^ I am in the same boat

I am thrilled I was able to do Scarlet Monastery, much less a 20 man raid instance for lvl 60s

[Edited on September 14, 2005 at 10:31 AM. Reason : 74 fool!]

9/14/2005 10:31:22 AM

yea sucks. when i was doing SM over the summer there were tons of ppl my level doing it all the time. i went back to farm it hte other day with my levl 60 mage friend and there was like NO ONE there. it was crazy. it was like 10pm on a friday night and no one was running SM

9/14/2005 10:43:55 AM

that is really strange, its been packed the two times ive done it.

usually with filthy members of the alliance. they get a face full of orc spit.

9/14/2005 11:22:56 AM

Arathi Basin is by far the best Battleground blizzard has made. The "control the node" gameplay makes it harder for any given guild to steamroll PUGS as they would in WSG because it forces raid's to split into smaller groups and engage in small numbers. I can't tell you how much easier it is to fight opponents when they can't maintain a 1 healer per 3 ratio.

I agree with Shrike in that the Honor Points awarded in AB is less then WSG if you win, and definitely much less if you have a guild farming honor. Good for PUGS and gameplay but not so good for Guilds. I imagine when everyone gets a system down for efficient node capture that this will probably change.

I also like the fact that you get some (minor) honor if you manage to put up a good fight. This is a step in the right direction.

[Edited on September 14, 2005 at 11:27 AM. Reason : .]

9/14/2005 11:25:33 AM

For those of you that have defeated new ZG bosses....

I'm on a low pop server (Dunemaul) and we took our high end guild to ZG last night and accidently skipped all the way to the next to last boss Then, after getting sufficiently assraped about 6 times (just wait til you fight the fucker with the skeleton pit and MC totems) we moved back to the first boss and attempted her before 3 of our priests left

Anyone have strat on how to beat the bat boss? Also, is there somewhere that many of the strats from the test server were posted? We've only reached Geddon in MC so we're on our way in end-game content, but any help would be appreciated.

9/14/2005 12:11:21 PM

Ive never done one of these raid instances. Do you HAVE to have 20 or 40 or is that a maximum number?

9/14/2005 1:16:14 PM

Quote :

"Ive never done one of these raid instances. Do you HAVE to have 20 or 40 or is that a maximum number?"

If your guild is trying these raids for the first time, you will want to have the maximum number of people. However, you aren't forced to take that many. Onyxia is very doable with around 25 well geared, experienced players. My guild has cleared up to Domo with 32.

9/14/2005 2:08:51 PM

for that dungeon 20 is max

9/14/2005 2:09:16 PM

^^^^ If your high end guild can't kill the first bat boss that is pretty sad. Have MT tank boss outside of AoE silence range. Have OT pull bat waves to another area and AoE them down. Burn boss down to 50% and bats stop coming. Then it is pretty easy from there.

Quote :

"Arathi Basin is by far the best Battleground blizzard has made. The "control the node" gameplay makes it harder for any given guild to steamroll PUGS as they would in WSG because it forces raid's to split into smaller groups and engage in small numbers. I can't tell you how much easier it is to fight opponents when they can't maintain a 1 healer per 3 ratio."

Actually Arathi Basin is similar to WSG in the fact that a PUG has no chance against an organized 20 man guild raid. If anyone else played on the test server you can confirm this. I played a few rounds with Immortality and our games lasted typically between 3-5 minutes. All you do is capture all 5 nodes at the start and then graveyard camp. If anything it is even worse than WSG in how fast a guild can dominate the match.

[Edited on September 14, 2005 at 4:09 PM. Reason : .]

9/14/2005 4:04:41 PM

Anyone use cosmos and after the patch your keyboard stoped working? because it sure fucking did for me. Its some problem with earth and after downlading the new version it is still fucking up...

9/14/2005 4:32:14 PM

^^Graveyard campig is for pussies.

9/14/2005 4:35:17 PM

DukeZarradyn

are you horde or alliance on Dunemaul? I'm on dunemaul as well, 60 human mage named Icetrain in the guild Resolution. I know people on both sides, in BBC and Onibatsu on the horde side and in KG, Tallest, Shinigami and many more on the alliance side. I can tell you who to talk to about strategies and what not. We had 2 groups get through the first 4 bosses in ZG last night before it got too late and we called it. We also just got Razorgore for the first time the other night. Was a good time. http://www.resolution-guild.org

9/14/2005 6:58:19 PM

anyone on mal'ganis horde for SM tonight send a tell to 'Nerual'

9/14/2005 7:04:38 PM

zooming right thru ZG...its a fun instance

9/14/2005 10:29:54 PM

high priest thekal...HOLY SHIT

9/14/2005 10:39:45 PM

Welp, we've killed all the bosses cept' Hakkar (the fucking Panther boss is a bitch). Zul'Gurub is definitly the most beautiful and well thought out instance Blizzard has made. We couldn't kill Hakkar but we did figure out the "gimmick" to beating him so we'll most likely have him down tommorow, just everyone was tired and started leaving tonight. I can tell you right now that no pug group is ever going to get past the 5th boss (tiger dude), and will be incredibly lucky to even get that far. This is NOT an easy instance for casual players like some people may have thought, only well equiped raiding guilds will ever be able to consistently clear it for a long while, until all the strats are well known. It's also the most fun I've had in WoW in probably 4 months (when I first entered Molten Core) , gg blizz for giving us all a reason to keep playing.

