the supplemental compensation does not need BOG approval, only that first number.

there's nothing ridiculous about it.

4/25/2011 10:45:36 AM

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/voices/blogpost/9491736/

Quote :

"There was probably a time during that coaching search when some State fans wondered if they would ever have another head basketball coach. The perception that surrounded N.C. State's coaching search was that it'd be impossible to lure a big name coach like Sean Miller, Rick Barnes, Billy Donovan or whoever to Raleigh. That turned out to be reality though as the Wolfpack hired Mark Gottfried, who in my opinion was a solid hire but without question wasn't in the A-list group with some of those other names. But according to best-selling author John Feinstein, it wasn't really an indictment on the ACC or even N.C. State necessarily that the bigger names didn't jump at the job. "I don't think any of those guys would have jumped at a Big East job if Debbie Yow was the athletic director," Feinstein told Mark and Mike on The Insiders. "Rick Barnes worked for Gary Williams, he's a close friend of Gary Williams. Does anybody think that Williams had to pick up a phone and call Barnes for Barnes to know how Williams felt about working for Debbie Yow? I don't think so. Any coach in the country knew that. That's her reputation, fair or unfair, as someone who was not supportive of a very successful basketball coach at Maryland." We heard it plenty of times that Williams was "poisoning the well" when it came to spreading the bad word about working for Yow, and Yow herself had the famous "sabotage" quote herself. Williams denied those accusations. Feinstein's point may have had a lot to do with State's struggles to make a hire, but it's too bad for the coaches that thought that way. First, there are obviously a number of reasons that no big name coach would take the N.C. State job. It doesn't take a genius to figure out how Arizona or Texas is a better situation right now. State has much work to do. I've always argued that it's a pretty good job, a job perfect for someone with some guts that wants to make a name for himself, but there might be 30 better jobs right now. It's that other reason that gets me — coaches shied away from a job because of what one guy was saying about his former boss. And the boss isn't 100 percent insane in this case. There's definitely two sides to it. It takes two to have a strained relationship. Would Williams have rather been fired instead? Would that have made the relationship better? Yow kept him around at least. And let's not ignore Williams' performance as a coach post-national championship. Maybe that has something to do with Yow stepping on some toes. Since winning it all in 2002 Maryland has been to the Sweet 16 once. In the last eight years The Terps have zero Sweet 16 appearances and in four of those years they didn't even make the NCAA Tournament. I don't love the "what have you done for me lately?" saying. But this is getting to be "what have you done for me in the last decade?" For an AD who makes it pretty clear that the goal is to have the athletics program in the Top 25, that doesn't cut it. Williams and Yow share a lot of similar traits. They're both brash, maybe a little stubborn. They both want to do things their way. And they both want to win. But do you really think we would be talking about this "strained relationship" stuff in the same capacity if Gary had gone on to multiple Sweet 16s, maybe an occasional Elite 8 in the years following that national title? I heard two guys on a national sports radio show once talking about coaches that are "un-fireable". They had several on their list. To me that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Roy Williams seems un-fireable now but if he goes eight straight years without getting out of the round of 32 (and not even making the field half the time) he ain't going to be wearing Carolina blue on the sideline anymore. If Mark Gottfried doesn't perform to Debbie Yow's standards in the long run, one day he'll be gone too. But at least he wasn't scared off by one man's story of the nasty boss."

4/25/2011 11:49:30 AM

Any reason it took that guy a month to rehash what dozens of more notable sports writers have already said?

4/25/2011 12:13:41 PM

wanted to make sure no one forgets

4/25/2011 12:30:03 PM

NEVER FORGET

4/25/2011 12:33:10 PM

Quote :

"the supplemental compensation does not need BOG approval, only that first number."

Considering the "supplemental compensation" is part of their contract and specifically enumerated by their contract I don't see why it wouldn't need BOG approval (feel free to prove me wrong).

4/25/2011 4:09:31 PM

b/c it doesn't come from university money, it comes from athletic department money.

feel free to check their official salaries according to the unc system
http://apps.newsobserver.com/know/uncga/

[Edited on April 25, 2011 at 6:03 PM. Reason : god dammit, i didn't realize it was adder]

4/25/2011 6:02:23 PM

So coaches contracts are not approved by the BOG? The supplemental compensation is included and enumerated in the contract (in other words part of the contract)
Also the contracts indicate that the University pays for these supplemental compensations.
(clearly stated in section XIII of Roy Williams contract with the section: "the UNIVERSITY shall pay supplemental compensation to COACH as follows:"

If you would like to see Roy's original contract here it is:
http://www.wral.com/news/local/flash/5917086/

Oh yeah I forgot I was dealing with the resident UNC apologist.

[Edited on April 25, 2011 at 7:00 PM. Reason : Butch Davis= Valvano]

4/25/2011 6:31:44 PM

did gregg doyel ever write his gary williams article?

4/25/2011 8:50:18 PM

i don't think so, and what's odd is that this whole story disappeared without any closure

sounded like Doyel had some information that would have exposed what Sweatface actually did, but he never wrote anything

4/25/2011 10:06:09 PM

think i already heard this before, but here's more evidence...some guy at the caravan

Quote :

"@dfcf99 Debbie just said we're going back to STATE across all our team's jerseys."

+100

4/27/2011 8:27:23 PM

i think we should go to something like this:

NC
STATE

I think it would be pretty cool. I mean it still says STATE, but you keep that NC in there too!



[Edited on April 27, 2011 at 8:35 PM. Reason : .....]

