Anybody into it, tried it, or seen it done?

Is this real?

http://www.academyofsorcery.com/jan15.htm

(please spend a little time reading the descriptions of the works before you laugh at it)

They send you 50,000 pages (700+ books) for $77, their whole collection. List of some of the books: http://www.academyofsorcery.com/listofbooks.htm

It just makes you wonder if that stuff really works or not.

Well, real magic exists, so perhaps it does. I would like to get into it, but I don't want to make pacts with the devil, as that's what's apparently you need to do in order to do real magic.

Post all direct and indirect experiences with [real] magic ITT, as I am curious to know just how widespread it is, as >95% of the 'magicians' out there are just tricksters/illusionists.

1/11/2010 8:46:25 PM

ibtmtcc

1/11/2010 8:49:32 PM

this is not intended for cc

1/11/2010 8:51:47 PM

That doesn't mean it doesn't belong in CC

1/11/2010 8:54:47 PM

come on guys, we're in our 20s

1/11/2010 8:57:39 PM

magic /= real stuff

sorry man

1/11/2010 8:58:21 PM

^^^ you also belong in chit chat, what are you doing here?

^ how do you know? anybody can say anything... do you have any evidence or experience to back that up? humans can do amazing things, that science can't explain.

some nepalese buddhist monks can increase/decrease their core body temperature by SEVERAL degrees in just minutes by meditating (in the guinness book). if i told you some humans could do that, you would say that's not possible. that's just one example (of humans being able to do supernatural things).



[Edited on January 11, 2010 at 9:04 PM. Reason : my post count 26795 = my zip code when i was in the US at NCSU]

1/11/2010 9:01:30 PM

real magic only accepts american express, sorry

1/11/2010 9:03:14 PM

I'm not sure how you define it, but I don't think that's magic. I've seen a special on that were the reporter learns how to do it in a few hours.

1/11/2010 9:04:13 PM

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"^ how do you know? anybody can say anything... do you have any evidence or experience to back that up? humans can do amazing things, that science can't explain. some nepalese buddhist monks can increase/decrease their core body temperature by SEVERAL degrees in just minutes by meditating (in the guinness book). if i told you some humans could do that, you would say that's not possible. that's just one example (of humans being able to do supernatural things). "

Changing your body temperature is not magic. That’s training. They’ve showed a Navy Seal or something like that on TV, in a huge ice tank do this. Anyone can learn to modulate their body temperature if they wanted (as far as amazing monk feats go, this is actually one of the easier ones to learn).

You’re a god-damned idiot (no pun intended) for remotely thinking that stuff like “divination,” spells, magic words, or anything like that is real. And i’m actually a bit surprised you’re so gullible regarding this, considering some of your past threads.

It’s so unbelievable that I believe you have an ulterior motive for posting this, that is beyond a genuine belief in magic.

It would be great if magic were real, absolutely amazing. And i don’t care if you wish to pursue a “study” in magic. But you’re only giving yourself false hope— or false faith, by believing that. Your desire (if real… and i’m not convinced it is) to believe in magic is the same thing that drives some religious fanatics to cling to their religions.

1/11/2010 9:50:21 PM

1/11/2010 10:06:12 PM

ahahahahahahahaha

1/11/2010 10:16:04 PM

OEP magically regulates the temperature of his bed, too

1/11/2010 10:18:12 PM

1/11/2010 10:21:14 PM

[Edited on January 11, 2010 at 10:43 PM. Reason : no autoplay -qfred]

1/11/2010 10:26:14 PM

If you can believe in water into wine or saints doing miracles or turning a rod into snakes or an invisible metaphysical version of yourself that records all the data in your brain, I don't see what is so far fetched about believing in the rest of magic. I went to a lot of weddings last year, and for a couple of them I saw the clergy get pretty seriously into divine magic by casting enchantments on the rings while holding them in the air, shaking them in a fist, while saying ritualistic words.

1/11/2010 10:29:23 PM

True or not, I know a lot of people who believe that people can have roots put on them and that haints exist. Most won't publicly admit it, though.

1/11/2010 11:09:32 PM

In my book, the definition of magic being the changing of one's body temperature by several degrees is a pretty fucking low standard.

1/11/2010 11:13:55 PM

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"Well, real magic exists, so perhaps it does."

LOL you are a fucking idiot

I hope this thread is a joke

1/11/2010 11:28:13 PM

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"people can have roots put on them and that haints exist."

huh?

