^yes.

11/16/2010 11:07:49 AM

I want to be a zombie extra

11/16/2010 12:12:04 PM

not really sure I like where this show is going...

awesome pilot though

11/16/2010 1:13:35 PM

This show is definitely my second favorite Sunday night drama.

11/16/2010 2:58:22 PM

This show is going to shit. Acting and writing is laughable.

11/19/2010 9:53:08 AM

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"I'm guessing he panicked when he couldn't cut through the handcuffs fast enough"

I'm gonna call shenanigans on this whole roof top scenario too. First off, like I mentioned before, who moved the red tool box in episode two from near the side of the rooftop ledge to the steel walk path? I mean if they were going to be rescued, wouldn't the group move all their shit and supplies to the loading dock, and already talk to the racist white dude to play ball before shit hit the fan?

2ndly, I call BS on the whole idea "let me cut through my hand because it's faster than cutting a small dinky chain because zombies are going to break down the door"... Obviously the chain and door held when the group re-entered the rooftop to find a bloodless hand? wtf? Where's the blood? There's like no blood on the blade and very little on the rest of the tool. I'm sure a person who had military training would have kept a cool head through a situation like that and think rationally. Also, how does one escape the rooftop and not leave a blood trail from the immediate scene with a severed hand?

I donno about he whole "colony" feeling about the camp, there seems to be a lot of forced encounters that even if I suspend my disbelief, that shit like that would really happen. Just some of the conflicts seem to contradict earlier statements or conversations from an episode ago or even moments before. I know they are trying really hard to show a bunch of stuff in just 6 episodes, I think they are not doing it effectively in the time they had. I mean if you cut a series down to 6 episodes, you might as well call it a mini-series and kind of do what Battlestar Galactica did when they started their seasons and it was badass.

I mean it's all nice to keep us in the dark to what and how everything happened then focus on the survival story, but I kind of loosing interest in this already because I don't feel them really surviving, specially considering everyone seems well rested and have their hair done nice... Not the run and gun, 'oh shit, zombies' experience I was hoping.

I still think it's a mistake for the writers to reunite Rick with his family so early on, I mean that could have been the whole story plot driver for the first season, at least show the story of him getting to Atlanta. Would have been much more powerful, dramatic scene when they reunited. What's the impending doom of the series now? besides just zombies in Atlanta?


Also, I was kinda hoping that merle would be like Bill from L4D.

[Edited on November 20, 2010 at 8:54 PM. Reason : ]

11/20/2010 8:50:59 PM

Ok so haven't seen this yet but a few friends recommended it to me. How many episodes so far? Ok to start with the next one or wait till the rerun them in order? Also sucks I don't get AMC in HD.

11/20/2010 9:12:35 PM

what makes you think it would be ok to start a series on episode 4 and not 1?

11/20/2010 11:47:14 PM

I started watching Star Wars with episode 4 and that worked out pretty good.

11/21/2010 12:00:27 AM

catch up: http://www.icefilms.info

11/21/2010 12:11:47 AM

When does the second episode make it to hulu?

11/21/2010 9:22:00 AM

I went to imdb.com and got the episode list then set my dvr to record the series. I'll just hope to catch a rerun of the first few episodes.

11/21/2010 9:53:58 AM

After having just read about 60 issues of the comic over the past week, I am quite curious to see how/where this season is going to end. I have a guess, but I'm not sure they can get there in only 3 more episodes.

11/21/2010 4:32:41 PM

wow, this episode is pretty good so far.

11/21/2010 10:31:45 PM

Much, much, better than last week.

11/21/2010 10:59:17 PM

Gangbanger wannabes defending a retirement home...? Seriously? My suspension of disbelief just took some major damage.

11/21/2010 11:03:58 PM

that part was pretty stupid

11/21/2010 11:07:37 PM

I don't think they were all gansta wannabes. Just the a lot of the go-to guys in their colony were. Its not far-fetched.

