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"did we hear anything else about their football players working out with recruits recently or whatever?"

just that the PP guy who initially claimed it was a violation later came back and said it wasn't

6/11/2015 12:20:10 PM

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"Yeah, as someone who holds a degree from UNC, I'm not a big fan of the threat of losing accreditation. Limit it to sports and those who actually engaged in fraud for discounting degrees."

It's not like you get to pick and choose. SACS is like the NCAA for academia. You have to meet certain rules to get accreditation, and in Carolina's case, SACS has to accredit them in order for them to qualify for federal financial aid for students. Athletics being the reason why is irrelevant to the fact North Carolina has performed academic fraud for 20 years from the academics-only viewpoint of SACS.

[Edited on June 11, 2015 at 12:25 PM. Reason : /]

6/11/2015 12:24:01 PM

Oh I definitely understand that. Just doesn't give me any pleasure. Although I wonder if I could argue I shouldn't have to pay back my outstanding $60k in student loans for my law degree...

6/11/2015 12:26:36 PM

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"I mean, what else could there be?"

Fines, periodic or surprise audits, more years. I'm sure there are some other options that would make life difficult short of full nuclear

6/11/2015 12:27:11 PM

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"Yeah, as someone who holds a degree from UNC, I'm not a big fan of the threat of losing accreditation. Limit it to sports and those who actually engaged in fraud for discounting degrees."

but it extends to academic administration, and that's all SACS cares about

6/11/2015 12:36:43 PM

SACS are ultimately not there to rock the boat. Like the NCAA, the membership are the universities under the premise of "self-regulation".

Look at this as strike two. The first strike was the initial investigation and I doubt SACS expected anything more to occur after that. The Wainstein Report forced them to do this business again, and they had to be more harsh than before. So if there is no smoking gun or pile of evidence waiting to be found out there, Carolina's probationary period will likely expire. If Carolina took actions to hide information or something else real bad comes out...ta da, they'll be forced to act again.

6/11/2015 12:42:21 PM

So what is within the power of SACS? Can they retroactively pull accreditation? Can they pull it going forward only? I'm not too worried about my degree, but I really don't know the extent of their capabilities.

6/11/2015 12:44:38 PM

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"So what is within the power of SACS?"

from what i read (on twitter - so take it with a grain of salt) SACS 3 options were basically: 1) do nothing. 2) probationary period. 3) pull accreditation.

although common sense tells me that there's a lot of leeway in the 2nd option - 1 year of probation vs multiple years, more frequent/scheduled audits, fines, force UNC to institute some kind of compliance department or something along those lines.

6/11/2015 12:49:06 PM

they can't really "pull" anything. they just rescind their recognition of a program/university. it's up to whoever is hiring or whatever to determine if they accept a degree from UNC as legitimate.

regional accreditation like SACS is what makes a university for real, or like a University of Phoenix type of thing. regional accreditation is basically more valuable than national in that regard.

6/11/2015 12:50:45 PM

lol

6/11/2015 1:00:01 PM

^ is that real?

[insert dozens of crying laughter emojis here]

6/11/2015 1:03:27 PM

I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but can't sacs just yank the accreditation of that shitty dept alone, shouldn't really affect the university or the unc degree as a whole

6/11/2015 1:09:52 PM

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"Yeah, kinda hard to believe there isn't anything between 1 year probation and university burns down because it loses accreditation and can't operate."

thought the same

6/11/2015 1:25:47 PM

i guess the triangle business journal isn't on twitter. because how can you honor someone that schizo?

6/11/2015 1:49:24 PM

or maybe they are and that's why they chose that photo

6/11/2015 1:58:50 PM

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"I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but can't sacs just yank the accreditation of that shitty dept alone, shouldn't really affect the university or the unc degree as a whole"

That's what I wondered way earlier in this deal, but apparently the accreditation is university-wide.

(unless it's a special college, for example law schools are accredited by the American Bar Association - where I live now has Indiana Tech which has been trying to get a law school going, and in the past week the ABA chose not to accredit them again)

I do think that's the appropriate answer for this though is accreditation would get pulled from the African-American Studies Department for systemic long-term academic fraud.

(Edit: who wears a bow tie with jeans?)

[Edited on June 11, 2015 at 2:15 PM. Reason : /]

6/11/2015 2:10:24 PM

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"Yeah, as someone who holds a degree from UNC, I'm not a big fan of the threat of losing accreditation. Limit it to sports and those who actually engaged in fraud for discounting degrees."

You should really be calling UNC and voicing your concern about your devalued degree. Maybe if enough people called pissed off and stopped giving money it might change things. I mean, I do it every chance I can, but it really must suck for people who graduated legitimately from UNC to constantly get laughed at when they say the graduated from there and people saying their degree is worthless.

6/11/2015 2:38:01 PM

Is he holding a Doc McStuffins doll in that picture?? If so, I'm confused.

