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Sadly the ones that I found are not the Turbine LP (I actually went as high as $100 on ebay for some red ones and got outbidded )

The ones that I got are the Prodigy XC, but they look almost the same. I am just in love with the red RaceFace cranks. ohh well...my stubborn build piece.

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 11:37 PM. Reason : .]

1/26/2009 11:36:55 PM

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My brother picked up the Jamis frame today. Said that it looked brand new, with only a few marks here and there (probably from storage). I'm pumped about building it. I now need to e-mail Jamis to get the specs, so that I can start buying frame specific parts.

1/28/2009 12:31:23 PM

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what year and model is it?

1/28/2009 1:18:00 PM

Toyota4x4
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I believe that it is an 06 Dakar XC Comp

1/28/2009 1:21:06 PM

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Front derailleur: 31.8mm, top pull
BB: 68x 113 (im pretty sure on this...)
Seatpost: 27.2mm


NOW ORDER THEM PARTS!!

1/28/2009 1:28:06 PM

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How did you get the specs that quick? I have already e-mailed Jamis.

I assume the rear triangle is set up for a 135mm hub/wheel.
I need to know how much travel the frame can handle.
I assume that it is a 1 1/8 threadless head tube.
And lastly, I assume that a bottom swing, top pull front derailleur would work.

If your specs are correct, its kinda odd having a 31.8mm front derailleur, but only a 27.2mm seatpost.

1/28/2009 1:34:15 PM

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135mm rear spacing
1-1/8" headset
90mm rear travel

i would go top swing, top pull on the front derailleur. this will give you more chainring clearance (just in case)

as for the seatpost dia. v front der clamp dia. keep in mind that the seat tube will be at least 2 mm thick..on both sides 27.2mm (seatpost) + ~4mm frame material = 31.2mm.....so give or take a bit on tubing and there ya go...

also, derailleurs are only made in two clamp sizes and most come with shims to fit to specific frames, thus the increased reason for 31.8mm size

[Edited on January 28, 2009 at 1:58 PM. Reason : ]

1/28/2009 1:51:21 PM

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I still would like to know where you are getting these answers from. I am trying to dl the 2006 Jamis Catalog, but it is saying it is a missing file.

What about front fork travel? I assume 100mm, but was curious if the frame would allow for 120mm.

1/28/2009 5:16:08 PM

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Jamis has its old catalogs archived. File isnt missing.

Running a 120mm fork prob shouldnt bobo it up too much

Set the sag a bit soft so you sit more into its travel...even the front and rear out a bit

1/28/2009 5:29:50 PM

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mtbr has some bad reviews for both the XT and LX front der.

does anyone have any experience with these...i have an old school XT front and have had no problems with it

2/12/2009 5:53:56 PM

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lx generally come on the lower tiers of "real" (ie. non-walmart) bikes. xt generally comes on intermediate tiers of bikes. xtr generally comes on high end bikes. that said, i've always had lx with no complaints.

2/12/2009 5:59:02 PM

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the 2008 XT models are awesome. The derailleurs, shifters and levers had a major overhaul and are very nice. Actually, i have no idea if the front derailleur was changed, but the rear was and the shifters and brakes levers were changed a lot.

My wife got a new bike last summer that came with XT, and it convinced me to buy a whole XT set to retrofit my older bike.

2/12/2009 7:07:34 PM

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My specialized hard rock sport got real fucked up. I'm going to take it in the all star bikes to get an estimate but is there anyone here that can fix almost all parts of a bike? The tires are new and the frame and fork are good but pretty much everything else is a little messed up. Anyone willing to give me an estimate once I take it to All-star and see what needs to be done? I'll probably end up buying parts online so its strictly labor, unless you happen to have some good used parts you're willing to part with (I will post what I need soon).

2/12/2009 7:15:38 PM

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what's wrong with it? nothing on a bike is particularly complicated. if its a fairly new bike, chances are it just the cables a have stretched and you need to pull the slack out and readjust calipers and derailleurs. you should be able to figure out how to do it fairly quickly if you have any mechanical inclination whatsoever. even if not, check out http://www.sheldonbrown.com/ and follow the instructions there.

2/12/2009 8:52:36 PM

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eh, if you haven't worked on bikes before, and this one is "fucked up" or whatever, you probably do want someone else to do it.
I know the former head mechanic of Inside-Out Sports who does real estate now and still fixes bikes on the side. He charges less than most of the shops, but does good work. PM me if you want his contact

2/12/2009 9:38:17 PM

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Thanks I'm going to see what the estimate is from All star bikes and then my dad know a mexican guy that fixes bikes too so if they charge too much I'll try that guy.

