This thread concers both other ones that are currently ongoing. But it cannot be combined with any. Therefore i will go ahead and make a new one in hope of hearing your honest oppinions about the situation:
I have a friend whos's an RA. i would like to keep his name undisclosed just because he would get in trouble if the authorities found out i made this tread. Just to keep his name clear, i am doing this on my own will without his persuation. Anyway, he's an RA. He spoke up against The RA who wrote up all of those poor kids in Alexander. Now he's on the verge of losing his job, his RA position, because he expressed his freedom of speech and it went against University Housing policies of employment blah blah blah. As of right now, University Housing put a gag order on him, saying he is not allowed to speak up about the situation and if he does, he is up for grounds of immediate termination. As a friend i must post this tread for him and i hope there are people out there that agree with me on the point that what University Housing is doing is wrong and FIRING someone for expressing their opinion is cruel and unusual punnisment and goes against UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.
P.S. if anyone knows who i'm talking about, please DO NOT disclose this person.

11/4/2005 7:02:56 PM

i don't think he should be fired

but folks have been fired for stupider reasons

11/4/2005 7:05:35 PM

read a book

learn some english

11/4/2005 7:07:15 PM

didnt read it

11/4/2005 7:07:32 PM

english sucks

learn l33t $p33k instead

11/4/2005 7:08:05 PM

if you dont have something valuable to say, dont say it.

11/4/2005 7:10:22 PM

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"FIRING someone for expressing their opinion is cruel and unusual punnisment and goes against UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. "

haha, um no it's not, and no it doesn't

with that said, he should be given the right to dissent if he wishes, and if he is professional about it in a closed door meeting, that should not be grounds to be fired

11/4/2005 7:12:22 PM

u wanna back that up with facts?

11/4/2005 7:13:49 PM

if you work for a company, and you go around bad mouthing it, they can fire you. very constitutional

11/4/2005 7:18:18 PM

but he did not bad mouth a company. he "bad mouthed" an employess of theirs that went looking for trouble.

11/4/2005 7:19:47 PM

Its like this, you halfway outed your friend because now we all know that its a HE and not a SHE, thereby exhonorating all females. Furthermore, only a handful probably spoke up... further limiting the pool. YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID.

but any way....

You CAN fire someone for their opinion. its not a violation of the 8th ammendment. To say so would be fucking stupid. However, it may be grounds for a wrongful termination law suit. But, like i said you can fire someone for their opinions if they differ from the employer's. The only way to win wrongful termination suits are to prove the firing was on the grounds of race, creed, religion, ethnicity, sexuality, gender, etc. OR if it is found to be in breach of contract.

But honestly, you are fucking stupid. The constitution is there to protect the citizenry from the GOVERNMENT not civil matters.

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 7:21 PM. Reason : ]

11/4/2005 7:20:53 PM

well NCSU is t3h gubment...

11/4/2005 7:22:50 PM

i hope you're proud of yourself and how cool you are "puck_it". how about you come tell me to my face that i'm fucking stupid? cant wait

11/4/2005 7:23:31 PM

as in regards to the post, so far the general opinion is: fire the RA because he thought what the other RA did was wrong? am i getting it right?

11/4/2005 7:25:17 PM

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"how about you come tell me to my face that i'm fucking stupid? cant wait"

Classic Blunder: Land War in Asia

11/4/2005 7:25:35 PM

^^^^the matter is still civil.

^^^^I'm not trying to be cool, im fucking telling you that you are a fucking moron that you believe this is a constitutional violation. how the fuck did you even get into college. AND HOLY SHIT could you have any more typographical errors?

tell me where the fuck you're at and ill fucking tell you my opinion.

YOU'RE FUCKING STUPID.



[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 7:26 PM. Reason : ^]

11/4/2005 7:25:54 PM

big words, i hope you can back them up.

11/4/2005 7:27:00 PM

i really do

11/4/2005 7:27:30 PM

^no, THESE ARE BIG WORDS

im still apaulled that you think his case has any merit. While i dont believe that it was right, he doesnt have a legal leg to stand on.

11/4/2005 7:28:50 PM

so you're saying that if he brings in lawyers they will not be able to get any ground and that the university is right no matter what?

11/4/2005 7:29:47 PM

unless its in his contract, he's going against his employers beliefs and therefore they have the right to terminate his employment.

11/4/2005 7:30:44 PM

but, as high as this issue has escalated, dont you thing that firing him would just add more to the issue?

11/4/2005 7:31:55 PM

NERDDOME

TWO MEN ENTER, ONE MAN LEAVES

11/4/2005 7:33:06 PM

^ buy yourself a cookie

11/4/2005 7:33:37 PM

it doesnt matter what he thinks, hes just trying to say that the university can fire him if they want

11/4/2005 7:34:27 PM

^^buy me the cookie, bitch

11/4/2005 7:35:51 PM

but it's such a wrong thing to do, put his ass on probation or something, all he did is speak up against the actions of the other RA, there are many students on this campus who thing that what happened was wrong, so are they going to punish everyone?

