LastInACC All American 1843 Posts user info edit post |
82 years ban.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bdavidridpath/2015/08/24/will-the-ncaa-punish-the-university-of-north-carolina-past-situational-ethics-say-otherwise/
td;dr *Author is skeptical on NCAA fair judgment *Author believes NCAA will show favoritism if UNC is to be punished.
[Edited on August 28, 2015 at 5:09 PM. Reason : . ] 8/28/2015 5:09:27 PM |
Bullet All American 28414 Posts user info edit post |
http://journalism.unr.edu/events/mcculloch-courage-in-journalism-award/
Quote : | "Dan Kane, an investigative journalist at The News & Observer of Raleigh, N.C. is the 2015 recipient of the McCulloch Courage in Journalism Award.
Kane is being honored for his work in uncovering the academic fraud scandal involving the athletics program at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. His reporting exposed a pattern in which athletes were directed to questionable or nonexistent classes. He was subject to violent threats from UNC fans and a variety of multimedia smear campaigns." |
9/16/2015 2:40:22 PM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
lol
9/16/2015 2:58:42 PM |
ctnz71 All American 7207 Posts user info edit post |
dealwithitdan.gif 9/16/2015 9:07:09 PM |
scotieb24 Commish 11088 Posts user info edit post |
lol, man I bet that burns 9/16/2015 10:16:38 PM |
wolfdawg4 All American 5866 Posts user info edit post |
Dan Kane is on his way to Pack Pride sainthood 9/16/2015 10:18:11 PM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
The award was given by the University of Nevada - Reno Wolf Pack after all
#Wuffies
[Edited on September 17, 2015 at 12:04 AM. Reason : ] 9/17/2015 12:03:41 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148438 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/25315260/inside-college-sports-ncaa-redefines-academic-misconduct-after-unc-case 9/24/2015 5:31:46 PM |
ncsuallday Sink the Flagship 9818 Posts user info edit post |
^sounds like this will be more like "Well UNC was a catalyst and changed the way the NCAA will address academic violations in the future" rather than start by making an example out of them. Hell, UNC attorneys could even argue that what constituted academic misconduct/fraud wasn't clearly defined before this NCAA release. 9/24/2015 5:41:33 PM |
V0LC0M All American 21263 Posts user info edit post |
So SMU got popped by the NCAA this morning. Can't believe no one has posted it yet.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13769364/ncaa-bans-smu-mustangs-2016-postseason-suspends-larry-brown-10-percent-team-games
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/9/29/9414105/smu-basketball-postseason-ban-ncaa-tournament-larry-brown
Quote : | "Shooting guard Keith Frazier is reportedly at the center of the NCAA's investigation. Frazier, a former McDonald's All-American, was ruled ineligible for academic misconduct midway through last season. Former assistant Ulric Maligi was also fired at this time for allegedly assisting Frazier with his school work." |
[Edited on September 29, 2015 at 10:29 AM. Reason : UNC should be terrified]9/29/2015 10:27:54 AM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "This marks the third time a Brown-coached program has been sanctioned by the NCAA, with the others happening at Kansas and UCLA." |
Hat Trick!9/29/2015 11:52:54 AM |
JT3bucky All American 23258 Posts user info edit post |
Just look at the coaching tree...
tells all. 9/29/2015 12:32:08 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
seriously can we just start cheating now, everyone in the ACC is doing it and getting results. 10/2/2015 4:59:24 PM |
ncsuallday Sink the Flagship 9818 Posts user info edit post |
Manalishi from PackPride made an appearance Tuesday. This is the guy that's been spot on with pretty much everything he's ever posted about.
http://www.scout.com/college/north-carolina-state/forums/2515-packpride-sports/14183646-cheater-continuing-saga-strongly-recommend-page-2?s=178&page=2
Quote : | "I feel that every so often certain reminders need repeating, simply for posterity’s sake.
The days of PP breaking major scandal news have been over for awhile, but don’t misunderstand the reasons behind that. It has not been due to a lack of intel that has been gathered, uncovered, and/or shared with those of influence.
Those late-night bombshells essentially ended with the multi-week PJH situation. After that point in time a lot of the dynamics of unc’s obfuscation (of its athletic-slash-academic scandal) kicked into a different gear, and it was determined that posting information on the boards in such a fashion was not the best way to bring eventual enlightenment. (You may be asking, “determined by whom”? In part by people who have a vested and shared interest in several different educational platforms.)
