hahah i know that but 26fps is what theaters do so.... whats the point in being able to handle 120
human i can only do like 30 i think

7/14/2008 11:33:37 AM

Quote :

"I have an older home and would much rather be putting 35lbs on the wall than 75lbs"

If a couple of studs can't hold up 75lbs. I would not live in that house. I mean maybe the lighter weight TV would look better hanging on the wall if it's also got a noticeably smaller housing, but I wouldn't let the weight of a TV that's already designed to mount on the wall have any impact on which one to buy.

^ have you ever seen a side-by-side comparison? there is a very noticeable difference. and this is why:

Quote :

"The combination of content production, playback-device, and display device processing may also give artifacts that are unnecessary. A display device producing a fixed 60frame/s rate cannot display a 24frame/s movie at an even, Judder-free rate. Usually, a 3:2 pulldown Judder#3:2_pulldown is used, giving a slight uneven movement. While common multisync CRT computer monitors have been capable of running at even multiples of 24 Hz since the early '90s, recent "120Hz" LCD displays have been produced for the purpose of having smoother, more fluid motion. As 120 is an even mutiple of 24, it is possible to present a 24frame/s sequence without Judder on a well-designed 120 Hz display. If the 120 Hz rate is produced by frame-doubling a 60frame/s 3:2 pulldown signal, the uneven motion could still be visible."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refresh_rate

[Edited on July 14, 2008 at 11:42 AM. Reason : ^]

7/14/2008 11:37:14 AM

think before you assume.

it's not a wood stud wall, it's brick masonry wall, and i'm sure it'll support the TV, but i'm not sure yet if i want to put the masonry anchors in the wall yet, so if it goes on the mantle in the mean time the lighter the better

i realize i wasn't exactly clear on this.

[Edited on July 14, 2008 at 11:51 AM. Reason : .]

7/14/2008 11:49:41 AM

^^ what about tvs that advertise 1080p/24?

do those do "judder-free" playback?

7/14/2008 11:53:22 AM

^^ sorry, i just figured that an interior wall in most residential houses would be wood framed. but yeah i would be hesitant to mount it on a masonry wall for the simple fact that those holes are a bit more permanent than what you could cover up on sheet rock.

^ from my understanding a 1080p/24 can accept signals directly from the source at 24fps so it doesn't have to do any extra processing. but you'd have to have a source (newer blu-ray players) that will send the signal at 24fps instead of 60. i'm not sure how 1080p/24 compares (if at all) to 120hz. my main point was that 120hz is freakin' sweet.

7/14/2008 12:27:32 PM

Panasonic Viera TH-42PZ800U 42-Inch 1080p

thoughts?

7/14/2008 10:48:41 PM

^

Sweet.

7/14/2008 11:04:30 PM

^^
that was the plasma i was comparing to lcd (it was that panasonic plasma vs. the samsung), v. nice

[Edited on July 14, 2008 at 11:45 PM. Reason : .]

7/14/2008 11:45:18 PM

I have my 50" on 2 studs with 4 bolts.


it's sturdy.


I had three guys below it while i tried to pull it off the wall a little. didnt budge.

7/15/2008 3:24:55 PM

yeah, i liked the specs of the panasonics... my parents neighbors have an older panasonic and it looks great. I just have a tough time in stores comparing them ebcause they either all look great, or all look like shit... its a fucking pain in the ass.

Are there any online vendors to stay away from? there's some good prices at some places.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=TH-42PZ800U&cid=4301809368373099211&scoring=p

7/15/2008 5:19:57 PM

Quote :

"Are there any online vendors to stay away from? there's some good prices at some places."

http://www.resellerratings.com

7/15/2008 6:13:52 PM

preesh yo...

probably going to buy in 6-8 weeks or so.

7/16/2008 5:24:09 PM

Anyone heard anything about this one?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8828708&st=KDL-40S4100&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1207957070478

7/19/2008 11:17:36 AM

^the 4100 series is pretty solid and has gotten pretty solid reviews from what Ive seen


check out http://www.cnet.com. They do a pretty thorough review of a bunch of HDTVs

7/19/2008 9:19:06 PM

Quote :

"Panasonic Viera TH-42PZ800U 42-Inch 1080p"

I came really close to buying this today.

Sears had it where if you bought it with a Wii, there was a $400 rebate, making the total for both $1349.