[Edited on September 15, 2005 at 1:22 AM. Reason : :]

9/15/2005 1:20:47 AM

HAHAH icetrain, I know you....I'm actually horde.

I'm Mekrith, the 60 Undead Warlock in Hounds of Rexxar. I've seen you around in AV and such. =)

I'll have to remember next time i see you to poke at you =) Also, we went back tonight with some new ideas and took out quite a few of the bosses with little to no trouble and had to stop only because we lost 6 crucial members including myself (who was leading much of the raid discussion). And Jesus, the Hexxar is rough.....

9/15/2005 1:58:44 AM

haha. hounds of rexxar huh? you guys are on our KoS list due to repeated gankings

I'll make sure to wave next time before i start kicking your ass.

All in good fun, see you in game sometime.

Oh and if you ever need MC strategies let me know man. We've had everyone, including Rag, on farm status for a while now.

[Edited on September 15, 2005 at 8:04 AM. Reason : +]

9/15/2005 8:02:43 AM

Quote :

"are you horde or alliance on Dunemaul? I'm on dunemaul as well, 60 human mage named Icetrain in the guild Resolution. I know people on both sides, in BBC and Onibatsu on the horde side and in KG, Tallest, Shinigami and many more on the alliance side. I can tell you who to talk to about strategies and what not. We had 2 groups get through the first 4 bosses in ZG last night before it got too late and we called it. We also just got Razorgore for the first time the other night. Was a good time. http://www.resolution-guild.org"

I'm on dune maul as well. 60 NE Rogue Lotsa in a the guild Trouble. Transferred from Tichondrius.

We did a short run through ZG last night, downed the bat and snake bosses.

AB is a ton of fun but the horde on our server have a habit of AFKing out like crazy whenever certain Alliance join (not to say the alliance doesn't do this too). 5 minute AB wins are pretty good for cp and rep but not much fun.

I do BGs with some of the people from your guild sometimes. Grade, Cinder, Vash, etc. I know a bunch of them of have been on our vent at one time or another.

[Edited on September 15, 2005 at 9:45 AM. Reason : .]

9/15/2005 9:20:09 AM

Who from HoR made us KOS? I know I'm not one of the "repeat gankers"...hell, unless the person is 55+ I won't even bother with them. We have some pretty level-headed guild members so I don't see how we could be KOS....granted all KG, Reso, DoH, Touble, and Shinigami are KOS to us due to each guild housing exploiters (yes, they all do, no matter how much it's denied).

9/15/2005 9:51:45 AM

Who exploits from Trouble? I'm one of the higher ups in the guild and we try our best to keep ourselves clean of that. I think all guilds have their bad eggs though.

9/15/2005 9:53:25 AM

Well, Trouble has recently adopted Negativo, who has a longstanding poor reputation with our guild. In fact he comes on our forums simply to start shit which is annoying. I want to say there's someone else in Trouble that's a "bad egg" but I can't remember atm....it's difficult enough remember horde people, much less alliance ones whom you can't /who.

9/15/2005 11:05:54 AM

WoW guild shittalking

jesus chirst dude has no dick

9/15/2005 12:54:01 PM

No disrespect to just HoR, all horde are KoS to me.

a couple of your guys have made a bad impression on questers in my guild by repeated 5v1 kills in EPL, WPL, winterspring, felwood and other places.

As for Trouble, not a big fan of a few people in your guild either. I've had a few people be pretty rude, although as a whole I've had pretty good experiences with your guild. I would also like to clarify that Reso does not condone "cheating" in AV and that many of our PvP guys spend alot of time reading strategies and tactics and the only "cheating" we might do is finding out from people we know on the horde side what some of the weak points of particular players are by talking to people they've actually dueled many times.

9/15/2005 1:28:50 PM

I'm kill on sight everywhere...

The problem is killing me.

<3

9/15/2005 1:36:46 PM

yeah really

complaining that you get jumped on a PvP server is lame.

9/15/2005 1:57:54 PM

Maybe they shouldn't quest alone....it would be similar to me complaning about getting jumped walking around Palestinian streets, it's just something you should expect.

9/15/2005 2:00:46 PM

Went to Zul'Gurub on patch day. The loot wasn't that impressive, rather stick to Onyxia, MC and BWL that have tier2 sets. Oh, btw, the defense nerf sucks

9/15/2005 2:07:01 PM

yeah, defense got pwnt bigtime.

9/15/2005 3:06:45 PM

WHY THE HELL DO ALLIANCE KEEP GANKING ME IN BATTLEGROUNDS

CUT THAT SHIT OUT.

9/15/2005 3:42:17 PM

the battlegrounds is for ganking.

that's what it's there for.