6/11/2015 2:43:54 PM

hahahaha what a fucking goober

6/11/2015 2:46:07 PM

Tidbits from a email Chancellor Folt sent out today

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"Let me use this opportunity to underscore again that the University remains accredited. The Commission’s decision to impose a period of probation will have no impact on federal funding, including financial aid available to students and research grants awarded to faculty."

to me this sounds like she's saying no biggie we aren't losing money so F U SACS

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"The SACSCOC Board of Trustees convened this week for their biannual meeting. The Commission’s Vice President, Dr. Cheryl Cardell, called today to share the Board’s decision that, in light of the self-reported irregularities of the past, a 12-month period of probation would be imposed. The Commission’s decision is the next step—an expected consequence—in Carolina’s tireless efforts to ensure integrity in everything we do and that the past irregularities are not allowed to recur."

i'm not sure i would call what happened self-reported more like pulled into the light dragging and screaming

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"In today’s call, the Commission took care to acknowledge the University’s adoption and implementation of the many and significant reform measures in recent years. These efforts have indeed been extraordinary and are documented in detail in Carolina’s January submission to SACSCOC"

look at how much we've done! the carolina way remains (at least in their eyes)

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"As the University recognized in its January submission to SACSCOC, all great institutions encounter challenges at one time or another. Recent years prove that Carolina is no exception. The important question is how the University has responded and will continue to respond. As your Chancellor, I can assure you that the University’s response—including by every member of my leadership team—has been defined by our unrelenting commitment to get it right and to act with complete integrity."

I don't recall a lot of other "great" universities being looked overy by SACS or getting a year of probation but whatever.

[Edited on June 11, 2015 at 3:13 PM. Reason : Holt, Folt who gives a sh*t]

6/11/2015 3:05:44 PM

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"irregularities"

euphemism of the day for "deliberately orchestrated system of fraud"

6/11/2015 3:09:54 PM

LOL joey powell

nba jam big head cheat code IRL

6/11/2015 8:11:08 PM

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"i'm not sure i would call what happened self-reported more like pulled into the light dragging and screaming"

hahaha, no joke - SACS even mentioned they were pissed that UNC lied to them the fucking first time necessitating the second visit. How can you claim you self-reported something when the organization charged with investigating you is pissed you lied to them and hid things? lol

6/11/2015 8:28:27 PM

It's about saying it enough that it becomes the narrative.

6/12/2015 9:52:24 AM

I'm a billionaire with washboard abs and a 10 inch cock!

6/12/2015 10:00:04 AM

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"LOL joey powell nba jam big head cheat code IRL"

L O fucking L



[Edited on June 12, 2015 at 10:07 AM. Reason : .]

6/12/2015 10:05:23 AM

hah - i just found out my first real girlfriend from HS is being honored there today, as well. she has neither a large head nor a bitch-ass twitter feed, thou.

6/12/2015 10:32:15 AM

[joecarolinafan]

jaZon is a billionaire with washboard abs and a 10 inch cock!

[/joecarolinafan]

6/12/2015 3:11:19 PM

IT BEGINS!

You know, the problem with being filthy rich with a hard body and giant schlong is it's hard to tell which bit the chicks are most attracted to.

Regardless, all detractors are just jealous and wish they were in the same position. I am a model citizen and have gotten to where I am through nothing but honest hard work!

[Edited on June 12, 2015 at 3:31 PM. Reason : ]

6/12/2015 3:30:37 PM

So nothing really to see until August?

6/12/2015 9:12:10 PM

other than whatever else they're caught doing and whatever they spend millions in PR to try to spin... nope

[Edited on June 12, 2015 at 9:14 PM. Reason : ]

6/12/2015 9:13:37 PM

Crazy to think that UNC paid hush money to keep chester the molester as their women's soccer coach and now they are going to have to turn over those trophies for fucking swahili classes. Talk about a case of lousy luck.

6/12/2015 9:28:46 PM

I saw where they fired their wrestling coach for something unrelated. Something about his son being accused of sexual assault I think?

6/13/2015 8:50:20 AM

Well he also started a blog about the case that seemed to downplay rape. You know, the carolina way.

6/13/2015 3:25:10 PM

^ good lord

6/13/2015 3:27:19 PM

.

[Edited on June 13, 2015 at 4:58 PM. Reason : .]

6/13/2015 4:57:42 PM

is this a srsly?

6/13/2015 6:48:42 PM

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"He started a blog to share his frustration with the handling of sexual assault cases on college campuses. Guilt or innocence is left up to the university, not the criminal justice system, he complains. The blog also names the alleged victim in his son's case and includes graphic details of the sexual encounter involving her. "The idea that a woman who is intoxicated has no control is ridiculous," one post states. "Hate to break it to you feminists out there, but the whole idea on college campus today is to drink alcohol in social environments to reduce inhibitions." "

6/14/2015 3:20:42 PM

Win 15 national championships at that cesspool and you are immune Joe pa style

6/15/2015 2:23:58 AM

6/15/2015 3:29:32 PM

I still can't believe how the UNC homers here at my office brush this off. They think it'll be nothing, barely a slap on the wrist. What I don't get is they don't even seem concerned about the academic reputation of the school.

Then again, none of them actually WENT to UNC.

