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0EPII1
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Make sure to see the Mfographic on the previous page

More info on the 2-series

DTM driver Andy Priaulx hits the track in a BMW M235i [video] (and loves it!)
http://www.worldcarfans.com/113110165439/dtm-driver-andy-priaulx-hits-the-track-in-a-bmw-m235i-video

2-series Configurator
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/2series/coupe/2013/showroom/design/visualizer.html

Renders of 2-Series GranCoupe and M2, hi-res pics linked

http://content.worldcarfans.co/2013/10/28/large/1115995836681339803.jpg


http://content.worldcarfans.co/2013/11/4/large/4222597661406502279.jpg



M235i, hi-res pics linked

http://content.worldcarfans.co/2013/10/25/large/828899036353070147.jpg


http://content.worldcarfans.co/2013/10/25/large/6131520731060453566.jpg


http://content.worldcarfans.co/2013/10/25/large/16553701181504721944.jpg


[Edited on November 4, 2013 at 10:22 PM. Reason : ]

11/4/2013 10:18:21 PM

TKE-Teg
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That looks like the first BMW in a long time that I would actually want to own (outside of the M3).

11/5/2013 8:17:17 AM

0EPII1
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If you go to the BMW site you will see they are calling it a modern successor to the BMW 2002 and are really using that in their marketing to maximum effect.

11/5/2013 8:44:13 AM

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i thought the 1-series was already the modern succesor

11/5/2013 12:43:24 PM

0EPII1
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Yeah but the 1-series coupe has been renamed as the 2-series coupe now.

11/5/2013 12:45:32 PM

dtownral
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yeah, i get that, i'm saying that they've been calling it that for years.

11/5/2013 1:35:01 PM

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Yeah I know, my point is they are playing it up and making a big deal out of it all over again as if they never did it before when the 1 came out. But yes, you are right.

11/5/2013 1:37:45 PM

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I can't stomach those tails. Just awful design.

Video on the racetrack is also awful. Tons of body roll and lack of limited slip on so-called M235i. Car offerings by other manufacturers at third of the price offer limited slip. BMW is treating is like some special feature! Wtf!

What is SO different from 135i? What is different from 2007 E90 335i that you can now buy for $11-12k. Same fucking engine, same power, same suspension design. Ok, they improved torsional rigidity (as they always do) by X%, and shaved two grocery bags worth of weight...big fucking deal.

Entire BMW lineup is just disaster. I have not desire to own any of the turbo cars. Might stock up on yet another low mileage E39. Get em while they last.



[Edited on November 6, 2013 at 2:09 AM. Reason : separated at birth]

11/6/2013 2:04:49 AM

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Wait, this car isn't much lighter than an E90 coupe? I figured the weight would be 3100-3200lbs

11/6/2013 8:10:23 AM

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http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/2series/coupe/2013/showroom/compare.html?model_1=220i&model_2=M235i

220i - 184 hp
1,425 kg = 3,135 lb

M235i - 326 hp
1,530 kg = 3,366 lb

US will get 228i and M235i, but no details on bmw usa site yet:
http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/allbmws/futurevehicles/details.aspx?FVCVDetailId=48


specs of the european models: (218d, 220d, 220i, 225d, M235i)
http://www.worldcarfans.com/113102565000/2014-bmw-2-series-coupe-unveiled-goes-on-sale-in-march

link also says:
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"Update: BMW USA has announced the 228i will be priced from $33,025 while the M235i will retail for $44,025."



[Edited on November 6, 2013 at 8:59 AM. Reason : ]

11/6/2013 8:49:52 AM

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How much shit do they heap onto the 235i?! No way the larger drivetrain is responsible for an additional 200lbs.

11/6/2013 9:47:58 AM

0EPII1
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E39 M5 with Supar engine and transmission

500 rwhp!

$22,000 obo

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?2028326-2001-BMW-M5-with-2JZ-GTE-(Supra)-Motor-Swap

11/7/2013 12:49:11 PM

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wtf? fuck that shit

11/13/2013 3:08:57 PM

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No sir, I would drive that all day long.

Think about it that car is epic except the engine eats it's self. That supra engine built like that will last indefinitely.
That's a "low boost" engine for a 2jz.

And they sound amazing even though they weigh too much.

Next I'd do a coyote ford swap... Then an ls. As far as engines that would work well there.

11/13/2013 3:31:20 PM

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"Think about it that car is epic except the engine eats it's self"


another case of your keyboard diarrhea ... w h a t are you talking about??

11/13/2013 5:33:01 PM

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Lol ohh you are right the s62b50 is the most reliable engine ever right up there with the 2jz , m50 etc.

I mean next to the 335 the e39 is a fuckin rock yeah... Butt.....

