Big4Country All American 11914 Posts user info edit post |
My computer screen right now with NASCAR Truck Series and 2 different Le Mans feeds playing at the same time.
[Edited on June 17, 2017 at 9:55 PM. Reason : .] 6/17/2017 9:54:18 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
I hope the plug in hybrid rules get more people to enter lmp1, it's boring right now 6/17/2017 10:04:05 PM |
Big4Country All American 11914 Posts user info edit post |
Looks the the Aston Martin cars are going to win the LM GTE Pro division.
Oh and Denny Hamlin won in Xfinity and John Hunter Nemechek won in the truck series. Crafton and Briscoe both had solid runs again, but failed to win. 6/17/2017 10:46:34 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
Wow, what an exciting last 10 minutes for GTE Pro. The Corvette was leading for a long time, the Aston dove inside to try to pass but the corvette was able to cut inside and keep the lead. Going wide slowed down the Aston and the Corvette opened up his lead. The the Corvette locked up and went straight through the gravel at a chicane. He picked up time but got a picture and damaged his front spoiler and was under steering. The Aston passed and on the last lap the Corvette was just trying to get across the line and the Ford passed him before the Corvette passed the line smoking with sparks flying with he front drivers side tire absolutely locked up and flat spotted 6/18/2017 9:11:27 AM |
Big4Country All American 11914 Posts user info edit post |
LOL at Corvette running off the track on the final lap, cutting a tire, and finishing 3rd. 6/18/2017 9:22:48 AM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""The car was the biggest piece of ... out there, and I made something happen with it," Busch said. "That's what happens when you put a driver like me out there."" |
http://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/story/_/id/19664018/brad-keselowski-kyle-busch-collide-right-start-xfinity-series-race
what a douche nozzle. he took himself out on the first lap. he can blame himself and/or his spotter, but not keselowski.6/18/2017 11:56:11 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
^^ i think his tire was already going down before his off at the chicane, he had contact earlier in the lap and that's when i think his trouble actually started. 6/18/2017 12:42:12 PM |
Big4Country All American 11914 Posts user info edit post |
^Good point. Jordan Taylor is a good driver. He is undefeated in the IMSA Prototype division this year.
WOW! Larson won!!!!!!!! I'm getting used to him blowing it in the last 50 laps of a race.
[Edited on June 18, 2017 at 8:47 PM. Reason : .] 6/18/2017 8:44:16 PM |
beatsunc All American 10748 Posts user info edit post |
LarSON!
I really enjoyed little douche losing race due to an invisible debris caution 6/19/2017 5:25:37 AM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
Pretty decent race. The racing has significantly improved this year. I hate that it took stage racing and the charter system to get us there, but it really is better overall. 6/19/2017 12:58:48 PM |
Flyin Ryan All American 8224 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "hope the plug in hybrid rules get more people to enter lmp1, it's boring right now" |
Doubtful. Too much money and that's what has happened time and again when you create a category so expensive that only car manufacturers can afford to do it. It's also why IMSA don't even have an LMP1 class in their series.
The one lone Porsche staved off a pretty embarrassing loss for the class on the level of when the Grand-Am prototype class lost to the GT cars at the Daytona 24 Hours for a few years.
[Edited on June 19, 2017 at 1:32 PM. Reason : .]6/19/2017 1:27:53 PM |
Flyin Ryan All American 8224 Posts user info edit post |
^^ My wife said she liked the stages. I responded I don't mind the concept of stages inasmuch I mind the 12-minute-long caution flag that follows. (Time for one of them yesterday from stage end to green flag was 12 minutes.) Throw on top of it the absolutely beyond stupid wave-around rule, and excuse me Fox if I'm not really impressed that Erik Jones is running in the top 10 when you gave him a lap back he didn't earn at a prescheduled caution by driving around the pace car. Congrats, he was on the lead lap, so was Matt DiBenedetto with 75 to go. There was as much demonstrated display of talent by Jones to get on the lead lap as there was from DiBenedetto.
As far as the racing, the charters have nothing to deal with it, and based on the car count and the number of leases this year there are in fact too many of them.
[Edited on June 19, 2017 at 1:51 PM. Reason : .] 6/19/2017 1:41:46 PM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
Seema to me that having a guaranteed spot in every race would make it easier to secure solid sponsorship, which makes it easier to actually compete with the elite teams. 6/19/2017 3:04:58 PM |
Big4Country All American 11914 Posts user info edit post |
^The problem is no one cares about the no name teams that finish middle to back of the pack every week. I wouldn't want to sponsor whoever traditionally finishes in the back half of the pack either if I owned my own corporation. Outside of the top 10, or 15 best drivers the only ones worth maybe sponsoring would be Danica Patrick just because she is a girl and Jeffrey Earnhardt just because of his last name. The rest are pointless. 6/19/2017 6:19:56 PM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
your personal cost-benefit analysis of multi million dollar motorsports sponsorship agreements is not relevant 6/19/2017 8:19:01 PM |
Big4Country All American 11914 Posts user info edit post |
^I will say I saw someone involved with Lowe's say on a pre-race show a few years ago that they get $9 back for ever $1 they invest in NASCAR. Of course they sponsor one of the best drivers who is a part of one of the best teams in NASCAR, so it is probably worth it. I'm guessing that isn't the case in all situations though. Some of those drivers in the back of the pack never even get a mention on TV unless they wreck. 6/19/2017 9:29:13 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Doubtful. Too much money and that's what has happened time and again when you create a category so expensive that only car manufacturers can afford to do it. It's also why IMSA don't even have an LMP1 class in their series.