[Edited on November 21, 2010 at 11:12 PM. Reason : ]

11/21/2010 11:08:52 PM

They weren't gangbangers, they were ordinary people who were posturing as gang bangers to make themselves seem more scary.

11/21/2010 11:10:07 PM

there we go, was waiting for this kind of episode.. more or less totally original story arc from the comic which i think is a GREAT idea.. i would've been concerned if they were trying to do a pane-by-pane or even volume by volume remake. kicked in the whole 'no one is safe' message that kirkman talks about too.

enjoyed the ep. though i don't know how the greater undead city of atlanta hasn't overwhelmed the little mexico retirement home/fort

11/21/2010 11:16:37 PM

interesting episode, but is it wrong that i was laughing during the end scene where the zombies invaded the camp? it just seemed like "yeah you guys are out in the woods, just how long did you think you were going to hide in that area before they eventually found you?"

and is it just me, or does the crossbow dude look a lot like one of the brothers from The Boondock Saints?

11/21/2010 11:30:43 PM

^It's the same dude:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005342/

11/21/2010 11:37:21 PM

^,^^ thats where i recognized him from..

and i recognize andrea from the mist and silent hill

11/21/2010 11:48:20 PM

^^^Yeah I think a colony would be safer in a building where you can bottleneck a possible zombie ambush through a couple of doorways.

[Edited on November 21, 2010 at 11:49 PM. Reason : ^^^]

11/21/2010 11:49:15 PM

I mentioned that on page 6. But no one took notice.

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"isn't his brother one of the actors from boondockst?"

11/22/2010 12:27:45 AM

^^ i guess but i can see how they'd wanna be out of the city too. what happens if there are so many zombies you can't get out of your exit anymore?!

also i thought this episode was def better than the last one. i'm glad the ending took place too. def needed to kill off some characters

11/22/2010 12:49:20 AM

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"but is it wrong that i was laughing during the end scene where the zombies invaded the camp? it just seemed like "yeah you guys are out in the woods, just how long did you think you were going to hide in that area before they eventually found you?""

I believe in the last episode they made it clear that the woods folks had set up a perimeter -- looked like cans on a string, something that would make noise if zombies hit it (even if it wouldn't stop them). I definitely got the impression that the zombies got to the camp -- and got in unnoticed -- because of Merle leading them there to get revenge.

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"They weren't gangbangers, they were ordinary people who were posturing as gang bangers to make themselves seem more scary."

This, big time. You're trying to protect a place and people keep fucking with you, sooner or later you're going to present the scariest version of yourself that you can come up with. If you're a bunch of low-income latinos, you could do worse than presenting the gangbanger front.

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"Yeah I think a colony would be safer in a building where you can bottleneck a possible zombie ambush through a couple of doorways."

There is a substantial zombie thread in chit chat which addresses this issue at length, but basically it comes down to a question of whether you want to be in a fairly secure zombie building where the zombies emphatically are, or in a less secure area where the zombies generally aren't. I tend to side with the conventional wisdom that you want isolation, since you're going to have to regularly send people outside of your secured zone anyway, and if there's a fuckton of zombies right outside they're done for.

11/22/2010 1:22:33 AM

Much better episode tonight. I hope last week's was just a dud and these last two stay on course.

11/22/2010 1:46:27 AM

^^ agreed w/ everything you said. esp this:

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"I believe in the last episode they made it clear that the woods folks had set up a perimeter -- looked like cans on a string, something that would make noise if zombies hit it (even if it wouldn't stop them). I definitely got the impression that the zombies got to the camp -- and got in unnoticed -- because of Merle leading them there to get revenge."

i was waiting for merle to pop out. seriously.

11/22/2010 7:39:37 AM

I guess Merle doesn't care if he puts the innocent campers (the ones who didn't leave him behind) at risk, but what about his brother? I guess if Merle did lead the zombies to the camp, he figured his brother would have been able to take care of himself.

11/22/2010 9:19:08 AM

the writing and acting on this show is horrendous. the first 95% of that episode sucked until the zombie camp invasion.

