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"A map that conveniently appeared right at the end"

you can't be serious

12/21/2015 2:02:49 PM

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"g cost of the one shot from a cannon that could have been used to blow it up and thus prevent the entire collapse of the empire wasn't in the fucking training allotment that year? "

Lol good call never thought of that

12/21/2015 2:03:23 PM

What I read online was that Abrams said that R2 D2 had the map because he plugged into the Death Star back in the Ep. IV and had access to the Empire's database (which was how the First Order had this map too with the missing piece). It was just missing that one portion that Max Von Sydow's character had at the very beginning. Kind of makes sense - they still probably should've actually said this in the movie though.

Then R2 D2 woke up because BB8 tried to communicate with him earlier in the movie and that it simply took him a long time to wake up (and that he conveniently woke up right when they got back from the First Order base). Kind of a shitty explanation, but at least he recognized it was kind of ridiculous.

12/21/2015 2:34:02 PM

Doesn't the map have Skywalker's location on it? how would R2 of gotten that in Episode 4 with Luke right beside him?

[Edited on December 21, 2015 at 2:50 PM. Reason : ]

12/21/2015 2:49:53 PM

so how did Poe get ejected from the Tie fighter but the jacket he was wearing did not? How did he manage to get off of Jakku, and why did he not try to find BB-8 after the crash landing when he knew the First Order was searching for the droid?

12/21/2015 3:02:40 PM

Lol @ the idea luke had to hide for decades to wait for reinforcements to take on even younger kylo.

12/21/2015 3:20:11 PM

I really enjoyed it. I'm assuming it's a kids movie and should be viewed as such, but holy shit how did they find Luke at the end? Pisses me off...

I try not to think to hard about JJ's movies, because they are full of plot holes (including TFA).

12/21/2015 3:29:35 PM

there may be plot holes; but how they found luke isnt one of them.

I doubt the map was to Luke; but to somewhere that Luke was going to go in search of.

12/21/2015 3:32:31 PM

Rey has so many similarities to young Anakin, it will be interesting to see if she turns to the dark side.

12/21/2015 3:36:14 PM

The final song turned into a mashup of march of the empire so maybe they will form a new empire

12/21/2015 3:44:25 PM

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"Then R2 D2 woke up because BB8 tried to communicate with him earlier in the movie and that it simply took him a long time to wake up (and that he conveniently woke up right when they got back from the First Order base)."

I like my explanation better. R2-D2 might as well be explained as force-sensitive since he always seems to be in the right place at the right time and know the exact right thing to do. So I'd rather think it (he?) knew it was time to wake up and lead Rey to Luke rather than that's just when he conveniently finished his boot-up.

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"Lol @ the idea luke had to hide for decades to wait for reinforcements to take on even younger kylo."

Did you not notice the guy in the big fucking chair (might not be so big if it's hologram enhancement, but still) who seduced Kylo to the dark side? Obi-Wan did the same thing. No point in going after either Sith until you have an apprentice you know won't be turned.

12/21/2015 4:57:51 PM

Might as well just let them pillage the entire galaxy for decades and kill your friends.

12/21/2015 5:19:41 PM

This is a map from one of the new canon books



It includes the planet Rakata Prime, which some theorize is the one Luke was on. That planet is from the game Knights of the Old Republic and was the homeworld/capital of the ancient, pre-republic Infinite Empire. It's been declared non-canon but they have already said they will be picking stories they like out of the old EU for the new movies.

Might see an Old Republic movie? And if not, maybe we see the Star Forge as the superweapon of a future movie? It's a massive space station that uses the dark side somehow to suck resources out of a star and use it to build fleets incredibly quickly.



[Edited on December 21, 2015 at 6:15 PM. Reason : ]

12/21/2015 6:13:21 PM

So which planets were destroyed and where was Rey et al when this happened?

12/21/2015 6:40:07 PM

Hosnian prime system was destroyed. They were on Takodana. So they obviously wouldn't have been able to see it with the naked eye, and even if they could have it would have been 10,000 or more years before they could see it.

But I didn't really care about that, maybe the force showed it to them or something.

[Edited on December 21, 2015 at 7:18 PM. Reason : ]

12/21/2015 7:15:24 PM

^ Yeah this really bothered me. JJ abrams seems to take extreme liberties with special relativity as seen in the Star Trek movies.

