If the situation were reversed say at a inner school in LA; weeks of "racial tension" resulted in 6 white students banning together and beating up a black student. I guarantee Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be having protests demanding justice and maximum punishment to the students involved in the beating.

9/20/2007 3:15:51 PM

you killed kenny

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 3:16 PM. Reason : you bastards]

9/20/2007 3:15:58 PM

9/20/2007 3:17:15 PM

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"while, the guy who pulled the shotgun, the kids who attacked one of the black guys in jail at the party, and the kids who hung the nooses have all been free and haven't been charged with anything "

Well in this situation the protests should be about this. Not that the Jena 6 felt compelled by white oppression to beat up a fellow student and should be let off the hook.

9/20/2007 3:17:35 PM

Well... that isn't what the protest is about

I've atually said this before

you guys are just being retarded on purpose, or you need help

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 3:19 PM. Reason : fuck it]

9/20/2007 3:18:51 PM

haha, these idiots behind us think we want to help. hahahahahaha

9/20/2007 3:18:52 PM

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"I guarantee Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be having protests demanding justice and maximum punishment to the students involved in the beating."

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton don't represent all black people, no matter how much the press makes it seem that way. There's a legitimate complaint about unequal enforcement of the law that merits attention without either of them being involved.

What those two would do in some hypothetical scenario you invented has no bearing on this case. I'm only interested in the fair enforcement, meaning that the whites who also committed crimes are hit with appropriate charges. They've been walking around free for months while these kids sat in jail awaiting trial. If the white kids had been punished appropriately, I (and many of other people who aren't named Jackson and Sharpton) wouldn't be nearly as pissed about this.

9/20/2007 3:28:41 PM

what the hell DO YOU WANT?

should the white kid be in jail for getting jumped by six people?

should they be in jail for tying a rope to a branch?

what is it that you want?

9/20/2007 3:32:55 PM

The white kids that attacked the black dude at the aprty should be in jail, the guy that pulled the shotgun on the kids should be in jail, the kids who tied the nooses to the tree should be charged, and all this should have happened months ago. so what they want is to change things

p.s. you're a huge douche bag

9/20/2007 3:35:08 PM

youre so good at calling me names.

by your logic, me and 5 of my friends should be able to go kick your ass now and not get in trouble for it.

9/20/2007 3:40:19 PM

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"the kids who tied the nooses to the tree should be charged"

Charged with what?

"Public hanging of a noose"

Last time I checked, the kids didn't break any laws, so what in the fuck do you want them to be charged with?

9/20/2007 3:41:56 PM

^ oh please, they weren't just "tying a rope on a branch," they were sending a very specific message and they knew that at the time

that incident alone could've easily been tried as a FEDERAL hate crime aside from the laws in Louisiana barring similar behavior

^^And no, by his logic, you'd get in trouble, just as these white fuck-ups should ALSO be in trouble for the dumb shit they did.

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 3:42 PM. Reason : .]

9/20/2007 3:42:01 PM

^^^no, that's YOUR logic - you're the only one saying stupid douche bag shit like that

do yourself a favor and shut the fuck up, you're not fooling anybody



[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 3:43 PM. Reason : karots]

9/20/2007 3:42:33 PM

Once again, hanging a noose is neither a hate crime, or illegal.


[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 3:43 PM. Reason : .]

9/20/2007 3:42:53 PM

Really? Which law school did you graduate from? You're so smart!

9/20/2007 3:44:14 PM

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"terpball has gone through this thread like a retarded blind mute swinging a baseball bat around furiously in a padded cell"

9/20/2007 3:44:17 PM

THEY DIDNT DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL.

the kid had a gun in his car at school. he got expelled. thats what happens to everyone

he didnt pull it on anyone.

were the police called during this "party fight?"

its not illegal to burn flags, hang nooses, wave a confederate flag (dont get me started), call people name etc.

it IS illegal to assault people.

9/20/2007 3:44:36 PM

^^^The same one you graduated from.


Oh wait....



If anything, the colored kids should be charged with a hate crime for beating up the whites because they were white.

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 3:46 PM. Reason : .]

9/20/2007 3:44:53 PM

douche bag douche bag douchebag


you sound so smart.

9/20/2007 3:45:57 PM

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"oh please, they weren't just "tying a rope on a branch," they were sending a very specific message and they knew that at the time that incident alone could've easily been tried as a FEDERAL hate crime aside from the laws in Louisiana barring similar behavior"

There are just TOO many hypersensitive people in this country. This is the real problem. Should the kids who did the noose get expelled, yes. Arrested, no.

School rules and punishment do not have to follow the constitution or federal law statues

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 3:47 PM. Reason : l]

9/20/2007 3:46:59 PM

^Exactly

A group of white guys need to go beat the shit out of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton because apparently thats not something that you should get arrested for.



