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"Because federal spending will not be cut alongside it and in fact, it will be increased."

So it seems like you are saying the stock market gains will be outpaced by the debt, which is a strong argument. The issue is that these "reasonable republican voters" see it as a binary option. Republicans who will increase the debt or democrats who will increase the debt.

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"I've not had a year-over-year raise that is higher than inflation (or even is equivalent to inflation) since I started my professional career in 2008 "

Thats all under Obama. Now do you see why so many reasonable people wanted to try something different?

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"The only way anyone who is not rich sees money from this is if the economy grows significantly simultaneously and grows enough for wages to increase."

The reasonable republicans understand this. They just rather the rich people have the money than the government have the money. The question really is that simple. These are poeple who think there is greed and corruption in both groups of people but the well-intended people in the government will waste the money all of the time while the rich INDIVIDUALS will create jobs and innovation most of the time. They also see it as a moral obligation to let the individuals do as they please with "their money". Even poor republicans feel this way.

Again, I shouldn't have to say this, but I'm just explaining how they think. This isn't how I think. The reason I hate the democrat party is because they give these people evidence that support their beliefes. I don't think government wastes money, but I do think democrats/liberals do with weak/fake policies that serve corpoerate interests.

12/10/2017 12:33:29 PM

SEE, HE DIDN'T MOLEST THIS 12 Y/O!!! - http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/364308-pro-trump-group-has-12-year-old-girl-interview-roy-moore#.Wi7sjlFlgKV.facebook

12/11/2017 4:18:22 PM

Earl thinks it’d be fine if it was consensual anyway.

12/11/2017 4:36:51 PM

http://taskandpurpose.com/russian-general-idd-ordering-actions-downing-malaysian-passenger-jet/?bsft_eid=1f30bd49-6ab1-4b13-aae4-a3d090fb9869&utm_campaign=tp_daily_monday&utm_source=blueshift&utm_medium=email&utm_content=tp_daily&bsft_pid=7985060e-adc8-4d05-8e0b-2167c969c4d7&bsft_clkid=56726c51-7bce-413e-b489-74a2285fb488&bsft_uid=81d96db6-f222-4ab3-be92-cabd74a03bf7&bsft_mid=52462265-f622-43ba-b7fc-9cfe8193e705&bsft_pp=2

http://taskandpurpose.com/blackwater-eric-prince-afghan-war-plan/?bsft_eid=1f30bd49-6ab1-4b13-aae4-a3d090fb9869&utm_campaign=tp_daily_monday&utm_source=blueshift&utm_medium=email&utm_content=tp_daily&bsft_pid=9619357d-adfc-4d4a-8f01-6bead9c92f2d&bsft_clkid=da2e8aef-048e-48be-94b2-410b78faa282&bsft_uid=81d96db6-f222-4ab3-be92-cabd74a03bf7&bsft_mid=52462265-f622-43ba-b7fc-9cfe8193e705&bsft_pp=8

12/11/2017 5:36:30 PM

a 12 year old and a 16 year old are not the same thing so go ahead and walk that back by saying you were just joking...

12/11/2017 6:30:30 PM

Lol

12/11/2017 10:56:03 PM

What's the Vegas line on Roy Moore getting elected today?

12/12/2017 7:43:06 AM

https://youtu.be/9qmcyucT6y4?t=450

At 7:32 my jaw dropped.

12/12/2017 10:53:48 AM

In more "It's 2017 and nothing makes sense anymore" news, Roy Moore had a speaker at his rally tell a story about how they went to a brothel that had underage girls. Now Roy and this guy left, even though the girls were "very pretty" but were cool with their buddy staying the night.

(Relevant to this is that Roy Moore was the commander of the 188th MP Company, he could have made the 3rd guy leave the underage brothel with them)

The crowd was laughing at this story about child sex slaves

Vietnam buddy tells Aabama rally about visiting child brothel with Roy Moore: ‘Some were very young’
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/vietnam-buddy-tells-alabama-rally-about-visiting-child-brothel-with-roy-moore-some-were-very-young/



Brietbart is of course describing this as, "Moving character testimony."



Republicans, what the ever-loving fuck is wrong with you people?!

12/12/2017 11:27:05 AM

So the story is that Roy Moore left the brothel but didn't shut it down and end child prostitution in Vietnam once and for all?

12/12/2017 11:57:30 AM

that he went to a brothel, that the underage girls were "very pretty," that he was okay with his friend staying there, that they brought in this guy to even tell this story for the first place, etc...

fuck, got earl'd

12/12/2017 12:10:26 PM

^^^^Anyone know what Moore says in Russian just after the 7:32 mark? Just curious.

12/12/2017 12:22:30 PM

"hello, how are you" although i think it translates more literally to "good morning" instead of "hello" if i'm hearing it correctly

edit: nm, heard it wrong, it's "hello" just a diff word for it

[Edited on December 12, 2017 at 12:30 PM. Reason : a]

12/12/2017 12:27:13 PM

^Thanks! I figured it would be something mundane.