I know the results of this tactical alteration are not as fun as the days of Marvin, McAdoo, Blake, Peppers, and PJ, et al, but the reasons for the shift in approach have, in my view, been justified.
Having said all of that, I am going to still try to make the effort to pass along small bits of information when time allows and (even more importantly) when prudent. There could be another update in a week, or this might be the last post until Spring or Summer; impossible to say. Even five years ago a certain percentage of facts were withheld (in posts) for reasons of future leverage; those percentages have understandably gone way up in the past 24 months. Again, not fun for most, but necessary.
The following are a few of the items that have been gathered primarily over the past 4-6 weeks, with a couple of the more interesting points coming to surface even more recently – which ultimately prompted this update.
As alluded to above, much of the information posted here is often very edited in form and content. Some of the details were passed on by sources that I’d like to shield, and others were gathered through more first-hand methods. I know some will scoff at such notions, and that’s okay. Understandable, and doesn’t bother me a bit.
Take the following with as much of a grain of salt as you’d like. These days I’m indifferent when it comes to trying to convince anyone of anything; the wheels are in motion, regardless.
I gather, dissect, and assess, and then if warranted, deliver. Charlie Mike; drive on." |
[Edited on October 16, 2015 at 2:48 PM. Reason : 2nd part below]10/16/2015 2:44:46 PM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
Is he working for the FBI or something? Or the CIA? Good to have him on our side 10/16/2015 2:46:10 PM |
ncsuallday Sink the Flagship 9818 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "-- Numerous members of the national athletic-leadership community have been (very unofficially) issuing their displeasure of the new “Dean Smith” award, particularly since UNC’s very own paid-for reporting shows the scandal clearly spans several years into Smith’s regime (including the point of origin). Not every national school and athletic leader is fully aware of all of those facts, of course – but many more are aware than the casual observer realizes. Word gets around, despite PR efforts aimed at the casual sports fan.
Those leaders who are displeased have sent very concise signals to the NCAA. Paraphrased: If you want to save the legacy of a man out of respect for his recent departure, then fine. (That is, unfortunately, the way the political and corporate worlds often work.) But… you better hold the university and its programs accountable for the years that followed, since this blight has negatively affected MANY schools and athletic programs across the country. (again, my paraphrase of the general tone of some of the comments)
A close variation of that sentiment was repeated by several different collegiate leaders at various times over the past month, at two separate (and unconnected) conferences/gatherings.
That is a fact. There are less than a half-dozen people whom I fully trust in regards to this topic, and all are well-placed in their areas of specialty. One of them was privy to a nearly 30-minute conversation on this topic at one of the above-mentioned gatherings.
And no, you are extremely unlikely to see any of those leaders go on record; such dealings are behind closed doors for a reason. Again, the parallels with the worlds of the political and corporate need to be kept in mind.
-- Other coalitions that are keeping close tabs on the situation are certain Higher Education watchdog groups. It is verified that some of them have been in contact with their political allies, as well as representatives of the NCAA. Their message: we are following the situation and will use our contacts and future political influence as deemed appropriate.
-- Piggybacking on the above: politics used to be a safe haven for UNC and the perception of this scandal. There have been some small cracks in that foundation, to say the least.
I have a strong disdain for politics (no matter the party); my reasons are unimportant to this conversation. However, a wise man still recognizes the power that is wielded through politics. Those who rely on politicians need to always remember the phrase “looking out for number one”, because that is what will always take place in the mind of (99% of) politicians. (my opinion)
Due to the ever-growing duration and breadth of the scandal, there are some undeniable signs that UNC’s political allies are becoming fewer and fewer. Some have left the fight due to frustrations from being kept in the dark or outright deceived by UNC’s leaders (both named and unnamed). Not smart on the university’s part; they have miscalculated their power-play moves numerous times over the past few years.
Some allies, however, have begun to distance themselves so that when the proverbial stuff hits the fan, they are well out of the splatter zone. There is a LOT that still hasn’t come out that spans more than just athletics (and it most likely never will come out) – but some of these politicians apparently don’t want to take any chances.
The end result is a loss of allies, and thus leverage, on UNC’s part.
-- Research and intel is still being gathered on potential higher numbers, but it can be stated with confidence that there are currently (as of 9 OCT) four schools that have tasked their respective university legal teams with a “what if” scenario, so to speak. “If the NCAA does not take adequate action against UNC with regards to UNC’s academic infractions (when compared to our infractions, and the penalties we ultimately received), then what is our legal recourse?” And “legal recourse” doesn’t necessarily mean appeals – they are also talking about revenue compensation due to the unfair penalties, monies lost due to negative publicity, etc.