11/13/2013 7:22:44 PM

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"I mean next to the 335 the e39 is a fuckin rock yeah... Butt...."


yeah and next to 2jz mid 90s civic is a rock... what's your point?

i never compared or stated S62 is the most reliable engine, but it certainly doesn't destroy itself.

Coyote engine? Really? The one that makes more power than S62 in a car that weighs 400lb less than E39 and still traps the same speed as E39. Yeah, that makes sense.

11/14/2013 2:26:40 PM

dtownral
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you guys need to learn how to punctuate, some of this shit is hard to read

11/14/2013 2:29:50 PM

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http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=915692

11/20/2013 2:26:39 PM

1in10^9
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it's official

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=923203

[Edited on December 11, 2013 at 6:37 PM. Reason : d]

12/11/2013 6:36:56 PM

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BMW M3 and M4 Official Production Version Pics, Specs, and Videos

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=923203

Goddamn, the M3 is utterly gorgeous, and looks hell of a lot sexier, beefier, and more beautiful than the M4

Don't miss the videos showing the cars in action.

The M4 is 3,300 lbs wet. The M235i (see top of page) is quoted at 3,366 lbs.

So... the M4 has 100 hp more, and is slightly lighter than the M235i... damn


[Edited on December 11, 2013 at 6:42 PM. Reason : ^ Grrrr... I was typing when you posted! ... LOL jk ]

12/11/2013 6:41:32 PM

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"The M4 is 3,300 lbs wet. The M235i (see top of page) is quoted at 3,366 lbs."


I'll believe that when an independent tester puts it on the scales. That site also states:

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"M4 Lighter by 176 pounds from E92 M3"


For whatever reason the weight of the E92 M3 varied greatly. I saw several sources report it's weight to be right around 3700lbs.

Still, fantastic news! Better than the anti-climatic Mustang unveiling.

12/12/2013 8:21:28 AM

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^E92 M3 is 3700lb. Lightest 335i was manual E92 at 3550lb.

F80 M3 is 176lb ligher than the outgoing E92 M3, so don't worry about underweight lies BMW puts out. Just subtract 3700-176= ~ 3500lb will be the real world weight.

im sick and tired of laden, unladen, wet, dry, semi-wet, with driver, without driver, no fuel, fuel and what not. It is all manipulating nonsense to "confuse and conquer" the consumers.

New F80 M3 has the identical bore/stroke and compression ratio as 2007 N54 335i. Not similar, but IDENTICAL. Pathetic. Cost savings in full effect. bmw=big marketing win.

buy low mileage e92 m3 and keep up with maintenance. they will hold value.

[Edited on December 12, 2013 at 4:57 PM. Reason : F]

12/12/2013 4:55:09 PM

TKE-Teg
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That's disappointing to hear. Thanks for backing me up

Latest seasonal race in Gran Turismo 6 features the BMW M4. One lap around the Nurburgring GP/F track and you get the car as a prize.

12/13/2013 8:56:50 AM

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12/17/2013 6:14:03 PM

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Goddamn. There goes the nail in the coffin.

12/17/2013 6:27:25 PM

Ahmet
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Yeah, that's really too bad

12/17/2013 6:38:39 PM

dtownral
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it makes no logical sense, but i'm now not interested in another BMW when my lease is up after only seeing that picture

12/17/2013 6:43:51 PM

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Lease? Ewwwwwww

12/17/2013 6:51:31 PM

dtownral
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when your employer pays for it- yaaaaay

[Edited on December 17, 2013 at 8:46 PM. Reason : f10]

12/17/2013 8:44:30 PM

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All of it? I could get behind that. Why won't they just help pay a car payment? Does it have to be a lease?

12/17/2013 8:49:09 PM

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Yeah, all of it. You can only use it for a lease, it's in the company's name and not mine. I'm assuming they get a bigger tax deduction for a lease than if they bought vehicles, and by leasing they don't have to manage a fleet, but I don't really know. It's intended to use for trucks, but since my field is all in industry where I just need a car I chose a car. And since trucks are so damn expensive, it turns out you can lease a lot of car for the same amount as a pretty boring truck.

If I go on a trip or vacation I do have to pay the mileage back since it's not being charged to a client, but it's a pretty negligible amount. And its offset by being able to use it for general around town driving and being able to expense most of my fuel. Or I can just work while I'm on vacation and make sure I have enough billable hours

[Edited on December 17, 2013 at 9:18 PM. Reason : leasing an f10 is less expensive than leasing a tahoe or 4-dr silverado]

12/17/2013 9:11:00 PM

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You're leasing a five series and paying nothing for it (except the occasional mileage reimbursement)? Damn that's a hell of a perk!

12/17/2013 9:57:57 PM

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they have no problem paying for your car, just don't ask them to match your retirement contributions

12/17/2013 10:05:57 PM

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Wow. $-wise it's cheaper for them to do the retirement matching, but I would guess they do the car thing to make sure their people make it to work.