12/12/2017 12:28:53 PM

No matter what happens today, the GOP is kinda fucked by this election.

Moore wins, and the entire nation is disgusted and outraged and nobody will shut up about it, which could possibly energize young liberals to actually got off their asses to vote for a change.

He loses, and it sends a huge message to the GOP that creeps and sexual predators have been put on notice.

I'm predicting a Moore 'W', because I've lost all faith in humanity though

12/12/2017 12:29:29 PM

Moore's wife says no way they're anti-Semites, they have a Jewish lawyer.

12/12/2017 2:33:34 PM

is alabama a southwestern cowboy state?

12/12/2017 3:09:06 PM

https://deadspin.com/roy-moore-doesnt-even-ride-a-horse-well-1821227240

12/12/2017 3:29:26 PM

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" Moore wins, and the entire nation is disgusted and outraged and nobody will shut up about it, which could possibly energize young liberals to actually got off their asses to vote for a change. "

so youre telling me that liberals will vote liberal if alabama elects a republican senator? hot take

12/12/2017 4:00:35 PM

if you didn't have an aphasia and could actually read, you'd realize that I was talking about lazy millennial liberals that don't vote.

12/12/2017 6:05:22 PM

so lazy liberals who werent energized by trump allegations are going to suddenly become energized because republicans in alabama treated moore allegations exactly the same way?

ironically, what kind of person insults someone for/jokes about a disability? allegedly trump

12/12/2017 6:32:10 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/republicans-reach-compromise-tax-plan-expanding-tax-cuts-for-the-wealthy/2017/12/13/4f9ca66c-e028-11e7-bbd0-9dfb2e37492a_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-low_tax-bill-1245pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.fc9341b93ea7

12/13/2017 1:30:58 PM

Can someone explain to me how Kansas is not an example of the failure of GOP tax policy?

12/13/2017 1:44:37 PM

Didn't their budget and economy go to complete shit?

12/13/2017 1:54:05 PM

^^It definitely is but its about as strong as the tired capitalist argument using failed communist economies as examples against government programs.

It'd be in better wisdom to explain what needs to be done with the money and how that would be more effective than the tax cuts because the money IS currently being wasted. That is why I think dangerous are so dangerous. They give government programs a bad name with policy that has been compromised by special interests.

12/14/2017 1:08:18 AM

When are you going to change your sn to stevebannon?

12/14/2017 7:12:18 AM

McCain, McConnell, and Trump's lawyer make the case for waiting for Doug Jones on the tax cuts bill
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/14/1724119/-McCain-McConnell-and-Trump-s-lawyer-make-the-case-for-waiting-for-Doug-Jones-on-the-tax-cuts-bill?detail=facebook

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"Sen. John McCain, on January 20, 2010, had this to say about the Senate halting work on the Affordable Care Act until Sen.-elect Scott Brown (R-MA) could be seated. So here we are, and now the rumors are that they will jam this proposal through the House of Representatives and then bypass what has always been the normal legislative process. They should not do that. The American people have spoken. The people of Massachusetts have spoken for the rest of America: Stop this process, sit down in open and transparent negotiations, and let's begin from the beginning. Here's Mitch McConnell, that same day on the Senate floor: “We need to move in a new direction—a dramatically new direction. That is the message of Virginia. That is the message of New Jersey. That is the message of Massachusetts.”"

lol

12/14/2017 12:08:26 PM

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/14/farenthold-wont-seek-reelection-after-sexual-harassment-allegations-295492



[Edited on December 14, 2017 at 12:54 PM. Reason : ]

12/14/2017 12:44:29 PM

Quote :

"When are you going to change your sn to stevebannon?"

prolly as soon as I transfer over to the other side of the horseshoe. I must be close!

12/14/2017 11:34:08 PM

What’s the GOP end goal here with Mueller? I mean the FBI Director is a Republican. So was the old one. So is the special counsel. I’m not even sure what their goal is? Only Trump fanboys can investigate Trump? Do they want Don Jr to run it?

12/16/2017 5:06:41 PM

Trump's goal is to end the investigation.

The GOP's goal is to keep him in office long enough to pass all their policies.

The Trump base's goal is to turn our nation into a heterosexual male, white, christian autocracy.

At the moment, the GOP thinks it's okay to utilize the support of the base to get their policies passed. If you look in history, when this happens, things go very wrong.

[Edited on December 16, 2017 at 5:14 PM. Reason : a]

12/16/2017 5:07:53 PM

Why are multiple GOP congressman calling for the deputy director of the FBI to be fired? If they voted to confirm Wray why the fuck should they interject into his affairs at all.

12/19/2017 12:12:43 PM

^see my post above yours lol

12/19/2017 2:28:24 PM

Theres theories floating on twitter trump is just trying to discredit the investigation to pardon who he can afterward (seems like Mueller has structured the plea deals to be state-level charges, which trump can't pardon).