And an ironic twist that was revealed last week with regards to possible litigation: SMU is reportedly NOT one of those schools – at least not yet. Rumor is that they felt they were going to be shielded from major penalties BECAUSE they had Larry Brown. You can figure out why they felt that way… and the ramifications (to other certain schools) based on what was eventually handed down.
-- It has been mentioned earlier on the boards about a “general atmosphere that points to severe punishment”. This remains accurate, and has only grown stronger over the past month. There are numerous people who comprise the “pool” from which the eventual Committee on Infractions will be chosen (for UNC’s specific case). Fact: UNC has put out feelers to see if they can “stack the jury”, so to speak. Fact: Certain NCAA employees have (literally) laughed at this effort, going so far as to tell jokes (in private, of course) about those efforts. (once again… those previous statements are ones that I state as clear facts)
Regardless of those ill-intended efforts… some of the COI “pool” have received documentation (official, not rival-submitted) on the breadth of the scandal (including, but not limited to, numerous portions of the NOA’s supporting documentation that UNC redacted from its release), and a “rough draft” of potential penalties have been bandied about, off-the-record.
Some of those rumors have filtered back to Chapel Hill. Word from INSIDE THE SCHOOL is that reality may be finally setting in at the upper levels.
-- ***From Indy: certain scenarios are on the table that give a real chance that penalties could come down quite a bit earlier than many have speculated.*** Timelines almost ALWAYS change, for one reason or another… so I have zero confidence in guesstimating a date. But again, enough hints have come from Indy to suggest that an acceleration is a very real possibility.
-- Finally, from the entertainment side of the world: another book is apparently in the works and being pitched to Houses though publisher/editor back channels. (per reps of two separate entities)
What else could be covered that hasn’t already been detailed in Tarnished Heels or Cheated? Good question…
The beauty of posting these updates on an internet site is that it really doesn’t put too many people at risk, considering the semi-vague form that I feel I’ve edited down some of the portions. It’s on the internet – who will believe it, right??
But those gathering behind closed doors will believe it… and while a lot of unc fans will cry “BS” on virtually all of this… there are certain people in South Building who are aware of some of the above happenings, and they most definitely will not be crying foul.
I know that some people may not see this as a major update, and/or that there’s nothing particularly insightful or damning about it. Maybe so… maybe not.
But as the saying goes, the devil is often in the details – and as always, it’s sometimes best to let certain details emerge on their own accord.
***All of the above is, believe it or not, a watered-down version of perhaps 25% of what’s taken place since mid-summer.***
Some will notice there are certain topics (names, documents, etc.) that were not touched on much, if at all, up above. There are some obvious “elephant in the room” types of issues, granted. But there’s always a reason for saying (or not saying) something. Boja sie swiatla, nie ciemny…
As stated before, many will not believe, and that’s totally fine with me. I’m just a name on the internet. Additionally, I’m usually three TZ’s separated from unc, and sometimes a full 12 hours away. So yeah, don’t believe.
The several people that they really need to worry about are much, much closer." |
[Edited on October 16, 2015 at 2:53 PM. Reason : highlighted for the lazy]10/16/2015 2:47:04 PM |
ncsuallday Sink the Flagship 9818 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Is he working for the FBI or something? Or the CIA? Good to have him on our side" |
he may have something to do with government/military. he mentioned in another post that he had to deal with a "hotwash up north" and would update (with the above post) when time allowed.
Quote : | "A hotwash is the immediate "after-action" discussions and evaluations of an agency's (or multiple agencies') performance following an exercise, training session, or major event," |
[Edited on October 16, 2015 at 3:10 PM. Reason : .]10/16/2015 3:10:16 PM |
Zel Sa Da Tay 2094 Posts user info edit post |
Think I heard he is ex-Blackwater /shrug.
[Edited on October 17, 2015 at 3:09 PM. Reason : My source is simply a co-worker who spends half his day on PP.] 10/17/2015 3:04:14 PM |
GenghisJohn bonafide 10252 Posts user info edit post |
i dont care whats actually come out of packprides posts and shit, i dont believe shit manalishi posts because he uses the most ridiculous language to say it 10/17/2015 5:48:27 PM |
AstralEngine All American 3864 Posts user info edit post |
^lol, I'm glad I'm not the only person who thinks so. 10/17/2015 7:03:50 PM |
JT3bucky All American 23258 Posts user info edit post |
He is certainly in the know. Well ahead of the curve and news outlets.
