you're into that kind of thing, but I don't plan to ever be using it."

I specced Demo JUST to check out Metamorphosis. It's pretty sweet, looks cooler than anything really. I'm not a big fan of Demo spec and never have been because I don't PVP extensively. I'll be switching to Affliction sometime before the expansion, glad to hear it will continue to be a solid leveling spec.

I like the changes made to spellpower, my shaman wrecks house now as resto.

10/17/2008 11:54:01 AM