The one lone Porsche staved off a pretty embarrassing loss for the class on the level of when the Grand-Am prototype class lost to the GT cars at the Daytona 24 Hours for a few years." |
well its supposed to get the people interested in leaving for formula e (porsche) to stay
there are also money saving things like adaptive aero so they don't have to develop a package for each track6/19/2017 9:35:53 PM |
Flyin Ryan All American 8224 Posts user info edit post |
^ Porsche will never leave sportscars. They didn't have a factory entry for years and still had tons of privateers (some of whom were factory blessed) campaign their 911s.
I've yet to find actual racefans of Formula E, the biggest proponents of it seem to be people that don't actually like racing in that they don't like racing but this is what they think racing should be. They're going to hold a race in New York City for instance - the city in the country that notoriously hates racing and automobiles the most: the dumbassishness of Bernie Ecclestone has spread. And you'll never get the European racing crowd with a spec car, they're notoriously anti-spec.
It's certainly well funded though when you look at the teams and how a lot of the drivers are F1 castoffs. Andretti for example has a team and he's shown in other series he's not fielding a car in something like this unless someone else is paying the bills.
Driver-wise it seems to be a series for guys waiting to get into sportscars or Indycar or weren't able to make it in those categories. Esteban Gutierrez just left the rest of his Formula E season to take a ride with Dale Coyne (not a top team) in Indycars. And some others have left for WEC rides. Sebastien Buemi (current series point leader by a large margin) should be in F1, but isn't because he was a Red Bull guy coming up and they chuck youngsters into the garbage can on a routine basis.
I watched some of a race last year when they were in Paris, and the Mickey Mouse track design combined with the high-pitched engine whine just struck me like I was watching a karting race. To become better they absolutely have to get rid of the car switch, get rid of the fan vote giving certain drivers a boost in horsepower (that is so wrong on so many levels), and the race courses need to become more challenging.
[Edited on June 19, 2017 at 10:24 PM. Reason : .] 6/19/2017 10:10:39 PM |
Flyin Ryan All American 8224 Posts user info edit post |
NeuseRvrRat,
You have teams like Roush and Petty for this year that effectively gave up their charters on one-year leases because they couldn't find the money to field them (at the level they expect). If they don't use those cars next year, they'll forfeit the charters. (In other words, they'll sell them at discount prices, which reduces their value.) Not to mention you don't need a charter to make the field at the moment, and teams like the Wood Brothers have never owned one. (They've been doing lease deals, maybe expecting the price to go down.) To add on, all indications are Danica will retire and Stewart-Haas will drop the 10 car.
You look at owner points and there are the 36 full-timers plus 3 that have been at most races. (The BK #83 have been in every race this year, but are not entering Sonoma. ) The #83 is in owner points 35th, ahead of its teammate #23 and Jeffrey Earnhardt's #33, both of which have charters. Throwing in other drivers that can be safely called backmarkers, Michael McDowell's #95, Cole Whitt's #72, Matt DiBenedetto's #32, the 2 Front Row cars (Cassill and Ragan), and the Premium #15 car, and 8 of the 36 charters are being used by that type of team if not a full charter than on a lease. (By the way, Danica's car is 30th in owner points behind the #95 and the #38.)
I'm not all heavy anti-backmarker. One of Indycar's problems at the moment is there is no entry route into the series for a lower-class team (if you want to enter new, you have to spend like the middle-class) and they only have a 21-car entry most races. You might say "who cares?" but if the field has no backmarkers that means the middle-class finish at the back, and that's not good for them trying to get sponsors. Backmarkers also should provide opportunities to new drivers, new sponsors, new crewmen, new owners. Furniture Row were once a backmarker.
NASCAR's problem at the moment is the front of the the field is healthy and the back of the field is actually pretty healthy (these guys are running the full race, they're not start-and-parkers). The problem is the series' middle-class has been constantly hollowed out. I think if you went back through all the mergers and such, the current Ganassi and Petty teams used to be half the field (DEI, Evernham, Bobby Ginn, Petty, Ganassi, Yates, probably missing a couple).
[Edited on June 20, 2017 at 12:05 PM. Reason : .] 6/20/2017 11:37:47 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
^^ talking about LMP1, you can't privateer a Porsche LMP1
Porsche has been talking about leaving LMP1 for Formula E, the rule change to plug-in is supposed to be to get them to stay 6/20/2017 1:09:21 PM |
Flyin Ryan All American 8224 Posts user info edit post |
The ACO have always written the rulebook to appease the manufacturers. Audi wanted to run a diesel-powered car one year. Guess what happened? Petrol-powered cars had a lot of disadvantages baked in. Audi backed off the diesel. Guess what happened? The diesels were penalized backward.