[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 3:48 PM. Reason : m]

9/20/2007 3:47:27 PM

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"If anything, the colored kids should be charged with a hate crime for beating up the whites because they were white. "

I didn't see anything in the reports that said they kicked his ass just because he was white.

9/20/2007 3:48:51 PM

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"the kid had a gun in his car at school. he got expelled. thats what happens to everyone"

OK where the fuck did you pull that from?

9/20/2007 3:49:15 PM

somewhere on page 2 or 3 i posted the quote.

9/20/2007 3:50:04 PM

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"I didn't see anything in the reports that said they kicked his ass just because he was white."

But they were white, and the attackers were black. Why else would they have beaten their ass? If it were the other way around, it would be all like

"Those kids only beat the others up because they were black. This is clearly a racial issue and hate crimes."


I swear. Black people never want to take responsobility for their actions. Its always someone elses fault, or they didn't do anything wrong.

Just stfu already and pay your debt to society. Atleast prison yards don't have any trees, so they won't have to worry about any nooses being hung there.

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 3:52 PM. Reason : .n]

9/20/2007 3:51:02 PM

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"its not illegal to burn flags, hang nooses, wave a confederate flag (dont get me started), call people name etc. "

Please look up "hate crime." There's a reason they're called "crimes," and it's not just because they're a real shame. If you have a specific intent in doing those (and don't you DARE try to suggest that hanging a noose above a place where blacks chose to sit one day is somehow NOT directed towards them as a group, or intended to incite/anger/humiliate them) against a specific group, that CAN be tried in a court of law.

"The U.S. Supreme Court unanimously found that penalty-enhancement hate crime statutes do not conflict with free speech rights because they do not punish an individual for exercising freedom of expression; rather, they allow courts to consider motive when sentencing a criminal for conduct which is not protected by the First Amendment."

It's not about free expression, it's about THE MOTIVE of that expression.

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"School rules and punishment do not have to follow the constitution or federal law statues"

By that logic, these guys who did the beating up shouldn't have to follow federal or state law either.

9/20/2007 3:51:19 PM

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"Really? Which law school did you graduate from? You're so smart! "

9/20/2007 3:54:02 PM

fine. charge them with hate crimes... but you better charge the 6 others with the same thing, since now you are insinuating that the retaliation was racially motivated.

9/20/2007 3:54:03 PM

O I get it, you're going all retarded on hypotheticals

^SF: They could easily argue that the nooses were just an expression. Flag burning still goes down in this country. I'm no lawyer, but I do watch CSI from time to time and I don't think that hanging a noose is a hate crime because there's no backing to it.

^Grace, your shotgun quote still doesn't have a factual backing/link...

9/20/2007 3:55:42 PM

This reminds me of Rodney King, only in reverse. The blacks were all over the cops, now they are all in support of the blacks.

9/20/2007 3:56:13 PM

http://www.theadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070920/NEWS01/709200342/1002
does this make it legit?

9/20/2007 3:57:06 PM

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"This reminds me of Rodney King, only in reverse. The blacks were all over the cops, now they are all in support of the blacks. "

Yeah, I can definitely see how someone like you would think that.

9/20/2007 3:58:40 PM

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"I don't think that hanging a noose is a hate crime because there's no backing to it. "

i think there's considerable backing to it. Hate Crimes include intimidation as well as actions, and hanging a noose after a black kid sat there... that's meant to be intimidation, and there's no way around that

9/20/2007 4:02:26 PM

Yea, i see that, but what I'm coming from is that I see American Flag burning as hate crime, and many interpret the confederate flag as being incredibly racist. Those both are covered under freedom of expression. From this a noose, while having a different history, still conveys the same message of 'we dont like you'.

I can't think of any instances where an image has reported and punished as a hate crime, but I don't generally look or pay attention to this stuff..

9/20/2007 4:06:13 PM

i dont think a rope hanging in a tree represents a real threat

when was the last time someone was actually found to be murdered by hanging?


if people cant be mature enough to brush shit like this off, they are going to end up behind bars someday anyway.

9/20/2007 4:09:48 PM

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"fine. charge them with hate crimes... but you better charge the 6 others with the same thing, since now you are insinuating that the retaliation was racially motivated."

Until the first three guys are charged with a hate crime, I doubt you'll see that brought up in these cases. But they could use the "brought the gun to school" thing to dismiss a possible hate crime in any of these cases: it'd likely show Barker as unnecessarily violent, and that may be reason enough to beat him up rather than "hey, that dude is white, let's get him!"

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"SF: They could easily argue that the nooses were just an expression. Flag burning still goes down in this country. I'm no lawyer, but I do watch CSI from time to time and I don't think that hanging a noose is a hate crime because there's no backing to it."

Are you crazy? Comparing CSI to America's REAL LEGAL SYSTEM doesn't make good sense at all. Maybe if you had said Law & Order or something, but even that show can appear dated. In any case, it has more backing than quite a few past hate crime cases.

