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"N*g$3rs"

just say it. we already know your schtick.

10/28/2015 11:18:35 AM

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"Just like the Ahmed bomb hoax, we all know this is only an "issue" because the race of the "victim". As always, it doesn't matter what actually happened, as long as the "victim" is a minority it supports the false-narrative."

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"When you start framing this as a "racial" issue when there is no evidence to support this then you completely lose credibility to many folks that may help protest the issue."

I am not even American. I would have said the same thing if it was a 200 lb white male student athlete. I am color-blind, I don't give a shit about skin color, language, ethnicity, or citizenship.

As I said earlier:

If schools have to resort to using cops using violent force on students because they are being non-violently disobedient, society has failed, at some or multiple levels.

This does not happen in any other country.

Is this part of the "American Exceptionalism"? Why is this not happening elsewhere?

10/28/2015 11:24:21 AM

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"If schools have to resort to using cops using violent force on students because they are being non-violently disobedient, society has failed, at some or multiple levels."

Agreed, but more in the sense that people are raising little shits who don't have any respect for their teachers or fellow students. It should never have to get the point where cops have to come be involved, but at what point do you let a student just sit at their desk disrupting class for the others who are obeying the rules? Seems like she was asked to leave by several levels or authority before being removed forcefully. Granted the force may have been a bit excessive in this case, but I have no problem with a cop showing up and forcefully removing a student from a classroom if other avenues have failed. Again, it shouldn't ever come to this point if students didn't have the mentality that oh you cant do shit and my parents could care less so whatever don't bother me. If they had just kicked the girl out of school people would still be raising hell just for a different reason.

10/28/2015 11:40:16 AM

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"let a student just sit at their desk disrupting class for the others who are obeying the rules?"

Wonder how other countries or schools in the US who don't resort to cops handle this situation. Surely, it happens in other countries and schools, doesn't it?

[honest inquiry]

10/28/2015 11:56:11 AM

I honestly don't know because when I was in school I don't remember things like that happening. If a teacher told you to GTFO the kids got up and went to the office, even the "bad" kids.

This is why I think you see so many people who act like they don't have such a problem with it, because they think if my kid was being that bad and it got to that point then I have no issue with it. I believe that's only because most parents think their child would never let things get to that level rather than thinking body slamming my kid is fine.

[Edited on October 28, 2015 at 12:07 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2015 12:05:05 PM

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"This does not happen in any other country. "

I wouldn't go that far. Our public school system is different than most other western countries in that it is a guaranteed right that all children have, whereas in other areas such as Japan or Europe, you have to start applying to schools at the age of 7 or so or else you are just shit out of luck. This puts a major incentive on the parents to be more responsible, and it is also a leading factor in how the European and Asian public systems fair better than us in performance rankings.

Our system is nice because it gives kids from disadvantaged areas the guarantee that they will have an education regardless of what kind of dip shit parents they have, but then it also floods the system with families that are indifferent to their child's education.

10/28/2015 1:03:17 PM

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"This does not happen in any other country."

srsly? surely, you jest.

10/28/2015 1:43:00 PM

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"Our public school system is different than most other western countries in that it is a guaranteed right that all children have, whereas in other areas such as Japan or Europe, you have to start applying to schools at the age of 7 or so or else you are just shit out of luck."

huh? Japan and Europe have compulsory primary education

10/28/2015 1:51:53 PM

^^ Well, name some then! With evidence.

^^^ Education till 14 or 16 is required by law in pretty much all countries of the world, and public education is free everywhere.

10/28/2015 1:57:51 PM

http://nypost.com/2015/03/14/politicians-are-making-schools-less-safe-and-ruining-education-for-everyone/

10/28/2015 2:14:32 PM

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"huh? Japan and Europe have compulsory primary education"

The way it works is that the families have to apply for certain schools that are considered desirable between the ages of seven to eight. To have a chance of the child getting into University, then you pretty much have to get into one of these schools and hence they are very competitive, even if they are still public.

If the parents do nothing for prepping the kid, then I think that it depends on the countries, but in Germany for instance you end up going to afternoon "tutoring" sessions which are really just counseling to see if the gov needs to get involved with the parenting situation. So, the entire system puts more stress and incentive on the parents at an earlier age.