9/15/2005 3:43:59 PM

Oh Really?

9/15/2005 3:58:49 PM

Arathi Basin is fun, but the rep gain is so slow - which makes it suck. It takes about 41-45 wins in AV for humans to get Exalted. AB is on the same reputation scale but rep gain is so slow, winning is only 50 rep points (from turn-in) and kills are 10.

9/15/2005 4:08:39 PM

i get waxed by Horde guild groups in battlegrounds all the time, but i don't complain. i get frustrated, yeah, but i actually am kinda amused by the Alliance whining when they see a few ppl with Ascent tags on. that's what i get for being on a carebear PvE server.

9/15/2005 4:09:35 PM

ATTN SERVERS WTF

9/15/2005 11:31:27 PM

^ Can't logon either?

9/15/2005 11:37:34 PM

I'm locked out too =/ Ah well, no MC for me tonight I suppose.

Also, Icetrain, isn't some of Invid's crew in Reso? They're proven cheaters (ie the going through the gate in WSG hack and the pick up the flag w/o clicking hack and the in-and-out of base with flag w/o being seen hack). I could have sworn one of those big mages was Reso...I know Amella is Shinigami, but she's a bitch anyhow.

9/15/2005 11:43:46 PM

i had trouble logging in for a little while, just had to let it sit at handshaking and authenticating.

9/15/2005 11:57:05 PM

Quote :

"Also, Icetrain, isn't some of Invid's crew in Reso?"

As far as I know, Invidious was bought by Deception. Invidious is playing on some other server I guess. Some reso and some trouble run with Deception's crew that now includes Invidious...whoever is playing him. I run with them sometimes...I've never seen anyone in that group cheat but I've heard the same rumors.

Their groups are great for cp grinding but are boring as hell. Horde basically afk the instant they see either of those names.

9/16/2005 3:23:40 AM

Quote :

"Went to Zul'Gurub on patch day. The loot wasn't that impressive, rather stick to Onyxia, MC and BWL that have tier2 sets. Oh, btw, the defense nerf sucks "

Dunno about melee, but there is some amazing stuff for casters:

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19950
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19893
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19897

9/16/2005 10:22:11 AM

There is a nasty, nasty 2hander called Something, Destroyer of Worlds...can't seem to find the link to it right now, but it's like 295 max damage, 3.8 speed, +72 atk pwr, and 28 sta.


Found it: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19854

[Edited on September 16, 2005 at 11:00 AM. Reason : Found link]

9/16/2005 10:57:28 AM

http://www.twelveprophets.com/

Horde guild on my server. Three of their guys have legendary weapons now

9/16/2005 11:00:58 AM

Are there any [red] items?

9/16/2005 11:06:26 AM

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19903
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=462
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19895 < got these off the bloodlord for my mage btw
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19923 /drool
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19927
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19890
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19885
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=19886

i could go on all day with this stuff.

9/16/2005 11:09:29 AM

hopefully gonna give ZG a serious run this weekend, we were the first horde group to run it tuesday on my server so needless to say we had no help on strats. Mainly just an exploritory run than anything else.

9/16/2005 1:20:46 PM

0 Rolled on mal'ganis.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

9/16/2005 1:33:06 PM

man i wish i had time to reroll. but i dont. maybe when free transfers come in i can transfer and rejoin the waagh. im still on stormreaver. my char should hit 45 tonight but its still my first/main. i had severalll months after waagh split where i couldnt play but ive recently started playing heavy on the weekends again

9/16/2005 1:34:48 PM

Nah thats cool. I know Stimwalt and SoundBoy4 have too much invested in their Chars to start over too. People who have time to kill or ar bored just rolled new chars so we could have some fun till full blown transfers were allowed.

Its clown shoes running lowbies through instances and DoT killing lvl 20 elites with a 60 walk.

9/16/2005 1:45:54 PM

haha

9/16/2005 1:46:48 PM

so my first time all the way through uldaman BOTH of these dropped and i was the only warrior!

http://thottbot.com/?i=3828
Stoneslayer
Binds when picked up
Two-Hand Sword
133 - 200 Damage Speed 3.90
(42.7 damage per second)
Durability 100 / 100
Requires Level 44
Chance on hit: Increases damage by 10 for 8 sec.
Sells for 3 Gold 28 Silver 51 Copper to vendors
Item Level 49

http://thottbot.com/?i=5237
Grimlok's Charge
Binds when picked up
Two-Hand Polearm
88 - 133 Damage Speed 2.70
(40.9 damage per second)
+10 Strength
+15 Agility
+15 Stamina
Durability 100 / 100
Requires Level 42
Sells for 2 Gold 82 Silver 18 Copper to vendors
Item Level 47

i enchanted both with +5 dmg.

i am/was currently using the whirlwind axe with +5 dmg. im DEF going to be messing around with those drops now tho. that sword is going to be killer because in a few hours i will be 45 and get my mortal strike! and that sword's base dmg max is 50 higher than my whirlwind. its going to be GREAT for pvp.

the chance of BOTH of them dropping for me is pretty insane

9/17/2005 1:20:02 AM