His interviews and speeches are much much worse when read. Listening to them is bad enough, but Jesus on paper? Ugh.

5/1/2017 10:56:57 AM

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""Had Andrew Jackson been a little bit later, you wouldn't have had the Civil War," Trump told SiriusXMPolitics about the seventh President, who left office 24 years before, and died 16 years before, the onset of the American Civil War. "He was a very tough person, but he had a big heart, and he was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War," Trump said. "He said, there's no reason for this. People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, you think about it, why? People don't ask that question," Trump continued. "But why was there the Civil War. Why would that one not have been worked out?" Jackson was in office from 1829 to 1837 and died in 1845. The Civil War broke out 16 years after Jackson's death, on April 12, 1861, when Fort Sumter, in South Carolina, was attacked."

5/1/2017 1:11:30 PM

https://twitter.com/lopezlinette/status/859096500105826307

Trump presidency in two pictures. No coherent view. No idea what actual policy might be.

And certain Twitter uses are correct in that if you ask Trump about X, he will say he is looking at X. This is exactly what Bloomberg did. The market barely even reacted. 100 days in and his diarrhea barely moves markets anymore. Sad!

If I thought he was serious about any further banking reform I'd give him credit. But he isnt.

[Edited on May 1, 2017 at 1:36 PM. Reason : X]

5/1/2017 1:35:30 PM

This is just underlining why he gives so few real interviews. They have to keep him off camera as much as possible to hide his personality.

5/1/2017 1:40:27 PM

oops.

Its not good

[Edited on May 1, 2017 at 1:42 PM. Reason : ds]

5/1/2017 1:40:27 PM

Yet his supporters still support him. You guys still don't get it. None of you. The arrogance of liberal elitism being demonstrated on the last page+half is exactly why he was elected.

Your critique of Trump may be correct but it also reflects his supporters (aka the majority of the nation) who support him. In a democracy, criticism of the political official as a person (i'm not just talking about criticising one mistake) is really a criticism of the constituents who support him.

When you say he's a con man that reflets more as you saying the voters were conned.

When you say he can't speak that reflects as you saying anyone who isn't a polished ivy-league type speaker, isn't credible.



...and those are just some of the good-hearted statements. Most democrats are still calling anyone who voted for trump racist or just plain stupid.

They aren't hearing what you are saying and that is the definition of being out of touch.

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"It was a point in time ripe for a con man. Simple as that. - Proliferation of fake news is just starting and the mediums most susceptible weren't ready for it. - Two historically unpopular candidates for president - Economic uncertainty for an aging populace led to yearning for a time gone by that is never returning"

These weren't things that "ripened". These were cause-effect situations.

1. MSM went down a path towards fake news by being 1-sided during the Obama years. If MSM isn't real, then who cares if some news is fake?
2. These candidates didn't just "happen". It was a direct strategy of the DNC signed off on by liberal elites like yourself.
3. Maybe its never returning but it COULD return if politicians decided on that. Obama promised hope of more certainty and the democrats chose to help the banks and auto companies instead of the people.

Once again these are all consequences and reactions to very specific actions and not some sort of "point in time that was ripe" as liberal elites suggest. YOU DID THIS

5/1/2017 4:11:33 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/us/politics/trump-cbs-interview.html

how is his approval rating even 40%...?

the andrew jackson thing doesn't bother me. It's certainly a grossly uninformed opinion, but trump was just saying IF Jackson were somehow born later and still alive, Trump thinks he would have been able to stop the civil war. The implication being Jackson would have used brutality tactics like Erdogan/Gadaffi/Assad uses to crush dissent.

People are misreading it, maybe helping trump, but painting it as Trump not knowing history, or not realizing jackson was dead.

[Edited on May 1, 2017 at 4:17 PM. Reason : ]

5/1/2017 4:16:42 PM

If you go by the numbers, you would be incorrect in saying the majority of the nation supports Trump. He lost the popular vote. He was elected by a minority.

5/1/2017 4:33:30 PM

^^^alright, now I'm convinced it's E-Man

5/1/2017 4:36:56 PM

Quote :

"Your critique of Trump may be correct but it also reflects his supporters (aka the majority of the nation) who support him. In a democracy, criticism of the political official as a person (i'm not just talking about criticising one mistake) is really a criticism of the constituents who support him. When you say he's a con man that reflets more as you saying the voters were conned. When you say he can't speak that reflects as you saying anyone who isn't a polished ivy-league type speaker, isn't credible. ...and those are just some of the good-hearted statements. Most democrats are still calling anyone who voted for trump racist or just plain stupid. They aren't hearing what you are saying and that is the definition of being out of touch. "

...And conservatives take the high road and never engage in these sorts of behaviors. You betcha!