10/28/2015 2:31:31 PM

Oh, good, the sheriff shitcanned the officer who decided to knock the teenage girl out of her desk, drag her across the room, and pin her to the floor.

Again, this is the good part of people filming cops, it is actually forcing accountability. More police than ever are actually being charged with crimes (charges are up even though conviction are still incredibly hard to come by, for many reasons) and some are actually now losing their jobs instead of being given a paid vacation.

10/28/2015 3:04:14 PM

I am just totally shocked that it came down to this. You'd think that a simple conversation of "listen here girl, either you go with me to the principal's office or I call in another officer to help take you downtown to jail" would suffice, right? Kids these days.

[Edited on October 28, 2015 at 3:15 PM. Reason : shit, DP]

10/28/2015 3:14:46 PM

Man, it's a good thing there weren't cops at my school to arrest me for not following my school's rules.

10/28/2015 3:16:49 PM

The officer at our school was a real clever guy. He primarily socialized with the troubled types and was often finding ways to be an off-duty mentor to them regarding sports and stuff. They ended up respecting him and all issues of misbehavior ended if he was asked to show up.

He also did a lot of off-duty work that was not required of him, and he was in general a real standup guy. I kind of was under the assumption that it was a job requirement for police officers that worked in schools to be generally interested and enthusiastic about mentoring children.

I don't think that our officer would ever think of wrestling somebody to the ground as a legitimate solution.

[Edited on October 28, 2015 at 3:24 PM. Reason : shit, DP]

10/28/2015 3:23:59 PM

We had a school resource officer at my high school. I don't recall him ever doing anything other than smoking outside of the cafeteria and flirting with one of the junior girls with big tits.

10/28/2015 3:24:24 PM

we had a school resource officer that was rumored to have been fired for racy texts with students a couple years after i graduated.

10/28/2015 3:43:55 PM

I'd love to see how the internet warriors who see no wrong in what the cop did would react if a cop ever tried to get physical with them

also gotta keep in mind that these are grown ass men who find no fault in an adult throwing a child around like that

10/28/2015 3:47:09 PM

not that I am defending what happened, but I personality think that this it is ill-advised in ANY situation to defy a police officer. You always have the right to settle this at the police station and so on.

And like I said earlier, my preferred approach would have been "listen here, either you go with me to the principal's office or I call in another officer to help take you downtown to jail". I don't think that cops should be using violent force like that in school.




[Edited on October 28, 2015 at 4:16 PM. Reason : dp]

10/28/2015 4:12:44 PM

bringing any student to jail over a school-related issue is absurd and is precisely what's wrong with how schools have chosen to enforce rules. it's an awful, awful protocol.

ignore the kid for not doing what the teacher told her to do, write her up, and suspend her. that's how these things are supposed to be dealt with.

10/28/2015 4:19:46 PM

no doubt, the teenager was being a shithead - but that's what teenagers do, but that definitely didn't justify the cop's actions and I'm glad the mofo got fired. He should be fired. Why are cops in school? It certainly hasn't stopped school shootings.

7 hells I shudder to think what would have happened if there was a cop at my school when I was there. I'd probably have a criminal record right now.

I remember in elementary school, when I disrupted class (and I did b/c my ADD was out of control), they'd just move me out in the hall - which was fine by me lol. But if I kept actin up in the hallway, usually I'd get paddled by the principle/vice principle and then get it again by my dad when they called him to come get me.

And in high school, when they told me to leave a class, I was like "cool" and just left the damn school. Those assholes didn't have to tell me twice to leave.

10/28/2015 4:21:24 PM

This is just another symptom of the actual underlying societal issues. Zero tolerance rules and hyper-vigilance about safety from things that aren't actually dangerous, speech codes, safe spaces, and so on and so on.

It's ridiculous. Congratulations, we've crafted a society in which flight attendants can have you tossed off a plane at a whim and the police get called to handcuff 8 year olds.

Yes, she definitely should have put her fucking phone away when the teacher told her to, and then when the administrator came in and told her the same thing she should have done it, and when the SRO got called she should have done it. However that doesn't justify the clearly excessive force, nor does it make sense for this ever to be the protocol for this situation.