2/12/2009 10:11:15 PM

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2/12/2009 10:28:17 PM

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Yeah, I take mtbr reviews with a grain of salt. Some people that post on there ride 100's of miles a week, which I will not be doing. Since the price difference between an LX and XT front der. is minimal, I will probably stick with the XT.

2/13/2009 12:45:09 PM

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Hey I got a friend (male, 5'10"ish) who wants to buy a mountain bike...preferably under $200. If you have something like that send me a pm

2/13/2009 12:50:08 PM

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Does anyone know of any trails out in the Burlington, maybe Greensboro, area?

2/15/2009 4:12:38 PM

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owls roost
bur mill
strawberry ridge
country park
higgins lake
reedy fork

2/16/2009 7:20:14 AM

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Lake Cammack is listed on mtbr.com as a Burlington trail.

2/16/2009 10:37:53 AM

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any good [off-road] biking magazines ya'll would suggest? i am not reneving my trial subscription to Bike. Not raW enough, a bit on the ghay side, and in general reads like a catalog for overpriced bikes. I would be more interested in riding spots, techniques, etc as well as whole bike subculture [i b a relative n00b to the scene], as opposed to learning how to build expensive bikes that i will never ride to full potential.

2/16/2009 3:46:08 PM

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yeah, i subscribed to bike magazine back in the day, like mid-to-late 90s

it always seemed more like a literary journal related to biking than an actual bike magazine

good to see they kept the tradition alive

2/16/2009 3:57:30 PM

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I use to get Mountain Bike Action and really enjoyed it. I was in high school at the time, so I know that I was not reading literary works. I first learned how to bunny hop and bounce on my back tire with Mountain Bike Action. I also learned how to taco a rim real quick trying to 360 on a full size mtn bike. haha.

However, I don't really recall them going into trails around here. I would always highlight bigger, better known trails.

2/17/2009 10:55:49 AM

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I have a Raleigh Mojave 08 Extra Large frame that I just bought from Cyclelogic for under 600. It's a really nice bike, with disc brakes, a decent fork. I've been riding around Shelly lake near Six Forks and the trails a fairly challenging in certain areas. Luckily my fork is half decent so I can speed over some of the nasty roots on the trail without losing my grip or flying over the handlebars. So far I'm quite pleased with my bike.

2/17/2009 1:07:32 PM

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bttt to keep this thread open

still building up the Jamis, but ran out of xmas money and law school doesn't pay well. Will have to wait to beginning of summer to get the rest of the parts...wheels, fork, brakes, saddle, seatpost, and fd missing, but if I could just get the wheels, fork, brakes, and fd I could use my old saddle and seatpost temporarily.

2/26/2009 10:27:20 AM

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finally got back on the bike this morning after a 5 month hiatus. I puked on the side of the trail, that was a first. Now I have a headache.

I also randomly tipped over while talking to some people at the trailhead. I was just standing there, and the next thing i knew i was on my ass. I have no idea what happened, be everyone was pretty entertained.

[Edited on March 8, 2009 at 6:35 PM. Reason : .]

3/8/2009 6:31:08 PM

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A former head mechanic from inside-out sports almost killed me chopping down a pine tree at his house in Ch Hill. Interesting guy, nice collection of bike stuff, good beer, total space cadet.

3/9/2009 4:02:45 AM

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Went home this past week and finally got to see all the parts that I have been ordering for the Jamis build...the componentry is going to be sweet. Not to mention there is a silver, black and red color scheme

3/16/2009 12:07:16 PM

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I've been doing some work to my Jamis Dakar XLT 2.0 this past weekend.

I bought a new SRAM 9 speed cassette, XTR chain, XT crankset, LX integrated Hydraulic brakes/shifters.

Took it to Umstead yesterday to ride in the rain and it all worked great! Ended up SWIMMING across crabtree creek though with my bike. It's usually only like 2 inches deep and about 5-10 feet wide...It was definitely about 30feet wide and 6' deep, haha.

3/16/2009 3:33:44 PM

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though some would argue that the point isnt that big of a deal, SRAM and Shitmano spend a lot of time making sure that shift ramps are designed to work (more) perfectly with like-brand components

not saying that you will have any issues with the combination of brands, but normally, i try to stick to the same brand throughout the parts group (SRAM ftw)

just a little something to think about should you ever start to experience shifting issues, when everything else seems to be working how it should

$0.02.....

3/16/2009 4:21:58 PM

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ha! he made a funny when he said shitmano! hahaha! funny!

3/17/2009 9:20:54 PM

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For the average biker there is nothing wrong with Shimano. I might be able to understand a professional racer or someone who frequently races using SRAM and hating Shimano, but otherwise not much difference for the average racer.