DDK sure to make another splash here soon, especially with Bball starting up. 10/18/2015 3:58:52 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
fun to imagine possibilities, but I'll believe it when I see it. 10/18/2015 4:09:06 PM |
ctnz71 All American 7207 Posts user info edit post |
Poor John Henson was profiled at a jewelry store riding in fats Tahoe 10/20/2015 3:21:29 PM |
spydyrwyr All American 3021 Posts user info edit post |
^I read about that too. I'm typically in the "couldn't happen to a nicer team" camp when it comes to UNC stuff, but unless he had a weapon visible on him or something like that, that was total bullshit and absurd of the jewelry store. I take no joy in reading that story, regardless of who was on the receiving end. 10/20/2015 3:54:41 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148438 Posts user info edit post |
I read about it on John Henson's instagram. Was there an article?
I have a few questions.
- What was he wearing? A sweatsuit or something an athlete might wear? Or something more thuggish? - How do employees of a high end(?) jewelry store not know what the dozen pro athletes in Milwaukee look like, especially a 7 foot tall lottery pick? - How do the cops in Milwaukee not know what one of the only pro sports players in Milwaukee looks like?
Even racist pieces of shit usually cut some slack to celebrities in a sense.
[Edited on October 20, 2015 at 10:25 PM. Reason : whoops, forgot about the Brewers. black pro athletes] 10/20/2015 10:00:02 PM |
BrickTop All American 4508 Posts user info edit post |
apparently that store had been robbed 3 times in the past 18 months. also henson's car was similar to cars in prior thefts, OR they didn't like the plates (it had dealer tags or something).
i think they realize it looks bad, but they were probably following policy after their recent history 10/20/2015 10:55:25 PM |
BJCaudill21 Not an alcoholic 8015 Posts user info edit post |
Cops apparently did know who he was, told the store he was an nba player, and they still asked them to stick around, to which they said no.. 10/20/2015 11:01:24 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27827 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah, that jewelry store is a bunch of racist dicks. 10/21/2015 7:34:06 AM |
rflong All American 11472 Posts user info edit post |
John Henson is like the least intimidating black person I can think of. RIP that jewelry store as this news gets spread. 10/21/2015 9:09:26 AM |
Flyin Ryan All American 8224 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Due to the ever-growing duration and breadth of the scandal, there are some undeniable signs that UNC’s political allies are becoming fewer and fewer. Some have left the fight due to frustrations from being kept in the dark or outright deceived by UNC’s leaders (both named and unnamed). Not smart on the university’s part; they have miscalculated their power-play moves numerous times over the past few years.
Some allies, however, have begun to distance themselves so that when the proverbial stuff hits the fan, they are well out of the splatter zone. There is a LOT that still hasn’t come out that spans more than just athletics (and it most likely never will come out) – but some of these politicians apparently don’t want to take any chances.
The end result is a loss of allies, and thus leverage, on UNC’s part." |
I just can't believe the General Assembly (or the parties, although Chapel Hill's tentacles are deeper into the Democrats than the Republicans) will ever throw Chapel Hill under a bus. Like he said, politicians will always look out for #1, and a lot of people will vote for the other guy in state legislature races they care little about if it hurts UNC sports. Which says a lot about what is wrong with modern politics, but that's another post...
[Edited on October 21, 2015 at 10:13 AM. Reason : /]10/21/2015 10:11:39 AM |
Bullet All American 28414 Posts user info edit post |
Article published on WRAL on 4:00 on FRIDAY AFTERNOON. Have they ever been called-out for publishing these UNC articles so late on Friday afternoons, time and time again? The records were released yesterday (Thursday).