I already have a Wii, and they're still scarce enough that I could sell it at retail price, making it $1149.

but, i had just dropped $2500 on a fridge, and couldn't justify spending another grand.

7/19/2008 9:54:05 PM

^

That's a steal.

Sears tends to have good deals on panasonic plasmas. I'm still to cheap to actually buy one.

7/20/2008 10:34:19 AM

There was a deal at best buy that had a TV+xbox 360 for basically the cost of the TV.. sounds like Sears was copying that

but yea, nice deal..

7/20/2008 11:56:42 AM

Was that a one day deal at Sears?


Question to the group. I have a smallish den where I plan on putting my next TV. I'd say the room is 12x15. Would a 46 be overkill in here, or, more than enough? The viewing distance will be about 15 from the longest point and about 10 from the other seating spots.

Really liking that Viera.

[Edited on July 20, 2008 at 12:47 PM. Reason : a]

7/20/2008 12:33:05 PM

46 will be big, but I don't think it will be overkill.

I used to have a 46" LCD in my living room and viewed it from about the same distances you mentioned (10-15 ft) and maybe a little further away. It was just fine, looked great, and wasn't overpowering. One thing I did notice was that the non-HD channels, although they looked pretty bad from any distance, looked worse the closer you get.

I have since replaced the 46" LCD with a 51" Pioneer Elite Plasma and still it isn't bad from a viewing distance perspective. However, your den is a bit smaller than my den/dining combo so it might feel a little different.

In fact, I think you could even go bigger if you wanted to; we've got a 52" Samsung LCD in the bedroom, again viewed from about 15-18 feet and it's just fine too. We were afraid it would be too big, but once we got it hung up on the wall and got used to the enormous physical size of the TV we have been extremely happy with it.

7/20/2008 1:05:36 PM

lol that's awesome

[Edited on July 20, 2008 at 1:19 PM. Reason : the huge tv in the bedroom that is]

7/20/2008 1:19:42 PM

^^^
46" won't really be overkill for that room, pretty much just the right size I'd think.

Now if you want to talk overkill, I have 56" DLP which is viewed from 9 feet away. Definitely way to much for the area that it is in. When I originally bought it I was living in an apartment in SC and was viewing from 15-20ft away which worked out pretty good. But when I moved down to Atlanta I ended up buying a condo which is a lot smaller than my apartment was. If/when I sell this tv I would look for something in the low 40's to replace it.

7/20/2008 3:36:31 PM

Is 50" 9 feet away overkill?

7/20/2008 3:45:21 PM

no

7/21/2008 8:06:34 AM

Does someone have that chart the compares view distance/resolution/height by THX standards?

7/21/2008 9:03:49 AM

the THX chart:
http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/

from samsung 1080p LCD's


see also:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14231698

[Edited on July 21, 2008 at 1:03 PM. Reason : .]

7/21/2008 12:58:17 PM

Quote :

"Was that a one day deal at Sears?"

i think it was a weeklong one, but it ended on saturday.

i'm sure there will be more similar or even better deals as the economy continues to fall down the shitter.

7/21/2008 2:13:55 PM

nm

[Edited on July 22, 2008 at 2:06 PM. Reason : a]

7/22/2008 1:59:15 PM

JFC, that damn cheap? FUUUUCCKKK...

I'm looking at buying it from crutchfield online right now... like 1650 i think, plus i get triple points with my credit card if i buy through them... cheapest price i saw. I'll have to watch sears, though.

fuck fuck fuck... i was going to go online and buy this week, but if sears has em on the cheap.....

7/27/2008 5:06:38 PM

actually... Bobby, you probably saw the -42PZ80U im looking at the -42PZ800U

so maybe i will buy tonight, get it before the olympics.

the time-warner HD-DVRs... they have HDMI right? just want to make sure i get all the right cables and shit...

Recommendations on the accessories that you absolutely should not go without would be appreciated.


[Edited on July 27, 2008 at 5:36 PM. Reason : so, apprantly crutchfield jacked their prices up like 600 bucks over past few days. ]

7/27/2008 5:13:52 PM

I bought the TH-46PZ800U today from https://clevelandplasma.com/ for $2075, shipped.

woot. I'll update when i get it.

7/28/2008 5:24:56 PM

Why is the 800 so much more than the 80?