Kinda amazing the rebels ever had a base on Hoth. According to star wars canon the Galactic Empire had 25,000 star destroyers. Per the action in SW Ep. VIII within the 30 minutes the StarKiller needed to charge up to destroy the resistance base, the resistance fighters were able to get off their asses and hyperspace to the base for a grand showdown against the new order. With this sort of amazing hyperdrive capability, all Vader needed to have done was disperse just half his star destroyer fleet. Sending one per star system per hour, working around the clock they could have covered 8 Million star systems in half a year.

12/21/2015 7:53:30 PM

as we well know, the ability to improve on travel times can't improve much over a 30 year period. i mean, there's no possible way that you could go from lengthy hyperspace travel to shorter travel. just like 30 years after the wright brothers flew, people were still using wooden planes to travel the skies.

12/21/2015 8:58:30 PM

I haven't watched the original movies in a while, but do they ever reference a unit of time other than a parsec? For some reason it annoyed me that they decided to go into minutes and seconds when the Star Wars universe obviously uses a different time standard

12/21/2015 10:10:30 PM

I like how this movie replaced R2D2 and C3PO with the lovechild of Wall-E and a beach ball and a black man that quit his job.

12/21/2015 10:21:07 PM

When I was watching the movie,i assumed they were destroying other planets on the same solar system as rey as a show of force or something to get the map piece. I honestly didn't realize they were in entirely different systems.

I would classify this as a pretty big hole honestly, seems pretty sad they went this route instead of conveying this some other way...

12/21/2015 10:22:48 PM

No I'm sure it was more of a "common folk don't understand the speed of light" and that things happening elsewhere in the universe are not visible instantaneously. Watching shit blow up in the sky 10,000 light years away is more dramatic then ObiWan saying he felt a shimmer in the force as in Ep. IV.

At least they managed to throw in that the starkiller base weapon was a hyperspace travelling super laser.

12/21/2015 10:40:40 PM

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"I haven't watched the original movies in a while, but do they ever reference a unit of time other than a parsec?"

Parsecs are a measure of distance, not time.

12/22/2015 3:06:10 AM

When Rey went to meet Luke she was the only person there because that looks cool and dramatic. That also why it took so damn long for Luke to turn around.

Kylo Ren was still bleeding from the shot by Chewie, otherwise I'm sure he would've immediately ripped Finn and Rey to shreds.

12/22/2015 3:20:21 AM

I got a big old "meh" from this movie.

Kylo Ren was kind of a cool character. A little bit of actual character development for a baddy.

Otherwise a lot of it felt like a rehashing of the same story with a lot of forced, clunky relationships. Finn and Rey had no chemistry, IMO. Finn and Po was even worse. Maybe I just don't like the actor, because the character seems like a good idea. A stormtrooper with a conscience/defector from the First Order should be more compelling.

Rey on the other was really good. She actually seems like a legit badass. I look forward to seeing how her training with Luke goes.

Action was good, but overall it was only ok. Certainly not worthy of the rave reviews it's drawn from many critics. Definitely better than any of the prequels and maybe better than Jedi, but certainly far behind the original and Empire.

12/22/2015 7:03:02 AM

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"Finn and Rey had no chemistry"

lolwut

oh wait, you're one of those jedi haters. go buy some flannel and mustache wax and gtfo

[Edited on December 22, 2015 at 9:01 AM. Reason : .]

12/22/2015 9:01:05 AM

It was very good.

Some of ya'll need to take a deep breath and step back. This production had to accomplish a great many things and it did that fairly well. It tied in with the old story, reintroduced old characters, introduced new ones (that didn't suck for once), had a good plot and left enough questions unanswered to make you want to come back and find out what happens next.

You really want to bitch about Kylo Ren appearing ahead of our protagonists at the end of the movie? You're willing to accept that they're on a planet that's literally been hollowed out and turned into a super weapon, but at the same time think to yourself "there's no way there could be some sort of access tunnel, or lift, or system to transport personnel around under the surface in such a way that he might have been able to get ahead of them. Nope. No way. Fuckin' movie's ruined."

Part of what's great about these movies is that they don't burden the audience with the minutiae of sci-fi logistics. In one scene the spaceship is flying towards the planet, and when they cut to the next scene it's already on the ground. I don't need to see the fucking thing land every time to know that somehow, they've worked that shit out.