5/1/2017 5:19:44 PM

Don't 40% of Americans also believe that the world is less than 6,000 years old? I assume these same people are Trump supporters.

5/1/2017 6:09:42 PM

To continue my comment:

Some conservatives are known for often claiming that only they are "real" Americans. Why doesn't THAT elitism cost them elections?

I'm not necessarily saying you are wrong, tulsigabbard, but quite obviously the faults you attribute to the left are also applicable to the right. Why would it backfire only on the left?

5/1/2017 6:12:38 PM

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"It's certainly a grossly uninformed opinion, but trump was just saying IF Jackson were somehow born later and still alive, Trump thinks he would have been able to stop the civil war."

Trump said "He (Jackson) was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War."

Jackson never saw the Civil War. And if he had, this sounds like he was upset that he saw it and not that it was happening.

It's not an uninformed opinion when you give false information as if it were fact. He's either ignorant or a liar, either way not what you want from your President.

5/1/2017 6:17:36 PM

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"If you go by the numbers, you would be incorrect in saying the majority of the nation supports Trump. He lost the popular vote. He was elected by a minority."

Minority of the population. Majority of the nation. Basically, you are saying that I am incorrect because California doesn't support him but you are either cherrypicking or don't understand what the nation is which is also problematic.

She only won 21 states.

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"but quite obviously the faults you attribute to the left are also applicable to the right. Why would it backfire only on the left?"

It didn't. By left and right you really mean establishment left and establishment right. Trump was a wrecking ball for both of those groups.

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"Why doesn't THAT elitism cost them elections? "

It kinda did. This reminds me of the Sarah Palin speech which was pivotal in the nomination process. She spoke exactly on this issue and I remember thinking at that time that he had something really building.

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"“We, you, a diverse, dynamic, needed support base that they would attack. And now, some of them even whispering, they’re ready to throw in for Hillary over Trump because they can’t afford to see the status quo go, otherwise, they won’t be able to be slurping off the gravy train that’s been feeding them all these years. They don’t want that to end. “Well, and then, funny, ha ha, not funny, but now, what they’re doing is wailing, “well, Trump and his, uh, uh, uh, Trumpeters, they’re not conservative enough.” Oh my goodness gracious. What the heck would the establishment know about conservatism? Tell me, is this conservative? ...................... Tell us that we’re not red enough? Yeah, coming from the establishment. Righttttt."

5/1/2017 7:12:51 PM

When I said some conservatives act as if only they are REAL Americans, I was referring to Trump supporters.

I do see what you are saying about anger/resentment directed toward the past establishment, but Trump IS the current establishment now. His supporters are demonstrating their own brand of elitism. Elitism has never been a one way street among these parties, whether it is (Bernie vs Establishment Democrats) vs (Trump vs Establishment Republicans). I see elitism in all four branches.

5/1/2017 7:36:46 PM

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"Your critique of Trump may be correct but it also reflects his supporters (aka the majority of the nation) who support him. In a democracy, criticism of the political official as a person (i'm not just talking about criticising one mistake) is really a criticism of the constituents who support him. "

Oh well. Bernie Sanders had real answers for them and Clinton adopted quite a bit of those in her platform. They would rather be sold snake oil. If I offend them by calling Trump what he is, oh well. I'd rather insult them while working towards making their lives tangibly better than lie to them and watch them die for it.

5/1/2017 7:45:27 PM

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"If Andrew Jackson had been alive he could've prevented the Civil War by getting Captain America & Iron Man to talk through their differences"

5/1/2017 7:50:26 PM

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"Minority of the population. Majority of the nation. Basically, you are saying that I am incorrect because California doesn't support him but you are either cherrypicking or don't understand what the nation is which is also problematic."

Trump got 62% of the vote in Martin County, Florida, which borders Palm Beach County where he only received 41%. His margin of victory was 23,000 votes in Martin, but was behind by 102,000 in Palm Beach. By posting the results-by-county map above are you suggesting that population density means nothing, and the red of Martin is equal to the blue of Palm Beach? His net in those 2 counties was -70,000.

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"She only won 21 states."

Trump won a majority in 23 states, Hillary won a majority in 13 states plus DC.

14 states were not won by a majority. It's safe to assume Utah would have been majority Trump without McMullin on the ballot, but the other 13 were close enough that they could have gone either way if there was a runoff between just Trump and Clinton (why we desperately need ranked balloting).

The fact that Hillary lost Michigan with a higher percent of the vote than she received in New Hampshire where she won is ridiculous and shows how broken the system is.

