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11/23/2011 11:39:14 AM

i've managed to follow college and professional football the last 5 years without being indoctrinated by tim tebow. on the other hand, i did switch to Hanes last year. maybe tebow needs to talk to michael jordan about how to really promote your interests

11/23/2011 11:43:08 AM

I don't ever recall Jordan promoting Haynes during a game or an interview. And your choice in underwear isn't quite as polarizing as religion, is it? And you have been indoctrinated enough to be passionate about defending him.

11/23/2011 11:48:42 AM

Have you seen the boxers vs. briefs threads on TWW over the last decade?

c'mon now.

11/23/2011 12:14:00 PM

He is overrated and over hyped. Now that they have dropped Orton, they may have put all their eggs into one basket. He would be an awesome tight end.

11/24/2011 12:32:55 PM

11/26/2011 11:46:48 AM

LOL. Rodgers playing great, but not that great.

only like the greatest statistical season by a qb, ever. also, they haven't lost a game.

11/26/2011 12:00:04 PM

im not current on my espn analysts but i channel surfed to some black guy ripping skip a new one telling him to just turn in his football card because he has lost complete credibility now

11/26/2011 12:12:37 PM

It's happening again.

11/27/2011 7:06:53 PM

not yet...

11/27/2011 7:08:08 PM

I'll take tebow in the 4th if I can have Rodgers the first 3.

11/27/2011 7:08:22 PM

john fox continues to be a dumbass

11/27/2011 7:42:19 PM

cmoooon denver

11/27/2011 7:43:07 PM

ok, now he's done it again

11/27/2011 7:50:07 PM

w00t

11/27/2011 7:50:25 PM

tebow mania haha. never seen anything like this. guy cant play a lot worse or win a lot more

11/27/2011 7:52:31 PM

Finished with a better QB rating than Rivers

11/28/2011 2:44:41 AM

havent watched a denver game yet but why don't people just stack 8 in the box and force him to throw against you?

11/28/2011 1:12:34 PM

Maybe they're afraid of being laughed at as the team that Tebow threw for 300 yards on?

11/28/2011 1:13:32 PM

hahahaha, perhaps

11/28/2011 1:14:31 PM

defenses are stacking the box.

The offense isn't exactly putting up impressive numbers, but they seem to manage to get a first down or two before they stall out and punt most possessions. They are terrible at picking up 3rd and longs though.

They aren't turning the ball over at all and they have a really good defense so by winning the field posiiton battle all game they are squeezing out wins by thin margins with an occasional forward pass and a few steady drives.

Now if you put Tebow on the Panthers they'd almost definitely go 0-16 (not kidding) because the defense wouldn't hold the field position and they'd be giving up 40 points a game by giving every offense so many possessions.

11/29/2011 2:23:17 AM

I dislike Tebow as much as the next guy but Elway comes off as a huge bitch.

11/29/2011 2:41:19 AM

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"I dislike Tebow as much as the next guy but Elway comes off as a huge bitchvp of football ops who knows that a team that runs the option won't win a Superb Owl"

11/29/2011 2:55:56 AM

No he pretty much comes off as a bitch.

11/29/2011 3:10:01 AM

NEWSFLASH: John Elway has always been a huge bitch!

Remember, he pulled an Eli Manning in the draft way before Eli did it.

11/29/2011 6:29:04 AM

11/29/2011 7:24:15 AM

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"again, i'm really not trying to debate a specific religion or personal belief, but many women would say that his appearnace in that commercial was bigoted."

i doubt it. there's nothing particularly bigoted about saying "choose life, k?" you are playing guilt by association, and it's comical.

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"It's about how he uses his status as an athlete to publically promote them at every opputunity he gets. "

except he doesn't. he doesn't do anything that other's don't do. you have yet to show how he does anything different than others. you are just hating the guy because he has different beliefs than you do.

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"And your choice in underwear isn't quite as polarizing as religion, is it?"

oh, so as long as he picks the right thing, it's OK to promote the hell out of it.

11/29/2011 9:11:26 AM

Elway's situation was a little different. He could have went and played baseball for the Yankees and said if he couldn't play for the team he wanted he would do that. Not the exact same as just being a huge douche and not wanting to play for a particular team.

11/29/2011 9:14:01 AM

ahh, what's the point?