Apparently some of you do, and for that I feel sorry for you.

12/22/2015 9:11:28 AM

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"RIAN JOHNSON's Episode VIII"

this excites the shit out of me

12/22/2015 10:36:51 AM

^You know LOOPER was very cool but filled with so many plot holes and the time travel made absolutely no sense. Carruth consulted on the film and he didn't listen to anything he said. It will surely piss off people that are nitpicking in this thread. I don't have any problem with him making a fantasy film though, which this is.

TFA was good, but I was kind of disappointed after hearing the near universal praise. Most of the movie was an obvious rehash. The action was good. Kylo was good and surprisingly intimidating even without the mask on. The biggest annoyance is Snoke is less interesting/mysterious than Kylo and looks like a stupid CGI Voldemort.

12/22/2015 11:19:03 AM

They have been preparing for a decade for this reboot. So it should be good.

12/22/2015 11:48:50 AM

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"I was kind of disappointed after hearing the near universal praise"

I think this was a lot of it. Critics have been blowing this movie all week like it's some kind of revelation. It's not, it's just another star wars movie, there's very little special about it. It's a fun romp and it's largely built for kids. If you go in expecting more than that it's going to be a let down.

This is more like Temple of Doom than say, Mad Max: Fury Road.

12/22/2015 11:52:58 AM

^ you can make a movie that's a fun romp built for kids (which this was) that is also very well made, with an epic feel.

12/22/2015 12:07:47 PM

I agree, you can. A couple of the Harry Potter movies were like that.

This isn't a bad movie, it's just not anything special as films go. It's a 7 out of 10.

12/22/2015 12:20:35 PM

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"You know LOOPER was very cool but filled with so many plot holes and the time travel made absolutely no sense."

If there's one thing that hard science is good for, it's ruining storytelling in time travel flicks. I loved Looper, liked The Brothers Bloom (the opening sequence is amazing), and LOVED LOVED LOVED Brick. I am super stoked for Episode VIII simply because of Rian Johnson. The fact that it'll include Luke and the very enjoyable new characters, especially Rey, is just gravy.

12/22/2015 12:37:34 PM

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"A stormtrooper with a conscience/defector from the First Order should be more compelling."

Yeah Finns character would have been better had they made him to be some sort of deep cover Rebel spy rather then a random storm trooper who randomly developed a conscious and decided to help some random pilot escape.

12/22/2015 2:19:04 PM

Prediction: He's Lando's son.

12/22/2015 2:22:19 PM

Would Schindler's List have been better if Schindler was actually an OSS agent and not a Nazi with a conscious?

12/22/2015 3:09:56 PM

Yea, the visualization of those planets being destroyed was bs. I took it as more of a thing to not waste time on how people would actually figure out a system was destroyed.

Not to mention the weapon EATS STARS to shoot! just go eat the stars if the planets you want to destroy. You dont even need a gun. And how many shots did they plan on having 1? 2?

Does the planet move? It sure as shit better be able to. Maybe it's a metaphor that using any kind of weapon like that ends up destroying yourself anyway.

12/22/2015 3:26:15 PM

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"Does the planet move? It sure as shit better be able to. Maybe it's a metaphor that using any kind of weapon like that ends up destroying yourself anyway."

Doesn't need to....

It's a uber hyperspace laser

12/22/2015 3:56:18 PM

It has to move because it drains a star to fire.

I'd say it's probably hyperspace capable but probably doesn't have any sublight drives like the Death Star did.

12/22/2015 4:34:16 PM

It ate the star.....

You need the star. You need the sun....

12/22/2015 4:39:20 PM

If it fired once, and needs to consume a star to fire, and we saw it sucking down a 2nd star to prepare to fire again, can we safely assume that either 1) it can move, or 2) it was chillin' in a binary star system or something? Do we really need to nitpick on the realities of a fictional carved out planet turned super weapon that's not even in existence anymore? Does it really fucking matter?

12/22/2015 5:48:19 PM

bdmazur said:

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"Pretty sure BB-8 stayed with Poe (his actual "master" in the slavery system that is droid ownership). R2-D2 went with Rey and Chewbacca, giving Luke another ally he can trust when a girl who doesn't know (or at least doesn't recognize right away) shows up."