Before Rubio dropped out, the only primary Trump won with an actual majority was the Mariana Islands. So in only 16 states (plus the Mariana Islands) was Trump preferred by an actual majority of Republicans, and it likely would have been even fewer if Rubio had stuck around longer.

5/1/2017 8:45:39 PM

http://player.theplatform.com/p/7wvmTC/MSNBCEmbeddedOffSite?guid=n_mj_surrealtrump_170502

Dear god I hate trying to share morning joe videos

[Edited on May 2, 2017 at 8:15 AM. Reason : ds]

5/2/2017 8:13:28 AM

Trump is the biggest snowflake there is. He can't even answer questions regarding hi own accusations:
https://www.facebook.com/newblueunited/videos/1549653861722846/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

In reference to the post above, It is time to consider the 25th Amendment.

5/2/2017 8:16:41 AM

Why?

What tangible reason is there? Being a moron and spewing nonsense isnt grounds for removal as far as I can see.

5/2/2017 8:43:22 AM

If he actually has some sort of dimentia it is.

5/2/2017 8:51:24 AM

Regarding E-man/Tulsi's first post on this page, do I agree with the idea that beatsunc or JCE voted for Trump because he was called sexist after "grab em by the pussy" or when he was called a con-man after the Trump-U facts were coming to light? Nah. They were going to vote for him because he was a Republican or because they agree with the wall or the SC seat or they hate the ACA or whatever.

However, I think E-man/Tulsi is right in the sense that, even if Clinton won the presidency, the democrats still are more disconnected with the US people then republicans. There was a poll that was released recently that i didn't see discussed on here that basically said the american people think Democratic's are more out of touch then republicans's or Trump with people's concern.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-100-days-honeymoon-regrets-poll/story?id=46943338

I know polling can be somewhat unreliable but that's cause for concern if you're a democrat. I'd like to say that Trump folks are doubling down on Trump and Conservatives stand up for the party more than liberals and the progressive wing of the Democratic party is justifiably pissed off with the rest of the Democratic party, but that's wishful thinking at best. If Clinton had won, Republicans would still have both House and Senate majorities and she would have faced more obstruction than Obama faced in his last 6 years in office.

I don't know how to end this other than to say the Democratic party needs to change drastically if they want to make a big splash in the 2018 midterms and ultimately remove Trump in 2020.

[Edited on May 2, 2017 at 8:55 AM. Reason : chart image was yuge]

5/2/2017 8:54:43 AM

We need to break up the two party system, is what we need. This will never happen though.

5/2/2017 9:12:19 AM

Anybody have any idea what's the closest we've come to getting away from the 2 party system? I want to say the election of 1860, but there has got to be others.

5/2/2017 9:32:42 AM

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"However, I think E-man/Tulsi is right in the sense that, even if Clinton won the presidency, the democrats still are more disconnected with the US people then republicans"

They are more in tune with saying things people want to hear. Not with what will actually help them. Bernie and even Clinton, despite all her neo-liberal horseshit, both had tangible ideas that would have absolutely helped the middle and lower class (skills training programs, assistance programs, lower cost of education).

The GOP this cycle was basically "woohoo coal is coming back!!!!!!" I'm not sure that is more connected or just better able to manipulate.

** I actually referenced that poll in the Obama thread while (lightly) criticizing him for the Wall Street speeches

[Edited on May 2, 2017 at 9:42 AM. Reason : X]

5/2/2017 9:39:50 AM

I don't care what side of the political spectrum you fall on but this kind of thought process should cause you to second guess things. I'll stress that no one should accept this from any elected official.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-congress-idUSKBN17Y1J0

5/2/2017 11:21:08 AM

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"Here's a reporter using a metaphor with Donald Trump, who is confused and talks about what he literally sees, then pretends to understand."

https://twitter.com/ugarles/status/859400937680588805

5/2/2017 11:32:19 AM

Following the Dickerson interview, Colbert referred to Trump's mouth as a cock holster for Putin.

5/2/2017 12:58:17 PM

I don't think Trump is so stupid that the metaphor went over his head. I just don't think he knew how to answer the question.

5/2/2017 2:04:59 PM

^ he's definitely too stupid to understand. If it was anyone else I'd give them the benefit that maybe they were tired, but I think trump is just an intellectually dumb person.

5/2/2017 5:36:47 PM

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"I don't think Trump is so stupid that the metaphor went over his head. I just don't think he knew how to answer the question."

what was the question?

5/2/2017 7:28:14 PM

What does "But there's nobody out there" even mean in this context? The only clear, correct meaning I can get out of it is that Trump literally went to the trouble to look for someone hiding in the Oval Office and failed to find anyone. Because he knows damn well that his presidency is under media scrutiny.