12/17/2013 11:12:32 PM

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This is definitely a yay.

A render of the upcoming 4-Series GranCoupe, based on leaked patent drawings. It is the "4-door coupe" based on the 3-Series, the smaller sibling to the 6-Series GranCoupe.

Probably will be shown in Geneva in March.




Patent drawings and spy shots of actual car plus video also: http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=928220

That pic above is basically almost 100% what the car will look like after looking at the patent drawings and spy shots.


[Edited on December 29, 2013 at 7:06 PM. Reason : ]

12/29/2013 6:50:48 PM

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their model line is confused as shit

12/29/2013 7:46:55 PM

0EPII1
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Wow, virtual reality glasses that will help you fix your bmw

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140120-fix-a-car-without-a-mechanic/all

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/owners/service/augmented_reality_workshop_1.html

1/21/2014 5:41:11 PM

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"Might stock up on yet another low mileage E39. Get em while they last."


I had an E39 and it was garbage too. You probably mean just less garbage than all the newer turbo models?

1/21/2014 5:49:54 PM

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I need to drive some of Audi's stuff. I think I may be on the cusp of switching teams (no homo).

1/21/2014 9:23:02 PM

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that GranCoupe up there makes me think of a Sonata/Mazda 3 bastard child . all in all not bad though - the vent deal near the front fender bothers me though.

1/22/2014 9:55:22 AM

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"M235i - 326 hp
1,530 kg = 3,366 lb"


OEPII1, I dunno where that site got those figures but that's about 200lbs lighter than what Autoblog's test vehicle weighed.

The new 235i costs around $45k, has 320hp and weighs 3553lbs. What the fuck is the point of this vehicle? It's supposed to be the 135i's replacement and yet somehow it gained 250lbs?

Seriously wtf is going on over there?

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM. Reason : d]

1/22/2014 11:59:49 AM

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curious to see how they'll price as CPO's...

1/22/2014 5:47:59 PM

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^^ those figures are from BMW itself,.. I guess they are dry figures? Cuz another 200 lbs would make it as heavy as the new M3 or as heavy as the E92 335i, but in a smaller package. Not cool!

1/22/2014 7:29:30 PM

TKE-Teg
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I'm guessing dry figures. No way Autoblog's test vehicle would randomly have an extra 200lbs.

1/23/2014 11:41:12 AM

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"I had an E39 and it was garbage too. You probably mean just less garbage than all the newer turbo models?"


Buying a BMW and expecting the maintenance to be same as Honda is about as realistic as buying a Honda and expecting to drive like a BMW. I’m guessing you took it to the dealer or didn’t want to sift through forum thread to figure out how to do simple DIYs?

1/23/2014 1:26:15 PM

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Ohh so you've convinced your self that you pay a premium for the ride and the maintenance...

I'm gonna pay 1.5x accord money for an accord sized car with maintenance issues and some quickness

1/23/2014 6:45:32 PM

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fuck that, there is no reason a basic BMW shouldn't be as, or more, reliable than a generic appliance car

1/23/2014 6:47:06 PM

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^agreed. And that's something that has been annoying me for a while. You would think that part of owning a luxury car is having outstanding reliability. Automakers used to pride themselves on that. Why they don't anymore is beyond me.

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"Buying a BMW and expecting the maintenance to be same as Honda is about as realistic as buying a Honda and expecting to drive like a BMW"


Let's take a fan favorite as an example here, an E36 M3. Please enlighten me as to what part of the BMW's driving experience makes it impossible to be more reliable than an Accord. Hell, a contemporary Accord of the day had the superior suspension design. Also let's not pretend that the Integra Type R wasn't a more balanced and satisfying car to drive than the majority of BMWs from that era.

[Edited on January 24, 2014 at 8:47 AM. Reason : k]

1/24/2014 8:42:41 AM

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fool and TKE, neither of you have owned ANY bmw for any length of time. You do not have any perspective on actual costs of short or long term ownership. I have owned both Honda and BMW brands.

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"lease enlighten me as to what part of the BMW's driving experience makes it impossible to be more reliable than an Accord."


C'mon that's easy and you are playing dumb. You know damn well BMW is more complex from suspension, engine, electricals. I'm pretty sure your average 1997 E36 M3 has more parts and way more electrical diagrams than 1997 Accord. Vanos, limited slip, traction control, all existed on 1997 M3 and not on 1997 Accord. Should I get into 5 link IRS with zillion bushings? Should I get into solid lifters on E46 M3 valve adjustments, electronically actuated ITBs on E39 M5, dual VANOS etc. Of course it will be costlier to maintain in the short or long term run.

[Edited on January 24, 2014 at 12:41 PM. Reason : f]

1/24/2014 12:39:26 PM

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