This also serves maybe even minimally to keep the base voting for Trumpism where they otherwise wouldnt

Even with some vocal complicit GOPers in congress i can't see how firing mueller would work out for Trump/GOP

12/20/2017 12:58:44 PM

I love all the "attaboys" going around. Trump actually said, "we're warriors together".

YOU HAVE ALL THE VOTES YOU NEED IN YOUR OWN FUCKING PARTY, congratulations on winning the fight against yourselves.

12/20/2017 5:14:10 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/business/corporations-tax-cut-gop-tax-bill/?utm_term=.281dbeb91cf4

Quote :

"President Trump and Republicans have repeatedly sold their tax bill to the public as a way to make American businesses more competitive so companies will turn around and hire more workers and raise wages. Critics of the plan say the massive reduction in the corporate tax rate from 35 to 21 percent, among other changes favoring business, will lead to more money in the hands of shareholders. The Washington Post looked at what America’s 20 largest companies in the Fortune 500 say about taxes. Nearly all have vocally supported the GOP bill. Many say at least some of the extra money would probably go to shareholders via higher dividends. Other popular plans for additional cash include: looking for other companies to buy and paying down debt. Only two — AT&T and CVS — have made explicit promises to hire workers. Apple and Kroger executives have made vague statements that they would probably hire more people. Not a single company has said it will raise wages, although AT&T announced a one-time special bonus for workers after Trump signs the bill."

I think Exxon's is my favorite:

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"EXXON MOBIL Negative tax rate last year, although in other years, Exxon has paid as high as 33 percent. Priority is dividends. Exxon Mobil Vice President of Investor Relations Jeffrey Woodbury said in October: “The first things that are being funded are our dividends and our investment program. And if there’s any cash left at that point given that the corporation does not want to hold large cash reserves, it’s at that point that we will look for what the next best thing is. And maybe if we have some debt maturing, we’ll pay that debt down.”"

12/20/2017 6:19:04 PM

Quote :

"Other popular plans for additional cash include: looking for other companies to buy and paying down debt. Only two — AT&T and CVS — have made explicit promises to hire workers. Apple and Kroger executives have made vague statements that they would probably hire more people. Not a single company has said it will raise wages, although AT&T announced a one-time special bonus for workers after Trump signs the bill.""

they are claiming that the other money would go to increased innovation, which leads to new "spinoff" growth. If you're not hiring more people, and you're increasing profit, you're either becoming a better investment (drawing in even more money), lowering prices, increasing volume, r&d, or making better shit in general. This is how capitalism works. The money isn't supposed to flow down.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/20/fifth-third-bancorp-unveils-bonuses-minimum-wage-hike-after-tax-bill-passage.html

BUT OH NO MAH NARRATIVE

[Edited on December 20, 2017 at 8:04 PM. Reason : k]

12/20/2017 7:43:57 PM

Earl hates capitalism until Trump supports it.

12/20/2017 8:22:23 PM

Would have been awesome if the tax cut came with a min-wage increase. But that would have made too much sense and satisfied too many parties and groups. Can't have that!

12/21/2017 9:10:40 AM

I mean, it would have been nice if the tax cuts had come with a reduction in government spending. Then they should have made the non-corporate tax cuts permanent, and every one actually would win.

+1 for conservative credibility though, below, haha:

12/21/2017 10:22:50 AM

^
https://www.socialistra.org/

12/21/2017 12:53:33 PM

Damnit, probably on some watch list now after clicking that

12/21/2017 1:11:08 PM

Quote :

"The money isn't supposed to flow down."

Pretty sure that's what republicans have been selling since the 80's.

12/21/2017 3:43:34 PM

12/21/2017 4:18:16 PM

Those bonus payments are horseshit. They're one-time bonuses, the employees will clear maybe 600 after taxes and they are a drop in the bucket compared to what will be distributed back to shareholders.

I'm not saying you have to give it to your employees. But that money isn't going to go into infrastructure, innovation and research investments within their respective companies, it's going to be flipped to their shareholders via dividends.

Good on the minimum wage raises though, that's definitely solid. Now we'll just wait and see how many employees they fire to "manage costs."

12/21/2017 4:35:44 PM

Wells Fargo almost has to do this after the beating they took this year, then again because of that I take their 'announcement' with a grain of salt.

12/21/2017 5:02:44 PM

i hate capitalism all the time but at the same time realize we live in a capitalist system with a capitalist president who was elected to bring capitalist growth.

12/21/2017 5:55:24 PM

I'm okay with some of the corporate tax changes, but the idea that this will trickle down to workers is nonsense. You can't say "$15/hr minimum wage is bad because companies will replace workers with robots" and also say "tax savings are good because companies will benevolently pass that money to workers" at the same time

12/21/2017 6:14:36 PM

how some are still able to fall for obvious PR...

12/21/2017 6:32:55 PM

I am really enjoying watching the evolution of the liberal meltdown.

"If this passes, you're going to die." ... "Ok, you won't die but the billionaires are gonna take all your money." ... "Fine, they're giving you bonuses, but it's only for PR."

12/22/2017 9:26:29 AM