5/2/2017 7:45:31 PM

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"Oh well. Bernie Sanders had real answers for them and Clinton adopted quite a bit of those in her platform. "

No Bernie sold his messages and Clinton could not sell the message because she was the candidate of the banks. She adopted telling multinational corporations to "cut it out" into her platform. People weren't buying it.

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"They would rather be sold snake oil. If I offend them by calling Trump what he is, oh well. "

I think they would rather take the grab bag than a product they know they don't want. That is a better analogy.

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" I'd rather insult them while working towards making their lives tangibly better than lie to them and watch them die for it."

Elitism=you know more about what is better for them than they do

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"Before Rubio dropped out, the only primary Trump won with an actual majority was the Mariana Islands."

I know its hard for you to grasp the idea of a primary system that doesn't prescribe candidates, but this is what that looks like.

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"I don't know how to end this other than to say the Democratic party needs to change drastically if they want to make a big splash in the 2018 midterms and ultimately remove Trump in 2020."

It probably won't happen until 2021 considering all of the voters and leaders are still blaming comey and russia for all of their problems and voters are still defending obama taking pay to play money.

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"both had tangible ideas that would have absolutely helped the middle and lower class (skills training programs, assistance programs, lower cost of education)."

Where were these ideas in the previous 20 years? Everyone knows that they talked about it but just aren't buying it.


Trump had never been in politics.

5/2/2017 8:04:00 PM

You can't find a worse man-child. This is perverse.

http://time.com/4764256/donald-trump-inauguration-photo-national-park-service/

5/2/2017 11:48:51 PM

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"I know its hard for you to grasp the idea of a primary system that doesn't prescribe candidates, but this is what that looks like. "

And it's even harder for you to understand the difference between a majority and a plurality. Winning 46% of the vote doesn't mean a majority of people like you. It doesn't give you the right to do whatever the hell you want and use the electoral college as a coronation.

5/3/2017 4:19:40 AM

Already out there preemptive tweeting about the Comey hearings over the next couple days. Is he just not smart enough to keep his mouth shut? Or is this a bad attempt to discredit/head off any news he's afraid Comey will report?

5/3/2017 8:55:07 AM

Nah, I just don't think he has any self control.

Though, it wouldn't surprise me if he did fire him at some point.

5/3/2017 9:06:36 AM

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"Pence: "Our president is a believer. He loves his family and he loves his country with an unshakable faith in God and the American people.""

You think Pence is one of those Christians who hurts himself daily for the sins he knowingly committed during the day?

5/4/2017 11:42:51 AM

So we're going through with allowing Churches to be politically active. Awesome.

5/4/2017 3:04:44 PM

i mean they already are and never get in trouble for it, so yeah be angry but also don't be too worried it will change much

5/4/2017 3:08:36 PM

this religious liberty EO is kind of a nothingburger ... if it makes them feel better about themselves great, it's one of the lesser damaging things they could have done

5/5/2017 9:13:58 AM

Yep. Nothing too bad. Apparently he had pressure to make it more sweeping from Pence et al but didn't. Good for him..

5/5/2017 10:49:05 AM

tulsigabbard:

Quote :

"You guys still don't get it. None of you. The arrogance of liberal elitism"

lol

This coming from folks who made into best sellers such books as:

"Deliver Us from Evil: Defeating Terrorism, Despotism, and Liberalism"

and

"How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must)"


Conservative media is >80% arrogant, shit-talking millionaires.


Conservatives aren't getting it half as bad as they're slinging it, and they're fucking crying about it. What a bunch of snowflakes.

[Edited on May 6, 2017 at 12:13 AM. Reason : ]

5/6/2017 12:12:04 AM

Quote :

"Following the Dickerson interview, Colbert referred to Trump's mouth as a cock holster for Putin."

now he (colbert) is in trouble.

5/6/2017 2:27:41 AM

I wish liberals would stop misrepresenting preexisting condition coverage, it creates confusion that allows the right to push false facts.

5/6/2017 9:38:49 AM

^^ no. he isn't. FCC investigates all complaints. If he gets PUNISHED, then get outraged. But he won't.

5/6/2017 11:05:34 AM

LOL Trump is Putin's cock holster. Anyway this going after Colbert shows that rump and his supporters are the real snowflakes.

5/6/2017 11:42:40 AM

There are just too many snowflakes in general, on both sides.

5/6/2017 2:42:52 PM

WHY DOES HE LIE ABOUT GOLFING?

It's your down time. You have the most stressful job on earth. Enjoy it.

Anyone complaining about Obama's golf is a fucking moron. But why lie now? Just admit it. Pictures leak every weekend.

5/6/2017 7:06:42 PM