11/22/2010 10:28:30 AM

I've watched shows with much worse acting/writing, and I appreciate the fact that they're not just sending a new wave of zombies after them every week.

11/22/2010 12:43:00 PM

^^agreed. the part at the beginning w/ the 2 women in the boat...omfjesus that was HORRIBLE. i almost fast forwarded through it.

the zombie invasion was pretty cool though.

11/22/2010 1:31:04 PM

I didn't fast-forward because I was anticipating an underwater zombie attack. Hands from beneath cap size the boat....

11/22/2010 1:53:43 PM

^^I nearly cut off the show during that scene. God it was terrible. I was so happy when one of them got bitten. Though, I was wishing both of them were bitten.

11/22/2010 1:59:44 PM

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"the writing and acting on this show is horrendous. the first 95% of that episode sucked until the zombie camp invasion."

Based on your preferred scene, I'm not sure what measuring stick you're using to judge writing and acting. If the attack scene is your preferred method, then by that logic, you must be a huge fan of Jurassic Park 3, Transformers 2, and/or 2 Fast 2 Furious (and probably extremely disappointed that none ever received credit for their awesomeness from the Academy).

The twist with the "gang bangers" was cleverly crafted, and they did an excellent job driving up the suspense around how the entire situation would be resolved. The dialogue between the sisters was a little clunky, but it worked to later give some emotional weight to the zombie attack. It was a well-balanced episode that had a solid mix of character development through dialogue and action (the asian kid, sisters, etc), story progression (retrieval of guns, zombie attack, survivors injured), tension, and action. I'm not sure what else there is to want?

On behalf of the entire cast and crew, I'd like to offer you a sincere apology that this 50 minutes of television didn't have enough action for you, and ultimately sucked.

11/22/2010 2:01:02 PM

I am not looking for non-stop action, but the scenes without any action should at least be watchable. The opening scene with the girls on the boat was terrible, the entire subplot of the "gangbangers/rest home" was terrible, and the part where the older guy was telling a story around the campfire was even worse. It's like they're trying to make the campground survivors into a Lost type of family but the character development & the acting are severely lacking.

11/22/2010 2:18:09 PM

Which one of you was dressed as a pirate at Galaxy last night? Fess up!

11/22/2010 3:12:36 PM

you'll probably notice a lack of A+ writing and talent because, surprise surprise, it's a tv show on cable about zombies. people aren't exactly biting at the chomp to get cast in those historicallly (har har)

i think the fact that it's on AMC props it up as well as the fact that there's already material with a certain fanbase

just like with true blood (the addition of the king of Mississippi was the difference between me watching and not watching) once it catches on they'll be able hire some better actors and writers and luckily they can kill off pretty much anyone save for the sheriff and move on quickly

11/22/2010 3:53:55 PM

^^^^obvious troll is obvious.

i do hope we see more about the hispanic gangbanger folks, maybe a little about a couple other groups of humans still hanging on. i've not read the comics so i have no idea what to expect. i'm definitely going to continue watching, regardless of horribly written opening scenes with women arguing about fishing technique.

11/22/2010 4:08:30 PM

This show is not my usual "thing." I've never seen a zombie movie or anything before, but my brother kept hounding me to watch this show.

I'm a fan. I really enjoyed the pilot and last night's episode. I have nothing more to add.

11/22/2010 4:09:59 PM

Terrible episode

and

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"biting at the chomp"

You got it backwards, bro

11/22/2010 4:17:52 PM

Someone at work was talking to me about the show and accidentally mentioned what happens (based on the graphic novel)

I was very

He was like


And I was like



[Edited on November 22, 2010 at 4:52 PM. Reason : ]

11/22/2010 4:44:36 PM

to everyone that says "terrible episode" or "this episode sucked" or some variation there-of, i'd love to know how you would have scripted it. what would you have done differently? since there are so many armchair-writers and directors in here, let's see who thinks they can play with the big boys.