7/28/2008 5:39:40 PM

because it's ten times better.

specifically, the 24p cinematic playback, more shades of gradation, another HDMI input. and THX certification.

http://tinyurl.com/6cev74

Oh, and between the 850u/800u, the 850u lacks the THX mode, but has more color tweaking settings. Stuff i didnt really want to hassle with (and probably why he sells it for 100 less).

[Edited on July 28, 2008 at 7:27 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2008 7:09:43 PM

getting my Samsung A550 52 in delivered tomorrow....


cant wait




Also if anybody is looking for wall mounts for their HDTV then check out http://www.monoprice.com Great prices for a solid product compared to BB and CC

7/28/2008 7:27:52 PM

^^

Ten times better lol. Good one

7/28/2008 7:41:33 PM

^^i get my Samsung 40" A650 delivered tomorrow (wasn't home today)

can't wait!

7/28/2008 7:53:20 PM

Quote :

"http://tinyurl.com/6cev74"

Is it really worth almost 50% more for a few bells an whistles?

[Edited on July 28, 2008 at 8:16 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2008 8:15:39 PM

i didnt spend almost 50% more.

for me i hate jittery motion, and wanted the 24p.

[Edited on July 28, 2008 at 9:04 PM. Reason : it's personal preference]

[Edited on July 28, 2008 at 9:04 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2008 9:03:38 PM

Quote :

"^^i get my Samsung 40" A650 delivered tomorrow (wasn't home today) can't wait! "

I have the same TV and it is excellent. I wanted the 750 because I swear it looks better, but this one actually surpassed my expectations. The only problem i've had so far is that when hooked up to my computer, by default, it only chooses 1080i resolution, and I had to download a program to force it to 1080p resolution. I also had to update the firmware to correct the white balance (it was slightly off and I looked online, and the firmware update fixed it-- I couldn't notice this though unless it was hooked up to my computer).

7/28/2008 9:24:00 PM

I said almost. $1,309.50 vs $1,874.04

WTF is 24p?

[Edited on July 28, 2008 at 9:28 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2008 9:27:52 PM

movies are shot in 24 frames per second... the was discussion regarding it on like the last two pages of this thread.

7/28/2008 9:41:51 PM

^ most DVD players and many TVs do a pull down to correct for that.

7/29/2008 2:07:33 AM

and i've heard its not 100%... i wanted something that did it natively.

like i said, the extra money is personal preference, the 80u is still a fantastic TV.

7/29/2008 8:18:10 AM

So, what exactly are the differences in the

80U
85U
800U

?

7/30/2008 10:39:13 AM

Quote :

"The only problem i've had so far is that when hooked up to my computer, by default, it only chooses 1080i resolution, and I had to download a program to force it to 1080p resolution"

what program?

and was this your graphics card or the TV that was forcing 1080i?

i have an 8600GT that has a video out (DVI to HDMI)

[Edited on July 30, 2008 at 4:57 PM. Reason : .]

7/30/2008 4:42:49 PM

^^the 800/850 are thx certified and have more shades of gradation over the 80, as well as better in tv sound sound system (though, thats basically a moot point). some have more inputs, dvi connection capability...

panasonic's site will let you compare

[Edited on July 30, 2008 at 6:38 PM. Reason : ]

7/30/2008 6:38:42 PM

I'm thinking about getting the 40" Sony LCD, model #KDL-40S4100. It's definitely not the best of that size, even within the Sony brand, but I don't want to spend more than a grand. Does anyone have this TV? The reason I'm choosing Sony is because a friend can get me a good deal on their products and this TV looks pretty good in store, I am just looking for confirmation from anyone who might have it.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10510551&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665381955

7/30/2008 10:22:28 PM

hows the sony quality? I've heard complaints of premature breakdowns of their other products... dont know about TVs

7/30/2008 10:44:46 PM

sony and samsung panels are made in the same place.. get the sammy save some money

7/30/2008 10:46:35 PM

i'm getting the sony because my friend works for them and can get it at a discount. so for me, the sony is cheaper.

7/31/2008 12:29:36 AM

tv got here... it's friggen beautiful.

and, when i upgraded my cable box, i had them add the hd package... i have every single premium channel right now, and the chat log to prove i didnt request it. lets hope they arent billing me for it, cause i dont want to tell them to turn it off.

8/1/2008 11:14:10 PM