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 9:22 AM. Reason : V sorry, i was responding to the post above yours]

11/29/2011 9:14:55 AM

He could have played baseball? He had some leverage? What was Eli going to do?

11/29/2011 9:19:35 AM

Skip bayless sounds dumb for saying that but Rodgers really is a pretty terrible clutch QB. He's been so good for the first 3 quarters he doesn't need to come back but when he does he can't do it.

He's never won in overtime and last year (and this year) he never won a game when GB trailed in the 4th. Obviously he hasn't needed to this year, so far anyway.

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 9:27 AM. Reason : ]

11/29/2011 9:26:44 AM

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"except he doesn't. he doesn't do anything that other's don't do. you have yet to show how he does anything different than others. you are just hating the guy because he has different beliefs than you do. "

This.

I honestly just don't see it.... And I'm not defending him because I share all of his views. I could elaborate more, but I don't want to turn this back into a religion debate.

Please don't use kneeling after TDs, praying for missed FGs, or thanking God as examples. A lot of athletes do this... The only semi-valid point you have is the SB commercial, but that was one instance, for the biggest game in the world, and I would bet that wasn't his idea. It's not like you have a Tebow Christian Fellowship commercial every Sunday.



[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 9:59 AM. Reason : to]

11/29/2011 9:36:26 AM

^^ A little unfair to say Rodgers isn't clutch. I think we can all agree he is much better than he was last year and has very few chances to be "clutch" since he picks apart defenses the entire game. But in a couple of games last year he led solid drives late in the fourth, but was let down by others. For example:

First Bears game last year, after Hester returned a punt for a TD. Rodgers led a 7+ min drive to take the lead with 6+ to go. After Chicago tied it at 17, Rodgers was leading them down the field and Jennings fumbled at the 50. Chicago kicked a FG on the last possession.

vs Miami he led a 12 play 69 yd drive to tie the game with 13 seconds left. GB ended up losing in OT.


Bayless is just your typical ESPN mouth, who says something radical so ESPN has something to talk about for the week. I think there is something to be said that Rodgers hasn't had to lead a 4th Q drive to win the game, even Brady had to lead a few 4Q drives when the Pats went undefeated in '07

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 10:10 AM. Reason : .]

11/29/2011 9:57:36 AM

Kurt Warner, of all people, says Tebow should drop the religious talk: http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2011/11/29/wakeup-call-kurt-warner-says-tim-tebow-should-cool-it-a-bit-with-the-god-talk/related/

11/29/2011 10:54:40 AM

Don't think you read the article, if you are trying to defend Bullet's points. The only reason he says for Tebow to tone it down is because he comes off as insincere. He's not saying Tebow is pushing it on people too much, and he compares what Tebow says in press conferences to other atheletes. Maybe Warner should tell the television folks to tone it down...

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 11:31 AM. Reason : .]

11/29/2011 11:30:12 AM

I'm not defending anyone, just posting a relevant article. I've stated my own opinion before.

11/29/2011 11:32:48 AM

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"Elway's situation was a little different. He could have went and played baseball for the Yankees and said if he couldn't play for the team he wanted he would do that. Not the exact same as just being a huge douche and not wanting to play for a particular team."

wait, so john elway isn't a douche because he could also play baseball???

retard logic ITT

11/29/2011 12:01:06 PM

If some of yall can't recognize that Tebow goes above and beyond almost all other athletes in using his status as an athlete to promote a polarizing viewpoing (religion), then i don't know what to tell you, and i won't argue anymore. but no one has been able to produce one single example of somebody who rivals tebow in this. I'm pretty confident that most of you defending him are just taking it personally, because you have the same beliefs as tebow, and you like seeing him promote them.

11/29/2011 12:28:03 PM

^^ when you dumb it down to that one sentence it seems that way

11/29/2011 12:31:08 PM

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"he only semi-valid point you have is the SB commercial, but that was one instance, for the biggest game in the world, and I would bet that wasn't his idea."

are you serious? semi-valid? why, because it's not easily dismissed? because it causes the real truth about him and why some of us choose not to like him?

and wtf do you mean "it wasn't his idea?" is he 12? did his mommy tell him he had to do a commercial because she got lucky and now thinks ignoring doctor's advice is the right decision for everyone?

it amazes me how his apologists can just dismiss every single little thing about him

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 12:45 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2011 12:45:03 PM

all I'm saying is that regardless, the mofo is 5-1 as a starter, and Denver is on a roll. He isn't the only factor they're 5-1 since he became a starter, but you can't argue that the whole damn team woke the fuck up and is playing better overall.