10/28/2015 4:44:22 PM

Cops have been in schools for decades. We always had 2 to 3 at my school in the 90s. One was cool. One was a dick that looked a lot like Farva



[Edited on October 28, 2015 at 4:58 PM. Reason : ]

10/28/2015 4:57:30 PM

Yes, they've been present, but calling them to handle incredibly minor "outbursts" is a relatively new phenomenon. They used to do stuff like talk to kids about drugs, patrol the parking lot during lunch to make sure nobody was smoking, you know... useless but harmless bullshit.

Now we've got them doing the job that vice principals used to do. Partly it's because we're such a litigious society that if a teacher laid a hand on a student the school district gets sued, but also because this generation's parents are a bunch of pants pissing wimps who probably believe that there's a chance that the lifesaver gummies that the neighbor is handing out this Halloween might actually be laced with MDMA just like they read on Facebook, so best not to let them trick or treat.

10/28/2015 5:09:58 PM

I remember a few teachers during my reign in high school 1999-2003 that were such pussies and conflict adverse they would send kids to the principals or call in a SRO at the smallest bit of trouble.

10/28/2015 5:17:24 PM

Welp, nice to see they did the correct thing in firing this cop's dumb ass. No worries for the cop though...he is all but guaranteed a job in a neighboring jurisdiction.

I do wonder, if the family of the teen decides to sue the police department, how successful they will be since it has been determined that the officer did not follow policy.

10/28/2015 6:04:20 PM

DC cop abusing their authority while serving a 17 year old girl

http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/dc/2015/10/28/video-dc-cop-shoots-teen-for-chewing-gum-while-serving-warrant

10/28/2015 6:44:41 PM

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"ignore the kid for not doing what the teacher told her to do, write her up, and suspend her. that's how these things are supposed to be dealt with."

10/28/2015 7:19:17 PM

http://louderwithcrowder.com/spring-valley-latest-racist-police-brutality-story-changes-with-new-video/

Shows a different angle, higher quality. Also she did "hit" the officer and tried to stay in her desk by raising her leg, which caused the desk to flip when he tried to remove her.

10/28/2015 7:55:51 PM

10/28/2015 7:57:03 PM

pretty fun to see where he gets some of his bullshit from

it really shouldn't be that difficult to see how awful and unnecessary the whole situation was

bonus points for not even mentioning the cop throwing the teenage girl across the room

[Edited on October 28, 2015 at 8:17 PM. Reason : and now that post has been taken down. wonder who he's gonna blame?]

10/28/2015 8:12:24 PM

I'll laugh in 6 months when the officer is reinstated after the fear of a #BLM backlash dissipates and a careful review finds the officers reaction in line to deal with this uncooperative brat.

I'll laugh even more in 6 years when this brat goes to jail for assault, resisting arrest, etc

10/28/2015 9:02:31 PM

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"Now we've got them doing the job that vice principals used to do. Partly it's because we're such a litigious society that if a teacher laid a hand on a student the school district gets sued, but also because this generation's parents are a bunch of pants pissing wimps who probably believe that there's a chance that the lifesaver gummies that the neighbor is handing out this Halloween might actually be laced with MDMA just like they read on Facebook, so best not to let them trick or treat."

This is exactly what the problem is and kids know it so they feel like they are untouchable and can be assholes whenever they want. Society has gotten so touchy feely on everything that this is the result.

10/29/2015 8:21:03 AM

^^^ I saw the video in a FB feed. It's the only place I saw the other view and it is embedded to the site.

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"I'd love to see how the internet warriors who see no wrong in what the cop did would react if a cop ever tried to get physical with them"

Problem with that hypothetical is people defending the cop, defending rules and compliance with authority, won't get thrown around because they aren't idiots.

In about 95% of these cop videos posted by outrage culture, if the victim had done what the cop asked, they wouldn't get their shit wrecked. Obviously it doesn't justify police brutality, and more body cameras are a good thing, but it is worth noting compliance is smarter than the "fuck da police" mindset that is perpetuated everytime people defend idiots who volunteer to victimize themselves by needlessly escalating situations with police.

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"also gotta keep in mind that these are grown ass men who find no fault in an adult throwing a child around like that"

My only problem about the video is it's a woman and I don't think a grown ass man should rag doll the bitch. If it was a 14 year old boy I would be 100% fine with it.