You are right! That's even more in service to the original point, too.

Jrb599 said:

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"Doesn't the map have Skywalker's location on it? how would R2 of gotten that in Episode 4 with Luke right beside him?"

Han said that they thought Luke went to the first Jedi temple. The map leads to the first Jedi temple.

MONGO said:

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"I really enjoyed it. I'm assuming it's a kids movie and should be viewed as such, but holy shit how did they find Luke at the end? Pisses me off..."

bro what the fuck dude

goalielax said:

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"as we well know, the ability to improve on travel times can't improve much over a 30 year period. i mean, there's no possible way that you could go from lengthy hyperspace travel to shorter travel. just like 30 years after the wright brothers flew, people were still using wooden planes to travel the skies."

That's stupid. Travel times haven't dramatically improved in any form of transportation in the past 30 years in the real world. Besides that, hyperspace travel in Star Wars is old, like older than real-world sailing old. Why would you expect radical change?

StingrayRush said:

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"I haven't watched the original movies in a while, but do they ever reference a unit of time other than a parsec? For some reason it annoyed me that they decided to go into minutes and seconds when the Star Wars universe obviously uses a different time standard"

Yes. They talk about the Death Star being in position to fire on the Rebel base in "30 seconds" during A New Hope, Han says "wait a minute" several times, Luke says "wait a second," Leia says "our most desperate hour" and "years ago" in her message to Obi-Wan, etc.

12/22/2015 7:32:58 PM

There are a lot of dumb posts in this thread, but this one really sets the bar:

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"Finn and Rey had no chemistry, IMO"

12/23/2015 9:48:34 AM

I thoroughly enjoyed it, there was a lot of 'oh, what a coincidence' moments, but I'm willing to forgive them because the characters were really well done.

12/23/2015 10:02:19 AM

https://youtu.be/KJzArzbbwBk

Good watch. Explains some of the underlying thoughts JJ had.

12/23/2015 2:38:21 PM

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"That's stupid. Travel times haven't dramatically improved in any form of transportation in the past 30 years in the real world. Besides that, hyperspace travel in Star Wars is old, like older than real-world sailing old. Why would you expect radical change?"

oh, i don't know. maybe because they were able to go from not being able to suck a sun's energy in to a planet to create a multi-world destroying superweapon to being able to do that in 30 years?

hell, it's only been in the last 50 years that we've been able to get from NYC to London without having to refuel in Gander, Newfoundland.

just because we don't invest shit in advancing space travel doesn't mean the world of star wars doesn't

[Edited on December 23, 2015 at 2:50 PM. Reason : ,]

12/23/2015 2:49:00 PM

The real issue is the first orders stock price after this movie!



[Edited on December 23, 2015 at 3:23 PM. Reason : I]

12/23/2015 2:58:36 PM

I really liked the First Order looking like a bunch of Nazis.

I feel like Kylo's temper tantrums took away from his badassness, and someone who is able to yield the force, either for the dark or for the light, shouldn't have temper tantrums. This was Anakin's problem as well, which eventually led him to become mostly machine. But I think they portrayed him that way to show that he is not a fully trained wielder of the force. He definitely has a way to go.

What is the lifespan of a wookie? Has that been established? I didn't see any gray fur on him.

Thoroughly enjoyed Finn and Rey and their interactions. Kinda got goosebumps when she was able force-pull the lightsaber away from Kylo.

It was also nice to see a storm trooper actually do some fighting.

The physics of this movie really doesn't bother me, but they could have just as easily explained the destruction of those planets by Leia and Rey both sensing "something." But I guess it would have been too much like Obi Wan sensing the destruction of Alderan.

Will be seeing it again next week with my dad.

[Edited on December 23, 2015 at 5:22 PM. Reason : ways]

12/23/2015 5:21:33 PM

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" What is the lifespan of a wookie? Has that been established? I didn't see any gray fur on him."

Can't remember exactly where (back of a trading card maybe?) but back in the days of the original trilogy I recall seeing they had several hundred year lifespans. Yoda was something like 900 years and wookies were maybe 400ish?

12/23/2015 8:50:06 PM

He was 200 in A New Hope.

12/23/2015 8:55:38 PM