He's not the first player to say a prayer or point to the sky after a TD or big play and he won't be the last.

Is it a little bit insufferable that during post game interviews he's always like "ZOMG GOD IS AWESOME"? Sure, it gets a little old, but listen to the rest of it, he's always about the team & his teammates. He's not like "I'm so awesome i just told these fuckers to give me the ball and get out the way". I think he does a great job of promoting the "TEAM" aspect of football, which is a bit refreshing.

And I just love the way that when everyone says he can't, he goes and proves them wrong.

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 12:57 PM. Reason : by the way, your mom is fat. ]

11/29/2011 12:56:25 PM

So what? I don't agree with Tim Tebow's beliefs and I don't care if he puts them out there. Point is I'd rather see 100 Tim Tebow's making millions and acting as role models than 1 Michael Vick, Pacman Jones, etc etc. ESPN wouldn't hype him up beyond belief, the stir wouldn't be around him, and this thread wouldn't be 5 pages if people just like the people hating on him here didn't think "Tim Tebow is ramming his religion down my throat, I hate that guy, rawr rawr."

^completely agree

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 12:57 PM. Reason : ]

11/29/2011 12:56:43 PM

I keep saying "promote", not "ram down my throat".
And I said he's "annoyting", I didn't say "i hate him".
There's a difference.

And I agree, his actions and words are more tolerable than Pacman Jones, and he's not hurting anybody, so he's free to do what he wants. But that doesn't mean it's not annoying.

11/29/2011 1:05:33 PM

Teams just need a few more weeks of film to adjust to his offense and style of play. He'll start losing before long.

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 1:11 PM. Reason : ftr: I got nothing against Tebow]

11/29/2011 1:10:51 PM

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/29/my-take-is-tim-tebow-performing-miracles/?hpt=hp_t2

11/29/2011 1:17:26 PM

granted, I think defenses will find a way to stop his style of play - maybe by the final few weeks of this year but definitely next year.

I think the lockout hurt Tebow, he didn't get a chance to get with the coaches and develop. I think next year, after the offseason, he'll probably turn into a better QB. Right now, he's just hella fun to watch (in the 4th quarter) and his team is really rallying around him.

11/29/2011 1:18:09 PM

^7 It was one instance, and it may have been over the top, kind of like Kurt Warner's God told me to play for the Cardinals comment. You and Bullet keep saying he goes above and beyond any other athlete, but fail to come up with any other examples, except "He talks about God a lot in his press conference, herp derp" I'm not saying his mom forced him, I'm just saying I don't think he went running to Focus on Family telling them to pay millions of dollars to promote his message.

Here comes Bullet claiming we all go to the church of Tim Tebow again, like I said I don't agree with Tebow on a lot of points, but it doesn't bother me that he mentions God in his press conferences. Raiden nailed it, if you listen to his press conference he talks a lot more about how great the team is around him, but you intolerant asshats hear "God" one time and think he is over-promoting.



Agreed, I think defenses will catch on and it will be on Tebow to adjust. The Chargers gave him all day in the pocket and forced him to try and beat them with his arm and make a mistake, yet he still came out with another "ugly" win. The thing is, he doesn't make mistakes and doesn't put the D in bad spots. The few times I have watched Tebow he seems to throw a lot of balls in the dirt, which I suspect is him trying to be too careful and not wanting one to sail on him resulting in a pick.

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 1:34 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2011 1:25:30 PM

^calm down bro, quit taking it so personally. i find it annoying, and lots of other people do to. (and btw, still waiting on examples of any athlete promoting religion harder than tebow)

11/29/2011 1:29:21 PM

john kasay easily rivals tebow with his whole "thank god for every game winning kick" and passing out bible verses instead of candy on halloween shtick.

there are tons of black athletes too who are always holding team prayers, etc.

For tebow the media hates him because of the abortion stance, period.

11/29/2011 1:33:17 PM

^^ Haha not personal to me. (Still waiting on how he is over the top, other than something overblown by the media)


I would like to thank God for allowing me to post on TWW today

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 1:41 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2011 1:35:25 PM