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"my preferred approach would have been "listen here, either you go with me to the principal's office or I call in another officer to help""

I'm not sure if 2 cops removing her would have made it appear any less "outrageous". She is in a desk and resisting, essentially forcing the cop to get physical. Either way you are removing someone who is resisting, and as a big white guy doing that to a small black girl (with just the violent part on camera) outrage culture is gonna be pissed regardless.

10/29/2015 9:20:49 AM

your constant use of the phrase "outrage-culture" implies that the videos that have surfaced over the past few years aren't outrageous to those who don't want to be outraged

why are you (and people like that dude who runs the site you linked to) so quick to dismiss the awfulness of the videos?

there's this guy throwing a teenage girl across a classroom. there's Walter Scott being shot in the back while running as if he were in quick sand. there's that cop at the Texas pool being super aggressive with a teenage girl. there's Tamir Rice being shot before he even had a chance to open his mouth and let the cops know what the situation was. there's Sandra Bland who was pulled over for what amounts to nothing and pulled out of her car. there's Sam Dubose who was shot point blank during a traffic stop while posing no threat. there's that guy in the gas station parking lot in SC who got shot while following the cops orders (at least he lived)

those are all awful, outrageous instances that don't need a qualifier like "outrage-culture". they're also the ones that happened to be caught on camera. there are no excuses for any of them, yet there is a sizable enough group who are always super quick to look for a reason of why they deserved what happened to them.

10/29/2015 10:42:55 AM

because he is a fragile racist

10/29/2015 10:53:08 AM

reddit AMA with a school resource officer
https://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3qk8wr/im_not_the_guy_from_the_news_but_i_am_a_school/cwg0qfn

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""I find it very troubling that there may be many SROs that want to be better utilized as an asset for at-risk children but are hindered by the behavior or assumptions of the school/district they are assigned to." I wanted to address this specifically because it brings up one of my largest complaints, and a constant uphill battle I fight. In a microcosm, here is the disconnect between schools and SRO's: Situation: A kid does something goofy in class, maybe he talks out of turn, throws something at another kid, mouths off to the teacher, and gets sent to the principals office. Nothing criminal has occurred. Kid refuses to go, won't leave class, so teacher calls principal, principals sends me to pull the kid out. This is a gigantic fucking problem. The situation can only play out a handful of ways. If the kid comes willingly, crisis averted. But what if he doesn't? Now you have two options. You could try to talk him out, but if that fails, then what? If you don't succeed, that whole class is watching you. As a cop, you'll neuter yourself. That kid must come out of that class or you will lose a massive amount of authority in the eyes of the kids. So you have one more option. Force him out. Do it gently, sure, but if he struggles or fights back, then what? Now you're fighting a kid. But here's the motherfucker: You're fighting a kid for a non-criminal school infraction. You, a 200 lbs certified police officer, are fighting a fucking kid for a goddamn school infraction. If I sound mad, it's because I am. I have gone to bat so many times to the principals and told them, stop calling me for that. If you don't want a kid arrested, if he didn't do something criminal, call the disciplinarian and leave me out of it. But they won't, and they haven't, and one day it's going to be a problem and I'll end up the guy from the fucking news. Ninja next day edit: First, thank you for the gold. Second, there's a couple things people keep bringing up that I wanted to address. Namely, some responders seem to think that by this post I'm suggesting going zero to 100 and that I'm fighting every kid who refuses to leave a class. This is not accurate. In my other responses you'll see a lot of the non-violent methodology I use to get kids to leave class. Other people here have offered more great suggestions and strategies, which is awesome. Another topic that keeps coming up is that not leaving is technically breaking the law. I talked about that too in some other responses. This is accurate. Not leaving can be construed as breaking the law. But do we really want an incident which, before SRO's, would be handled at the school level being turned into a criminal offense? Isn't the idea behind SRO's to reduce the school to prison pipeline? Poor SRO programs are the ones that increase arrest rates, good ones are the ones that don't. Another topic is, why not just refuse to do it? Again, this is discussed in other comments, but understand this: If I refuse the principal, I will more than likely be removed from the school. I did refuse once, and I was very nearly kicked out and my relationship with admin has and will not ever be the same. And I don't want to be removed from the school... at least not yet. One day soon I imagine, but not now. Lastly, many people keep bringing up "losing face" in front of the kids. It has been said that I am more concerned about my authority than I am about the kids. Not true. Every encounter a police officer has, not just SRO's but every officer, will send a lasting message to the kid and everyone else who watches that encounter. If I go in, try to talk the kid out, fail, and shrug my shoulders and say, "Oh well, sorry, couldn't do it," what happens then? The kids already call the school's bluff. They know that the school can't really do anything, in fact, there's a maximum amount of suspension days kids are allowed to get in a year. Hit your cap, and the school can't do jack shit other than call your parents and complain. And if the parents don't care, or feel like the school/cop is the bad guy, then what's left? Now, the kid wants to call the police out the same way they called the school's bluff. If you allow it, the result will be that it keeps happening, and eventually those kids will carry that attitude out on the street and patrol won't treat them with kid gloves and care, they'll lock them up for any offense they can find and now that kid has a record. Kids need to understand that when the police show up, you must follow directions. Law and order function on that premise. If the directions are unlawful, then follow up later through the proper channels to get justice. The concept of telling the police to fuck off is how you end up with more Mike Browns. You may not like that, but it's reality, dude. That's how you end up with the catch-22 described in this post. The police shouldn't be there to enforce school discipline, because it turns it into a crime. But when the police are there, it's now a crime, and you can't just let it slide because there are far reaching and longer term consequences than possibly having to manhandle a teenager. But then once that's over, and the school doesn't want to press charges, you're back to being a school disciplinarian and bouncer, which is not the job of an SRO, and legal police authority shouldn't be wielded in that manner unless an arrest is imminent. It's circular. Don't call the cops if you don't want someone arrested, and if you want someone arrested and they resist, expect reasonable and appropriate force to be used to effect that arrest. But have we come so far as a society to think that we need to call the cops for nothing but defiance?"