Flags are inherently different, and they are interpreted differently. But please, how could a black person interpret a NOOSE IN A TREE above them differently?

9/20/2007 4:09:59 PM

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"Please look up "hate crime." There's a reason they're called "crimes," and it's not just because they're a real shame. If you have a specific intent in doing those (and don't you DARE try to suggest that hanging a noose above a place where blacks chose to sit one day is somehow NOT directed towards them as a group, or intended to incite/anger/humiliate them) against a specific group, that CAN be tried in a court of law."

That argument may have stood if the kids walked up to the black students, noose in hand threatening them to leave the tree or else....

What the Jena 6 did qualifies more as a hate crime then a rope in a tree. 6 black students gang bashing a white student.

9/20/2007 4:10:18 PM

^ You've apparently missed the part where I never said those six should be off the hook. They did beat up a guy, and they're now rightfully charted with assault. What WAS ridiculous is charging them with attempted murder.

And for the last time, it wasn't just a rope in a tree. You do not tie a fucking noose on a tree above a group of black people just as "free expression," you do it to get a response from them or to let them know exactly how much you hate them. That's not just a simple "well hey, today I'm going to arbitrarily tie ropes in this tree in a certain manner: hey, nooses will really cheer people up!"

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 4:13 PM. Reason : .]

9/20/2007 4:11:14 PM

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"Those both are covered under freedom of expression. From this a noose, while having a different history, still conveys the same message of 'we dont like you'."

no, a burning flag says "we don't like you"

a noose says "we're going to hang you. just like they used to hang people that look like you"


totally different message sent.

9/20/2007 4:12:16 PM

^^ They are not gonna stop saying it was just a noose hung. it's the only way these idiots can argue!

9/20/2007 4:12:55 PM

NEWS FLASH

SLAVERY DOESN'T OWN THE DEFINITION OF A NOOSE

PEOPLE WERE HUNG FOR MANY FUCKING CENTURIES BEFORE AND AFTER SLAVERY

IT DOES NOT 100% MEAN BLACK PEOPLE GONNA DIE

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 4:14 PM. Reason : ]

9/20/2007 4:13:04 PM

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"District Attorney Reed Walters stressed on Wednesday that race had nothing to do with the charges in Jena. Walters said he didn't charge the white students accused of hanging the nooses because he could find no Louisiana law under which they could be charged. In the beating case, he said, four of the defendants were of adult age under Louisiana law and the only juvenile charged as an adult, Mychal Bell, had a prior criminal record."

9/20/2007 4:14:54 PM

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"Comparing CSI to America's REAL LEGAL SYSTEM doesn't make good sense at all. "

guess i'll have to spell it out my semi comical statement for you.

In CSI they'll come across circumstantial evidence, or stuff like the guy was in the area at the same time as the crime, or whatever. However, they can't use that evidence in court until its been developed more and there is no doubt in the judge's mind that whatever they're bringing forward is in fact accurate.

What this means is that in my opinion there is no backing to using the noose as a hate crime item.

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"no, a burning flag says "we don't like you""

It all depends in the context of how the item is being delivered. I don't think Jihadists burn flags just for the hell of it, or for 'decoration' as fuchsia likes putting it.

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 4:18 PM. Reason : ]

9/20/2007 4:15:18 PM

....





so you're saying hanging a noose on a tree in front of black people is not at all meant to intimidate a person based on their race?

are you really saying that?

9/20/2007 4:16:52 PM

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"Walters said he didn't charge the white students accused of hanging the nooses because he could find no Louisiana law under which they could be charged."

http://www.partnersagainsthate.org/laws/list-of-hate-crime-laws.html?state=la

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 4:19 PM. Reason : Louisiana has several hate crime laws. It's not my fault he's incompetent.]

9/20/2007 4:16:55 PM

aha you lose AND youre wrong

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 4:17 PM. Reason : ,,,,,,]

9/20/2007 4:17:17 PM

btw for everyone who is like omg... racism they are punishing him overly b.c of skin color

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"Bell has been adjudicated of four previous crimes of violence - two for battery and two for criminal damage to property."

http://www.theadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070920/NEWS01/709200342/1002

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"What WAS ridiculous is charging them with attempted murder. "

I think that was my 1st point in the thread.

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 4:19 PM. Reason : l]

9/20/2007 4:18:00 PM

NOW LET THAT POOR KID OUT SO HE CAN GO BACK TO WORK AT THE SOUP KITCHEN!!!

9/20/2007 4:18:34 PM

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"so you're saying hanging a noose on a tree in front of black people is not at all meant to intimidate a person based on their race? are you really saying that?"

I don't know, I've never hung a noose up before. I don't sit here pondering how to cheer up the place with a noose.

9/20/2007 4:21:05 PM

SF has very poor reading comprehension and persuasive writing skills to be a double major in English.

Who all remembers the infamous "English is harder then engineering" debate

9/20/2007 4:21:43 PM