That is how sportscar racing works, for better or worse.
[Edited on June 20, 2017 at 2:14 PM. Reason : .] 6/20/2017 2:03:32 PM |
Big4Country All American 11914 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.10best.com/awards/travel/best-motorsports-race-2017/
Interesting "10 Best Races" poll. Looks like no one likes NASCAR so far. 6/23/2017 11:11:09 AM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
truck race was pretty good 6/23/2017 10:53:20 PM |
beatsunc All American 10748 Posts user info edit post |
^Iowa is great track, i hope there will be a cup race there in a few years \
Also hoping today will be DW's last race 6/25/2017 9:19:19 AM |
Big4Country All American 11914 Posts user info edit post |
^What one would you get rid of on the cup series then? New Hampshire lost a second date so that Las Vegas could get a second date. I guess Dover, Pocono, Kansas, Michigan, or Phoenix would be the best options since they host Cup twice.
[Edited on June 25, 2017 at 11:01 AM. Reason : .] 6/25/2017 10:58:05 AM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
get rid of a talladega race 6/25/2017 2:09:34 PM |
Big4Country All American 11914 Posts user info edit post |
^they aren't going to ditch any of the restrictor plate races 6/25/2017 2:27:35 PM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
i didn't say they would
that's just what i'd like to see done
you fucking dolt 6/25/2017 2:28:46 PM |
Big4Country All American 11914 Posts user info edit post |
^Those are some of the most entertaining ones though. 6/25/2017 3:49:53 PM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
that's just like, your opinion, man 6/25/2017 4:33:40 PM |
beatsunc All American 10748 Posts user info edit post |
on Jr's podcast last week he was talking about how debris cautions are bull crap and this week we have cars spinning out all over the place and it stays green. nice
[Edited on June 25, 2017 at 7:53 PM. Reason : a] 6/25/2017 7:52:15 PM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
forgot how much dale jarrett and kyle petty suck as tv commentators 6/29/2017 6:15:59 PM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
gonna be miserably hot on those xfinity drivers today 7/1/2017 7:38:14 AM |
beatsunc All American 10748 Posts user info edit post |
^yep and 6 of them running cup race tonight too 7/1/2017 11:35:59 AM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
all these plate races are the same. just ride around until 10 to go and then wreck fest. 7/1/2017 4:44:47 PM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
man this sucks 7/1/2017 10:03:49 PM |
beatsunc All American 10748 Posts user info edit post |
firecracker 400 kilometers on the daytona roval would be better 7/2/2017 12:40:46 PM |
Big4Country All American 11914 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "forgot how much dale jarrett and kyle petty suck as tv commentators" |
Yeah, I don't like NBC as much. Fox always shows the top 3 and then scrolls through the rest of the field. NBC just scrolls through the field.7/4/2017 2:17:12 AM |
Big4Country All American 11914 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "forgot how much dale jarrett and kyle petty suck as tv commentators" |
Yeah, I don't like NBC as much. Fox always shows the top 3 and then scrolls through the rest of the field. NBC just scrolls through the field.7/4/2017 2:17:12 AM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
DW sucks too, but Jeff Gordon actually ended up being a really great commentator 7/4/2017 9:03:08 AM |
ookami Starting Lineup 71 Posts user info edit post |
^ Agreed, thought he did a good job. 7/4/2017 10:03:08 AM |
Big4Country All American 11914 Posts user info edit post |
^^Agreed 7/4/2017 11:38:07 AM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
lol kyle lost his cool and bitched about his interim crew chief. who would want to work with that peckerhead? 7/4/2017 8:25:36 PM |
beatsunc All American 10748 Posts user info edit post |
^thats what got him fired from hendrick.... 7/5/2017 6:41:04 AM |
Big4Country All American 11914 Posts user info edit post |
Xfinity race delayed to noon on Saturday. 7/7/2017 7:16:03 PM |
beatsunc All American 10748 Posts user info edit post |
^down force races are always better in the daytime
so glad nbc is back mostly because i can watch replays of races and practices on demand on their site. fox guys are jerks about it. live only 7/8/2017 8:43:18 AM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
78 was a rocket ship tonight. glad he closed the deal and the douche wasn't able to steal it. 7/8/2017 10:50:41 PM |
beatsunc All American 10748 Posts user info edit post |
JGR has got to be thinking cole pearn not sharing all the info on why the 78 is often faster than them 7/9/2017 6:43:35 AM |
Big4Country All American 11914 Posts user info edit post |
^^Agreed! I like MTJ. When the caution came out I thought it was over. MTJ and Larson are two of the best when it comes to blowing the lead late in the race after dominating. 7/9/2017 10:00:37 AM |
NeuseRvrRat hello Mr. NSA! 35376 Posts user info edit post |
Just seems that way this season because they have dominated so many races. 7/10/2017 2:59:45 PM |