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"Good question, and another frustrating issue. Technically, under our agreement with the district, I am described as a liason from the PD who works out of the school, in partnership with the administrative team. I can, under our contract, tell the principal to pound sand (which I did once, keep reading). In practive, the principal tells you to do things, and you either do them and keep the principal happy, or tell them no, and you'll soon find yourself booted out of the school (regardless of whether or not you were right) and back in patrol. I told me principal no once. She wanted a kid arrested, I shit you not, because she wouldn't take off her hat. I said no. The principal lost her shit, started screaming at me to get the kid out of the building, so I walked the student out and took her home. The kid was fucked up. Unwanted by her mother, dropped into the grandmother's lap, grandma didn't want her, and the principal had a grudge against her because she was mouthy and a troublemaker, but never anything serious. If you stopped to talk to her, you'd find out she was a nice girl (dumb as a box of rocks, but nice). Principal called a meeting and threatened to fire me for it. I told her I'm the police, and I decide who gets arrested and who doesn't. She hit me with, "I don't think you respect me," "I don't think you believe I know what I'm doing," "I don't trust you," "You're defiant," etc and I've been on thin ice ever since. One day I'm going to be kicked out of here, it's just a matter of time."

[Edited on October 29, 2015 at 11:29 AM. Reason : pg]

10/29/2015 11:28:03 AM

That was actually an excellent post pretty much exactly the problem with this whole situation.

This part especially

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"Now, the kid wants to call the police out the same way they called the school's bluff. If you allow it, the result will be that it keeps happening, and eventually those kids will carry that attitude out on the street and patrol won't treat them with kid gloves and care, they'll lock them up for any offense they can find and now that kid has a record. Kids need to understand that when the police show up, you must follow directions. Law and order function on that premise. If the directions are unlawful, then follow up later through the proper channels to get justice. The concept of telling the police to fuck off is how you end up with more Mike Browns. You may not like that, but it's reality, dude."

You would like to see it not get to the point the cop shows up, but once they do he is left in a shitty situation where if you don't comply they almost have no choice but to forcefully remove them and if you let it get to that point I don't feel bad for you. It was a bit excessive probably but again you shouldnt put yourself in that situation in the first place.

[Edited on October 29, 2015 at 11:47 AM. Reason : .]

10/29/2015 11:44:58 AM

no, fuck that, blind obedience is how we ended up in an authoritarian police state

10/29/2015 11:51:34 AM

The E Man = dtownral?

Fuck the police. But do what they say if they're threatening you with violence.