11/22/2010 4:53:46 PM

That's such a weak sauce reaction. I'm not saying I could create a better episode or series, but the people who make a living doing that are fully open to criticism. I can't hit .300 or throw 50 yard TD passes or write a great album or make a decent television show, but that doesn't mean I can't criticize the guys whose paychecks are subsidized by my time.

11/22/2010 5:01:26 PM

i'm simply curious to see who thinks they have better ideas, better scripting. you are free to criticize the show all you want.

11/22/2010 5:03:40 PM

How about make characters that are actually interesting

Not a single character has a motive or personality that is even close to compelling at this point

The people that died in the zombie raid, I couldn't tell you a single one of their names. R.I.P. younger sister whose dad taught you to fish and domestic abuser that got his face pounded in.

The writers are just meandering through a vaguely interesting plot. There's a lot of seeming filler, little palpable emotion, and nothing much that really makes me want to come back for another episode.

[Edited on November 22, 2010 at 5:10 PM. Reason : And, yeah, hiring people who could actually act would have been a good start]

11/22/2010 5:07:44 PM

I don't really know what you want us to say. The Wire, Six Feet Under, The Sopranos, (most of) Lost; those are shows with good writing and character development (not to mention acting). so far, this show is not. that opening scene was brutal.

^ (also everything that he said.)

[Edited on November 22, 2010 at 5:10 PM. Reason : .]

11/22/2010 5:09:17 PM

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"That's such a weak sauce reaction. I'm not saying I could create a better episode or series, but the people who make a living doing that are fully open to criticism. I can't hit .300 or throw 50 yard TD passes or write a great album or make a decent television show, but that doesn't mean I can't criticize the guys whose paychecks are subsidized by my time."

I'd buy this type of reaction, and your opinion in general if it (as it pertains to this episode) weren't based upon roughly 6-7 minutes of actual footage.

Look, I'll spot you the conversation in the boat-although I do think that added a bit of heft to the later scene where the one sister gets her ass chomped (and I think sets the way for there to be an in-camp conflict over what to do with her injured/dead body...since no one put a bullet through her brain).

I'll even grant that the campfire scene could've been stronger-although, again, I think the whole thing was intended to set this nice, mellowed out and jovial tone, which was then immediately shattered by the attack.

But overall, aside from those two sequences, I just don't see the basis for the criticism on this one.

The encounter with the vatos (which could've easily devolved into a boring standard fare shootout), was handled with a pretty interesting twist, and (as I said above) the tension leading up to the "show down" was well built. You got to see an interesting bit of character development in some (i.e. the asian kid), you had a major event move the plot forward (camp attack), and got to see some general development that expanded on the toll camp life is taking (crazy asshole digging graves/holes).

Sure, you can nitpick just about anything, but I think that's the most criticism you can muster for this one. At its core, its a story based on a comic book about zombies. Forgive me if I don't hold all parts of it to the standard set by something like The Wire or Band of Brothers.

11/22/2010 5:10:50 PM

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"the tension leading up to the "show down" was well built."

Not at all

It lasted for, what, two scenes? I didn't give a shit about the Mexicans, I never thought for a second that any of the good guys were going to get blasted.

I'm not saying that the writers should have turned the dudes into Mexican Others, but you could have strung us along for more than 10 minutes. I honestly laughed out loud when the grandmother broke up the standoff. What insight did that sequence give the viewer? Are we supposed to be in awe of a janitor propping up an abandoned nursing home?

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"Sure, you can nitpick just about anything, but I think that's the most criticism you can muster for this one. At its core, its a story based on a comic book about zombies. Forgive me if I don't hold all parts of it to the standard set by something like The Wire or Band of Brothers."

The problem is that the show is billed as being centered on the struggles of the people surviving the zombies. But the writers are totally fucking that up. I don't care about the characters because they're not giving me a reason to. And if you want it to make it about the zombies, how about make the zombies actually pose a threat. Until the camp raid, they seemed pretty harmless.

[Edited on November 22, 2010 at 5:20 PM. Reason : I'm arguing plot devices with a guy whose username is BoondockSt]

11/22/2010 5:14:15 PM