1/11/2010 11:30:09 PM

I don't deny the existence of magic

it strikes me as somewhat closed-minded to assume that there are no supernatural phenomena, and that all events have explanations which are in accordance with the laws of physics

that's just faith in science, really

I'm sort of an agnostic about magic, ghosts, etc.

1/11/2010 11:40:22 PM

I believe in magic.
Magically delicious.
Like Lucky Charms.
And that's why I don't eat Cheerios.

1/12/2010 12:40:54 AM

http://www.unc.edu/

1/12/2010 1:21:46 AM

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"Changing your body temperature is not magic."

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"In my book, the definition of magic being the changing of one's body temperature by several degrees is a pretty fucking low standard."

You 2 need to learn to read. Well, one of you is a moron, so it fits.

This is what I said:

that's just one example (of humans being able to do supernatural things).
which followed from something I said before it:
humans can do amazing things, that science can't explain.

So I didn't say it was magic, just that there are a lot of things that some humans can do (and some non-human phenomenon as well) that can't be explained by our science.

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"You’re a god-damned idiot (no pun intended) for remotely thinking that stuff like “divination,” spells, magic words, or anything like that is real. And i’m actually a bit surprised you’re so gullible regarding this, considering some of your past threads."

I am quite surprised that you would stoop low to cursing me here. You are such a saint in TSB. Anyway, again, HOW DO YOU KNOW IT IS NOT REAL? Yes, most likely not real, but there is enough anecdotal evidence from the past couple of thousand years to doubt that such things are bogus.

So, how does that website make money? They give a 90 day money back guarantee. If everybody who buys stuff from there ends up returning it, how do they make money?

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"It’s so unbelievable that I believe you have an ulterior motive for posting this, that is beyond a genuine belief in magic."

Ulterior motive? Yeah, it was to bring out reactionary morons like you.

Thanks JeffreyBSG, at least someone is open minded.

1/12/2010 4:37:29 AM

I doubt you're going to get many worthwhile responses here. I am very on the edge about stuff like this. I definitely think if you're going to acknowledge the existance if any omnipotent being, than it's not a far stretch at all to believe in supernatural phenomena. Of course the cool thing now for many college students is, is to vehemently deny even the possibility that God exists, so it naturally follows that you're going to get made fun of for this.

I think the big thing is that things that may appear to be magical to us now may be explained by scientific reasoning. I am sure the fact that we can communicate at the speed of light with someone 5000 miles away on a different continent would seem like magic to someone 200 years ago, as would the ability to use a ray of light to reshape an eyeball and restore someone's sight. Of course we know this is just science. Maybe 1,000 years from now, ghosts will be able to be explained as some kind of not yet quantified energy source, and even reproduced in a lab.... who knows.

Or perhaps maybe the mind has the power to alter physical reality..... maybe other forms of energy that we can't yet quantify exist. There are SO many stories out there about some kind of "supernatural" or "magical" phenomena, that I can just not imagine every single one of them being fabricated. I was reading about that one experiment with the water crystals being analyzed based on external emotional stimuli..... is this fake? Maybe, but if it's not, then wow. (If you are unfamiliar here is a quick synopsis: http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/research_emoto.htm.

I hope you get some decent replies, but like I said most people are just too arrogant and feel too self-important to believe there could be anything out there beyond the laws that they think the universe plays by.

1/12/2010 5:30:06 AM

I can magically change my pulse through the power of thought (by remembering stressful or peaceful things, magically).

1/12/2010 5:32:01 AM

^^ Thanks. Appreciated. Spot on about the arrogance small-mindedness.

Will check out the link later. I am familiar with the research, but haven't read about it in detail.

1/12/2010 5:45:07 AM

There are plenty of weird things a human body / mind can do that can't be easily explained. If you want to call it magic, so be it. Personally, I'd find several other interests to pick up before pursuing this. But, I'm not you, and if you do pursue it, share findings / results.

1/12/2010 6:23:35 AM

Hate to ruin it, but he didn't really make the handkerchief disappear.



There is no real magic.

1/12/2010 7:57:35 AM

Become invisible today!

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1/12/2010 9:17:43 AM

i can magically change the size and shape of my penis by thinking dirty or real dirty thoughts.

1/12/2010 9:18:05 AM

I don't think there's anything that requires a supernatural explanation. We might not be able to understand something, but that doesn't mean it's actually magic.

1/12/2010 9:23:08 AM

1/12/2010 9:40:23 AM

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"I would like to get into it, but I don't want to make pacts with the devil, as that's what's apparently you need to do in order to do real magic."