[Edited on October 29, 2015 at 12:19 PM. Reason : .]

10/29/2015 12:18:51 PM

An SRO should be held to the same standards as an officer working an off duty job. When a business hires me, I'm there as a deterrent. I will enforce criminal laws, but I'm forbidden from enforcing the rules of the business. For example, you work at a club. The club has a strict dress code, like no hats. Guy wants to come in with his hat. Club says no. I'm not there to tell him to take it off or deny his entry. I'm there if the club tells him he is trespassing and refuses to leave or commits a disorderly conduct related offense. It should be the same way for a school. Teacher says leave, principal says leave the property, and you won't. Well now you are trespassing on school grounds or there disorderly on school grounds charge. If the admin says they will prosecute, time to enforce the law.

10/29/2015 12:39:26 PM

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"But do what they say if they're threatening you with violence."

you practice civil disobedience. you don't escalate or attack them, but you be non-compliant and cause a disruption

10/29/2015 12:44:01 PM

^^ I thought the Reddit AMA response was pretty eye opening though, because I think SROs really shouldn't be the same as a nightclub bouncer and should be held to different standards.

They spend their days interacting with kids on all kinds of levels. When I was in school our SRO was a remarkable officer and well loved & respected through the school. He interacted with students almost like a teacher, and you never heard of incidents of violence or rough handling because no one would dare argue with him.
He was semi-famous with RPD apparently because a friend of mine went through training and our SRO was talked about extensively about his notoriety as an SRO.

These are kids, not prisoners. SROs should be a positive part of the school and not COs. It just seems like in these cases school systems are leaning on law enforcement to do their dirty work. If a kid is out of line they can either handle it themselves, or they can send in the boogeyman SRO who can deal with the ramifications without making the school look bad or have to deal with the consequences.

How are kids supposed to respect cops when the first one they interact with on a daily basis is basically a militant strong arm?

[Edited on October 29, 2015 at 12:52 PM. Reason : ]

10/29/2015 12:52:12 PM

I also wanted to point out something that may have some meaning. If you notice in the video all the other kids are sitting at their desk just letting the officer do what is is doing. I feel like if they felt he was going overboard without a good reason there would be all sorts of yelling at him. The fact they all sat there quiet while that was happening makes me think they were aware this girl was escalating the situation and knew she was about to get in big trouble. I could be wrong, the obvious counter to that is they were all scared the cop was gonna shoot them, but just seemed like they were ready for that girl to be removed and get on with their day.

10/29/2015 1:09:09 PM

^ You'd think social media would have the account from the students' perspectives out there somewhere.

There was a reddit thread saying this cop was a known douche though and routinely will push students around.

I do blame the school admin in this case more than the cop, because they shouldn't be calling him if they don't want him to do cop stuff to the kids.

10/29/2015 1:20:05 PM

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"'m not sure if 2 cops removing her would have made it appear any less "outrageous". She is in a desk and resisting, essentially forcing the cop to get physical. Either way you are removing someone who is resisting, and as a big white guy doing that to a small black girl (with just the violent part on camera) outrage culture is gonna be pissed regardless. "

I was referring to mental games, and what I would have done if I were the cop that was called. Since the cop was already called to duty, it was his mess to sort out. Despite how tuff that girl appeared to be, I am sure that blatant threats of making a big criminal mess of things would have been enough to convince her to leave.

10/29/2015 1:23:00 PM

^^^^. I agree. The SRO shouldn't be comparable to a a prison guard. They should wear many different hats and get involved in the school. However, they should know when and how they can use their police powers. Enforcing the school rules isn't one of them.

I really do encourage you all to do a ride along with your local police department. I think it would be a an eye openi experience. It probably won't change your mind, but it will give you some perspective on how we do our job and what we are asked to do.

[Edited on October 29, 2015 at 1:24 PM. Reason : .]

10/29/2015 1:24:27 PM

Is there a place to sign up for such things? I can imagine that would be an interesting experience to get an idea of what goes on day to day. Can I tase someone acting like an idiot because I have always wanted to do that haha. (J/K)

10/29/2015 1:28:54 PM

Almost every department in the U.S. let's people ride. I've had 2 this month.

10/29/2015 1:32:34 PM

yeah but do you put on an act?

10/29/2015 1:36:15 PM