3/19/2009 9:27:52 AM

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Looking for a new bike this spring. What do you guys think of these two bikes:
2009 GT Zaskar Elite:
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=26583&subcategory_ID=3050

2008 GT Zaskar Expert:
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=25790&subcategory_ID=3050

It looks like the front shock is the main difference, but I'd like for someone who knows more about the current component groups to compare/contrast them if anyone can do it. The Reba SL fork on the Expert model would be better than the Tora on the Elite model, right?

Anyone know of any specific examples that would be better in the same price range?

[Edited on March 30, 2009 at 1:54 PM. Reason : l]

3/30/2009 1:45:03 PM

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i think my wife had that model for her first bike a couple years ago.
it was a fine bike, but I don't think it's worth $1400, and I'm still not sure about the $1200 sale price. Seems like for $1200 you could at least get something with dual suspension, if that's what you want.

apart from that, I don't actually have anything constructive to offer....

3/30/2009 1:49:17 PM

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I want a hardtail.

3/30/2009 1:54:34 PM

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ok, well in that case - one thing about my wife's Zaskar was that it was incredibly heavy for a small hardtail. But maybe you have to spend more to get something lighter, i dunno

3/30/2009 2:40:42 PM

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$1200 for full Deore LX groupo?

3/30/2009 11:36:50 PM

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That is the reason I am building my bike. I will likely be under $1200 for everything with RaceFace, XT, and easton components; probably Avid BB7 brakes; haven't decided on the fork; haven't decided on the wheels.

3/31/2009 3:10:27 PM

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Well, components are of less concern to me than the frame and fork to be honest. I have a Giant XTC with LX components now, but the frame flexes like crazy and I've always disliked it for that reason. I'm a big guy and when I'm cranking on the pedals I don't want to feel the bottom bracket flexing or hear the big chainring rubbing the derailleur on every stroke. I figure I can upgrade any component that breaks or doesn't seem up-to-par, but I'm not going to drop $1200 on a complete bike and then go out and buy a $500 fork or $1000 frame. That just doesn't make any sense.

I don't mind building a bike, but doing things a la carte has always been much more expensive from what I've seen in the past unless you're talking about using eBay/Craigslist/etc. for your parts. What kind of frame/fork/wheelset do you think you're going to get and still end up with less than $1200 in it?

Oh yeah...Who likes 29ers and why?

[Edited on March 31, 2009 at 4:28 PM. Reason : l]

[Edited on March 31, 2009 at 4:28 PM. Reason : l]

3/31/2009 4:23:39 PM

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Can anyone suggest a bike that you think is better in the same price range?

3/31/2009 4:58:48 PM

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I forget what the part is called. Its on the back tire and the chain sits on it, moving the chain on it makes you change gears.
Anyways this part never seems to stay in good condition causing me to only be able to used 1 or 2 of my gears which gets real annoying. I know the chain loosening does this too but I usually get them replaced at the same time. Do they make this part with better metal so it doesn't wear out so fast?

3/31/2009 6:24:38 PM

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It's called a derailleur. They make them in various qualities. Even a cheap one should function though. More than likely the cable is out of adjustment rather than the derailleur actually wearing out.

3/31/2009 7:37:34 PM

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also wouldnt hurt to pull the cage apart and clean the pulleys (teeth and bearing caps)

3/31/2009 7:54:33 PM

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^^^learn to adjust your derailleur. its not hard to figure out.

[Edited on March 31, 2009 at 10:13 PM. Reason : .]

3/31/2009 10:12:52 PM

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The derailleur never gave me problems, the part they kept replacing was



The black concentric rings with teeth that the chain sits on. I could only usually use one or two from it after a while.

3/31/2009 10:24:03 PM

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that's your cassette. It shouldn't wear out, but it's not unheard of if you get really, really cheap ones (that looks like a really, really cheap bike, so.... it's possible)

btw, I assume you have taken the nut off of the axle and removed the derailleur for this picture?

[Edited on March 31, 2009 at 10:28 PM. Reason : .]

also, as a general rule, whenever you replace the cassette, you'll want to replace the chain too. But, again, you shouldn't really be replacing your cassette unless you're putting serious milage on the bike.

[Edited on March 31, 2009 at 10:30 PM. Reason : .]

3/31/2009 10:27:40 PM

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That's the cassette. I've put thousands of miles on a bike with a cheap Shimano cassette and it was fine. I guess maybe if it's a Huffy or something you might want to upgrade.

3/31/2009 10:28:34 PM

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Thats not a picture of my bike but every time my gears slipped the guys at All Star Bikes would change the chain a lot and occasionally the cassette.

3/31/2009 10:38:25 PM

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