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I kept waiting for something "major" to happen in this episode, but it was kinda nice to have suspense without it being our protagonists vs whisperers. It was also nice to see how our characters are dealing with the loss of so many people in the last episode without having to jump right back and deal with more conflict, good character development.

I didn't quite understand why Carol is leaving Ezekiel (I guess she needs a fresh start to get over henry?).

How far south would the whisperers have to go to escape the "blizzard". Like hell they went down to South Carolina or further and then came all the way back up. It's not like they are actually coming back to anything (they have no settlement). I guess they just had to explain how Alpha survived that storm without any shelter. And wtf with Alpha being lashed, what is she getting "strong" for? Why is she going to stir up conflict? Does she even know that they crossed into her territory or is she just trying to make up for "being weak"?

I didn't like that everyone was on the road for the worst of the storm. I could try to explain it off that it was a period of severe coldness before the storm that finally drove them out of the kingdom, and that it was random chance that the blizzard came. I'm nitpicking, and I guess I can give the show some freedom to force them to have to cross into Alpha's territory.

3/31/2019 11:25:23 PM

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I don't see how the Whisperers would even know if they went through their territory? They weren't there at all and any footprints would have been covered up by snow in a matter of minutes? I guess she could have left some people behind, but even then, they were in near whiteout conditions, so visibility would be really low.

Also, if they wanted to take out the Whisperer's gigantic army of zombies, now would have been the time. If all the zombies were frozen solid for likely weeks on end, they have no real means of threatening them.

4/1/2019 9:16:10 AM

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I imagine Alpha and her crew returning to their territory and finding a mound of dead bodies with their heads cut off and arrows through their heads would be pretty indicative that someone crossed into their borders.

They might not know for sure which group it was, but they would know that SOMEONE had been in their area.

That being said, the entire episode felt like a plot device to start the redemption of Negan and push the groups to a more centralized location. They had to have Alpha and Crew move out of the area because their entire group would have died in the storm, but I guess maybe they're nomadic and just avoid the Winter in general(no way they could have predicted that massive storm early enough to get out of the area fast enough right?). So wouldn't Lydia have told them that Alpha and Co were likely out of the area? Just felt odd.

[Edited on April 1, 2019 at 11:06 AM. Reason : .]

4/1/2019 11:05:56 AM

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^That's a good point. Lydia would have known that the Whisperers wouldn't be sticking around in the winter.

Can someone clear up what is going on with Gabriel and Sadiq btw? Did Rosita cheat on Gabriel and he's just kinda fine with it?

4/1/2019 5:53:42 PM

DonMega
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rosita and sadiq were a thing before gabriel and rosita became a thing.

rosita and sadiq were having fun. sadiq got her pregnant. sadiq and rosita stop having fun. rosita and gabe start dating. rosita finds out she is pregnant and knows sadiq is the baby daddy.

4/1/2019 7:43:22 PM

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Maybe I wasn't paying attention enough, but why did they abandon The Kingdom?

And what's this crap about zombies freezing for weeks and/or roads being impassable for weeks. This is eastern Virginia we're talking about. It's never that cold for such an extended amount of time.

The writing seems to be pretty crappy these days.

4/2/2019 9:40:31 AM

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^I think they were relying more and more on the other communities for food, and given how harsh that winter was, it was getting more difficult to keep supply lines going between them all. I'm not entirely sure what was going on with all that plumbing, though. Earlier on in this season, it showed Henry fixing some pipes and stuff down there.

4/2/2019 3:32:01 PM

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Ezekiel also mentioned that the fires were another reason (you can see all the burned buildings when they walked out of the gates). The crack in their bedroom was also getting bigger, indicating the buildings were falling apart.

4/2/2019 5:03:19 PM

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Working my way through season 9 now and I’m really liking it so far.

Lots of focus on rebuilding society, lots of new characters with interesting qualities, way more nuance in how the main characters feel about each other.

The relationship between rick and michonne was always awkward to me but I like the chemistry with carol and the king guy.

9/9/2019 5:53:15 PM

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