6/16/2015 3:57:37 PM

First player is leaving from basketball. WBB though:

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2015/06/allisha-gray-to-transfer-from-north-carolina

6/16/2015 6:40:26 PM

pretty sure they had another highly regarded player announce last month that she was transferring, but she wasn't the leading scorer like the one that just announced she might leave

6/16/2015 10:17:10 PM

Kane: Findings provide clues to UNC's fate

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article24027001.html

6/17/2015 12:10:01 PM

what worries me about that article is that there are potential areas for the NCAA to go lightly on UNC based on lack of data

6/17/2015 1:08:16 PM

what worries me about that article is that there are potential areas for the NCAA to go lightly on UNC based on lack of data integrity

6/17/2015 1:52:49 PM

what worries me about that article is that there are potential areas for the UNC male students to have sex with other UNC male students

6/17/2015 2:21:16 PM

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article24893245.html

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"In UNC documents, redactions shield innocuous information BY DAN KANE dkane@newsobserver.com Redactions were to be expected when UNC-Chapel Hill made public the 730 pages of exhibits the NCAA’s enforcement division used to build its notice of allegations against the university. But some of them shield information that wouldn’t appear to run afoul of state and federal privacy laws. Take, for instance, an email between Janet Huffstetler, the longtime men’s basketball tutor, and Jennifer Townsend, who became the academic counselor for the team in 2009. Huffstetler appears to be missing the days when Dean Smith was coach. She makes reference to changes that took place when Roy Williams took over in 2003, replacing academic counselor Burgess McSwain with Wayne Walden, who followed Williams from Kansas. “Jenn, for many years, (redacted) was very separate from the Academic Center. Burgess McSwain whom I’m sure you have heard of, kept it that way because Coach Smith wanted it that way. He wanted the (redacted) boys to remain separate and not get lumped in the ‘athlete label’ that I’m sure you have witnessed, often works against them. After Burgess got sick, Coach Williams came, Wayne came, they put (redacted) in the middle of the Academic Center…” It’s a pretty safe bet the redacted words here are “basketball” or “BB” or “MBB.” It’s difficult to see how their removal satisfies a privacy concern. Smith and his successor, former longtime assistant coach Bill Guthridge, kept the academic support for his team separate from the Academic Support Program for Student-Athletes. That meant McSwain, a close friend of Deborah Crowder, the former African studies department manager and architect of the fake classes, had academic oversight for men’s basketball. Former Coach Matt Doherty, who ran the team from 2000 to 2003, told investigators last year that Smith and Guthridge wanted him to keep it that way. “As a result, the McSwain-Crowder pipeline continued to operate, and there were 42 enrollments of men’s basketball players in paper classes during Doherty’s tenure,” said an investigative report from former federal prosecutor Kenneth Wainstein. Wainstein had included the same email in his supplemental material, and it has the same redactions. UNC has also redacted dates and course numbers from numerous emails the NCAA has cited in its case. One email, for example, shows that former football academic counselor Cynthia Reynolds asked Crowder if an athlete is running up against the limit of 12 credit hours of independent studies. It was not among the documents released in Wainstein’s investigation. “Do all these count towards the 12 hours?” Reynolds asked. “Can you eyeball it also to double check the total?” It would be important to know if that email was sent prior to the 2006-07 academic year, when UNC officials clarified that independent studies were not the correspondence courses being offered out of the Friday Center and were subject to a 12-credit-hour limit for special studies. The university, in a letter to the commission that accredits UNC, said earlier this year that 2006-07 academic year was when the limit was first established for independent studies, and the NCAA’s notice of allegations appears to be accepting UNC’s position. Wainstein found that Crowder and others at UNC had interpreted the university’s longstanding policy on “special studies” pertained to independent studies. Crowder began disguising her paper classes as lecture courses in 1999 so students didn’t run into that limit, Wainstein said. Many of those who exceeded it were athletes. The N&O requested that UNC reconsider the redactions in the NCAA exhibits. UNC spokesman Rick White said the university wouldn’t. “The redactions were done in accordance with federal and state law,” White said in an emailed response. The NCAA’s notice also references roughly 30 interviews it conducted with former and current UNC employees involved in the case. UNC has access to transcripts of those interviews to help it prepare a response, and its attorney typically sits in on them and asks questions. UNC has described the case as a joint investigation between UNC and the NCAA. But White said UNC could not release those transcripts. “The University does not have custody of the materials you mentioned,” White said. “Counsel representing the University only has access to view those materials on a secure NCAA website.” Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article24893245.html#storylink=cpy"

GO GET EM DAN!

[Edited on June 19, 2015 at 12:26 PM. Reason : .]

6/19/2015 12:26:05 PM

GUYS

Despite the fact that it's obvious from the context, Dan Kane is lying attention whoring axe grinder!!!!!!1111111ONEONE

[Edited on June 19, 2015 at 2:10 PM. Reason : ]

6/19/2015 2:09:51 PM

just noticed and wanted to point out that apparently this is a thing, and i find it hilarious that they have a dedicated section for all this nonsense: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/

6/19/2015 2:11:44 PM