http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc-releases-records-in-academic-fraud-probe/15004225/ 10/23/2015 5:29:01 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27827 Posts user info edit post |
OMG IT TAKES A DAY TO WRITE AN ARTICLE 10/23/2015 6:28:02 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148438 Posts user info edit post |
Can't believe those MooU lovers at WRAL released the documents on a Friday afternoon, so the obsessed Wolfpeckers over on PrickPride can spend their whole weekend combing through every single word 10/23/2015 7:03:31 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25501 Posts user info edit post |
^lol
that reminds me...remember when State fans used to all bitch that the N&O was biased and hated State? UNC fans laughed at State fans for thinking the media was out to get them. And rightfully so, IMO, for the most part (although that article about College Inn was some BS). Now UNC fans say that the N&O has been biased in their coverage of this scandal and won't hear of anybody saying "hey they're just covering facts". Just funny how it changed so quickly for them. 10/23/2015 9:24:20 PM |
fenway All American 3135 Posts user info edit post |
^ Most of the hate from State fans towards the N&O was left over feelings (which were totally justified) from the Personal Fouls fall out. 10/23/2015 11:35:22 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148438 Posts user info edit post |
10/24/2015 1:29:37 AM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
~ 10/24/2015 1:38:14 AM |
dmspack oh we back 25501 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^ Most of the hate from State fans towards the N&O was left over feelings (which were totally justified) from the Personal Fouls fall out." |
Yeah I totally realize that. I was just pointing out how it's done a 180 where UNC fans are now the ones claiming local media bias after years (decades?) of making of State fans for saying that the local media was out to get us.10/24/2015 7:36:09 AM |
Dynasty2004 Bawls 5857 Posts user info edit post |
PackPride has found links to Fatz girlfriend running a a testing agency for Learning Disabilities.
Quote : | "Durham County Mental Health and Behavioral Health Services, LLC was where the LD tests were done. It was in a building on east Main Street near the Durham County Health Department. Apparently that web page has been taken down. This business now uses Fats' home address." | 10/29/2015 3:40:11 PM |
JT3bucky All American 23258 Posts user info edit post |
and it goes deeper than that...
They just have to uncover emails that steered players directly to that center...if they do that, $texas. 10/29/2015 3:47:15 PM |
ActionPants All American 9877 Posts user info edit post |
Yep, hearkens back to something mentioned in the old articles:
http://deadspin.com/former-unc-player-details-academic-fraud-says-everybo-1657041495
Quote : | "Powell says he took a paper class, and that "everybody knew" the nature of them. He also told the WJMH hosts that players were instructed to fail learning disability assessment tests so as to ensure players would be provided assistance during tests and for note-taking." |
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article9229940.html
Quote : | "In another, from Sept. 20, 2005, Walden was seeking an independent study for a student who struggled to learn. Crowder put him in a paper class despite his lacking an introductory course from the department.
“We have a student with some diagnosed learning disabilities and we are trying to help him with his reading and writing skills while also tutoring him in his current courses,” Walden wrote. “I sense that he is getting a little overwhelmed and wondered if there might be a course that you would recommend that he might still be able to add in order that he might drop one of his current courses.”" |
[Edited on October 29, 2015 at 4:21 PM. Reason : .]10/29/2015 4:20:16 PM |
fenway All American 3135 Posts user info edit post |
Those guys on Pack Pride are damn insane, but they're doing god's work. 10/29/2015 6:17:43 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
yeah, they make me feel like a lazy piece of shit for not doing some good old fashioned journalism stuff. 10/30/2015 5:34:37 AM |
Doss2k All American 18474 Posts user info edit post |
Worked out ok for them, number 1 in basketball and drivers seat for their division in football. The punishment for academic fraud for 20 years should at least make it nearly impossible to be good again for at least 20 if not 40 years. Thanks NCAA. 10/30/2015 8:23:51 AM |
jbtilley All American 12797 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Worked out ok for them, number 1 in basketball and drivers seat for their division in football. The punishment for academic fraud for 20 years should at least make it nearly impossible to be good again for at least 20 if not 40 years. Thanks NCAA." |
10/30/2015 12:19:59 PM |
AstralEngine All American 3864 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.wral.com/unc-academic-fraud-records-now-searchable-on-wral-app/15055309/#ABTAkb1HdW67S9SC.99
Well. Get to it, guys. 11/3/2015 3:24:27 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
looked up a few things, best I can tell all carolina people do all day is email articles and press back and forth to each other.
"Coach Smith" yields almost no results btw. 11/3/2015 3:26:33 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
37 of 105 Football players diagnosed with learning disabilities or ADD.
Somebody with a PP account put that over there.
11/3/2015 3:42:51 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
Roy was in the loop for the chancellor search, but don't know shit about anything but how to play basketball
[Edited on November 3, 2015 at 4:06 PM. Reason : raw20 is apparently Roy's email. Confirmed by crosschecking other emails.]
11/3/2015 4:06:14 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
I'm very curious about this "beatdown" and what sort of "treat" the player would get.
These mentor forms are gold.
11/3/2015 4:48:18 PM |