11/4/2005 7:35:53 PM

11/4/2005 7:36:27 PM

and again, does this mean that all of us should enter into a widespread panic and remove all of our pictures off the internet for the sake of not being written up?

11/4/2005 7:37:03 PM

11/4/2005 7:38:48 PM

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"He spoke up against The RA who wrote up all of those poor kids in Alexander."

OMG, those poor kids! Won't someone please think of the children?!

Boo hoo. They did something illegal and should be punished for it. What's the point of even having laws otherwise?

11/4/2005 7:40:42 PM

so you think that looking for pictures on the web and writing people up for it is the cool thing to do?

11/4/2005 7:42:08 PM

Maybe people should not be so foolish as to knowingly post legally compromising photos of themselves on a publicly-accessible website. I don't have any problem with people NARCing. I don't think the defense that "it's not a cool thing to do" would hold up too well in court. Evidence is evidence. I'd like to say "Lesson learned," but I know it will not be.

You are probably right, though. Doing "the cool thing" should probably be one of our primary moral measuring sticks.

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 7:55 PM. Reason : ]

11/4/2005 7:54:03 PM

do you realize that there's not that many people in this university who dont have self incriminating pictures somewhere on the web?

11/4/2005 7:55:44 PM

Non sequitur.

11/4/2005 7:56:26 PM

who the fuck cares if it's cool or not... they got caught... i spent 2 years living on campus and never got in trouble for the many nights i spent drinking in my suite... then again, i didn't have a bunch of fucking pictures of my illegal activities on the internet with my name and shit beside it...

if i post pictures of me taking a sledgehammer to some guy's car and that gets me caught, i fucking deserve every bit of punishment for doing illegal shit and then posting pictures of it on the internet...

As far as your friend goes, he has no legal claim as far as what is going on. Any employer has the right to place a gag order on any or all employees concerning internal situations. If he violates said gag order, he is subject to termination. He can try to claim wrongful termination, but no lawyer would take the case since it isn't wrongful termination in any way shape or form.

And technically, if they have placed a gag order on him over this, then if he does decide to continue talking about it, his termination would be for violating a direct order from his employer (insubordination) and not for his opinion.

11/4/2005 7:57:21 PM

is that a no?

11/4/2005 7:57:30 PM

seems pretty gay to me that they would do that, but they can, internet is public domain. And those people participated in illegal activities so its their own damn fault really. So if you are underage and choose to drink or do other illegal activity, you are responsible for any trail you leave.

If you don't do anything illegal then you don't fucking have anything to worry about. Jesus, I mean I drank underage, and I paid for the consequences on multiple occasions.

So these people to need to man up and take their punishment and you need to shut your fuckin mouth.

11/4/2005 7:57:33 PM

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"u wanna back that up with facts? "

I'm gonna guess that you are foreign.

First of all, you don't understand the constitution. Cruel and unusual punishment is like when someone gets caught selling a quarter ounce of weed and gets 20years, it is far beyond the established precedent. The ra did not commit a crime, and is not being sentenced, although you may think him being fired is punishment, it's different

Secondly, NC is an employment at will state, which means you can be fired at any time for any cause.

Third, you don't know the english language that well.

Once again, I don't think your friend should be fired if he dissented politely behind closed doors; however, please don't act like some foreigner is going to tell me about american laws and policies, thanks
/wmvlad007



[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 8:01 PM. Reason : typo]

11/4/2005 7:59:28 PM

that is not an answer. i dont see any credible references.

11/4/2005 8:01:10 PM

sorry, but all of us americans know im right, im not gonna waste my time finding you sources if you care try this

google: north carolina employment at will state
google: definition cruel and unusual punishment
google: help, im lost!

11/4/2005 8:04:12 PM

so are you a racist prejudice mofo? wow i hope you're proud of yourself.

11/4/2005 8:04:21 PM

where did i come across as racist or prejudice, it's funny you say that bc im not at all, you could be from england for all i know, however I guessed that you weren't from america bc you have no idea about the nature of the laws you tried to cite, thanks, seriously leave this site

11/4/2005 8:05:39 PM

^^No the hell he's not, but he is assuming that you are foreign and unfamiliar with the laws here, because anybody with an ounce of common sense and awareness knows this. go look it up yourself if you want references you prick, and

STOP BEATING THIS INTO THE FUCKING GROUND

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 8:07 PM. Reason : A]

11/4/2005 8:06:01 PM

listen buddy just cut this shit out and stay to the topic.

11/4/2005 8:06:13 PM

go play disc golf kid

11/4/2005 8:08:01 PM

^^^thanks man, i mean anyone that knows me at all would say that im not racist in anyway i would think.....
here are your answers

n00b

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 8:10 PM. Reason : afds]

11/4/2005 8:08:02 PM

YAY!!!

IBTL

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 8:11 PM. Reason : q]

11/4/2005 8:09:33 PM

by the way moron, it's friday night, i'm off to have fun, you do the same....on WOLFWEB!!! yay

11/4/2005 8:10:13 PM

that's the best thing you've said yet.....please do not come back


the only people worried about being out by 8, are those that are worried about being back by 12:30, see ya

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 8:11 PM. Reason : fsd]

11/4/2005 8:10:40 PM