Hahaha you have lost your goddamn mind.

1/12/2010 9:41:01 AM

DO NOT TAKE ME FOR SOME CONJURER OF CHEAP TRICKS!

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 9:43 AM. Reason : ]

1/12/2010 9:43:31 AM

Magic is the pretended performance of those things which cannot be done.

Any "real magic" is just a further illusion of this fact.

1/12/2010 9:48:02 AM

DEAR SIR I AM A DEPOSED PRINCE OF NARNIA IN NEED OF YUOR SERVICE TO FUNNLE THE ROYAL TREASURIES INTO YOUR WARDROBE LAND

1/12/2010 9:54:10 AM

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"(please spend a little time reading the descriptions of the works before you laugh at it)"

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"Basic Rituals & Spells Great starting place for any aspiring sorcerer or magus. Details everything you need to know about basic rituals and spell casting... plus some other stuff just for fun"

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"Black Magic Spells - The most devastating guide to black magic ever released to the public. Revealing the true secrets to amazing magical abilities like "Life Tap & Siphon Strength" where you learn how to steal life-energy from another being, "Sense the Dead", where you learn to sense evil forces around you and "Vampiric Aura!" These spells are not for the weak-minded!"

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"The Art of Commanding Spirits - Unleash a spirit army! With this knowledge at your fingertips, you'll Learn to Take-Command over the 72 timeless spirits of the Goetia the easy way! Written in plain English that you can understand. Easy to follow with over 150 illustrations and photos, an absolute vital tool in any aspiring sorcerer's collection. If you read just one book on REAL Magic, make it this one."

now can I laugh?

I just can't understand how (seemingly) intelligent people buy into shit like this

1/12/2010 10:35:34 AM

This stuff is no good, man.


Even if its real, nothing good could come out of the dark arts.

1/12/2010 10:44:31 AM

All you trolls watch out. He might buy the books and put a curse on you or something.

1/12/2010 10:59:20 AM

1/12/2010 11:02:51 AM

froshkiller made me lol

1/12/2010 11:03:44 AM

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"Quote : "In my book, the definition of magic being the changing of one's body temperature by several degrees is a pretty fucking low standard." You 2 need to learn to read. Well, one of you is a moron, so it fits. This is what I said: that's just one example (of humans being able to do supernatural things). which followed from something I said before it: humans can do amazing things, that science can't explain."

Regardless of what you said, my statement is still valid. I also would not call changing one's body temperature "supernatural".

1/12/2010 12:01:46 PM

Challenge: any actual proof of anyone doing anything supernatural ever. Difficulty: the Bible isn't actual proof.

You want proof magic doesn't exist?
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

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"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the "applicant" becomes a "claimant." To date, no one has passed the preliminary tests."

If anyone on this planet could pass this test, they would have already. There's absolutely no reason not to use your magic and win a million bucks. "I'm not greedy" is a cop-out: there are plenty of charities and poor people wizards could donate the money to. Hell, the temperature changing monks don't even take the challenge because even they know it's not supernatural.

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 12:43 PM. Reason : bolded for emphasis.]

1/12/2010 12:41:05 PM

So are we defining magic as that which cannot be explained or that which actually violates the laws of physics?

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"there is enough anecdotal evidence from the past couple of thousand years to doubt that such things are bogus."

the plural of anecdote is not data.

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"how do you know? anybody can say anything... do you have any evidence or experience to back that up?"

is this a rhetorical question?

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"There are SO many stories out there about some kind of "supernatural" or "magical" phenomena, that I can just not imagine every single one of them being fabricated."

the history of human existence is a perpetual record of people killing and dying for lies they believed to be true.


People speak and believe lies as easily as they eat and breathe.

Exhibit A:

1/12/2010 12:49:49 PM

Not saying it is impossible but unexplained =/= supernatural.

[Edited on January 12, 2010 at 12:57 PM. Reason : double post.]

1/12/2010 12:51:14 PM

maybe not "magic" but I've seen some very spiritual stuff (as in.. spirits-related). My grandma was a l337 shaman and some of the rituals blow your mind.

1/12/2010 12:56:25 PM

Too bad she didn't teach you any of it so you could go make a million bucks.

1/12/2010 1:00:14 PM

^gotta be chosen by the spirits, my friend

1/12/2010 1:01:09 PM

Tricks are what whores do for money.

Or cocaine.

1/12/2010 1:50:04 PM