4/27/2011 8:31:02 PM

Good objective article from Seth Davis:

Quote :

"Coaching Carousel: Best and worst from largely underwhelming spring With George Washington deciding Monday to fire coach Karl Hobbs, there are now just five vacancies left to be filled in Division I college basketball. Thus, we are approaching the conclusion of one of the quieter coaching carousels in recent years. Since the end of last season, 45 schools have searched for a new coach, but only nine compete in the six power conferences. Lots of dominoes fell this spring, but they weren't very big, and they didn't make much of a sound. Still, there was plenty to sift through as the changes came fast and furious over the last few weeks. Here, then, is your resident Hoop Thinker's take on the best and worst of the 2011 coaching carousel: Smartest hire: Cuonzo Martin, Tennessee. Too many athletic directors make bad hires because they are trying to "win the press conference." Tennessee athletic director Mike Hamilton, who hasn't made a ton of great decisions over the last couple of years, went the opposite route. The Tennessee fans who are wailing that Hamilton didn't land a "big" name are living in an alternate universe. No big name is going to take a job at a program that is about to be hammered by the NCAA. Martin has a proven track record. He spent eight years as an assistant at Purdue, and in just three years as the head coach at Missouri State he took the Bears from a middling Missouri Valley team to one that won the regular season championship. He has excellent playing credentials from his decorated career at Purdue and his brief stint in the NBA, which will go over well on the recruiting trail. Finally, he is a man of high character, which was revealed through his successful battle with non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma. If Tennessee fans give Martin the support he deserves instead of the derision he doesn't, he will reward them with a winner. Second-smartest hire: Ed Cooley, Providence. Let's face it, this is one of the worst jobs in the Big East. The fans and the administration have unreasonably high expectations, and even when you're at your best you're probably going to finish eighth. Being the head coach at Providence requires energy and personality, and Cooley has an abundance of both. This guy is a New Englander through and through: He was born in Providence, played at Stonehill in Easton, Mass., and spent 12 years in the region as an assistant coach, most recently for nine years at Boston College. He also did a great job in five years at Fairfield, which won the MAAC last season. Best trend: Hiring assistants. I don't have any empirical evidence to prove that more schools are hiring assistant coaches, but it feels like it has happened with increasing frequency the last few years. Assistants put in very long hours in recruiting, game planning and player development in hopes of getting the chance to call their own timeout someday. So I'm happy to see guys like Matt Langel (Temple assistant hired by Colgate), Paul Lusk (Purdue to Missouri State), Steve Masiello (Louisville to Manhattan), Archie Miller (Arizona to Dayton), Mark Montgomery (Michigan State to Northern Illinois), Rob Murphy (Syracuse to Eastern Michigan), Lewis Preston (Penn State to Kennesaw State), King Rice (Vanderbilt to Monmouth), Dave Rice (BYU to UNLV) and Rodney Terry (Texas to Fresno State) get their big breaks. Of course, now they also have a head coach's problems, so best of luck to them. Riskiest hire: Billy Gillispie, Texas Tech. Gillispie is back where he belongs, in the Lone Star State, where he proved at UTEP and Texas A&M that he can win with lesser talent. The problem is that at both of those stops, and especially during his disastrous two-year stint at Kentucky, Gillispie exhibited behavior that was both erratic and criminal. In Lexington he did not deal well with the public or the media, and had one notorious incident where he was so angry at a player (Josh Harrellson) that he ordered him to sit in a bathroom stall during the coach's halftime talk. Gillispie has also had multiple DUI arrests. He has since admitted to having a drinking problem and put himself through John Lucas' rehab center in Houston. I'm hoping that Gillispie has straightened out his personal life and learned some valuable lessons about how to treat people, but time will tell whether his hiring in Lubbock is worth this considerable risk. Worst performance by an athletic director: N.C. State's Debbie Yow. Actually, this might have been the worst performance of the decade. Yow was sitting next to her newly hired basketball coach, Mark Gottfried, when she launched a thousand headlines with her now-infamous remark that Maryland coach Gary Williams tried to "sabotage" the school's coaching search. Yow and Williams had a bitter relationship for most of the 16 years she spent as the AD at Maryland. Instead of Gottfried being the story -- and he was a darn good hire under the circumstances -- Yow had everyone talking about the enmity between her and Williams. That only reminded us why so many good candidates turned down the N.C. State job in the first place. Second-worst performance by an athletic director: Mike Alden, Missouri. Here's a rule all AD's should follow: If you're going to get on a plane to meet with a candidate, be sure you get a yes. Alden broke that rule when he flew to Florida to interview Matt Painter, only to be publicly rebuffed as Painter re-upped at Purdue. From there, Alden made the spring's most questionable hire by plucking Frank Haith from Miami. I like Haith and I do think he's a good coach, but in seven years at Miami he posted a .384 winning percentage in the ACC and made the NCAA tournament once. Had Haith stayed at Miami he would have entered next season at the top of everybody's hot-seat list. Part of an AD's job is to empower the coach he hires, and I fear Alden has put Haith in a position where it will be very hard for him to succeed. Biggest racket: The search firm. The most important decision an athletic director can make is the hiring of a football or men's basketball coach. It is at the very top of his or her job description. Everything else basically comes down to fundraising. So why would an AD pay close to six figures to farm out his or her primary responsibilities to someone else? Yes, a search firm can provide some helpful information, especially regarding salaries and buyout clauses, but the main purpose of the search firm is to keep the details of the process out of the media. Yet most of the time those details leak out anyway. Nor is it difficult to connect the dots between a search firm helping a school hire an AD to the AD's decision to use that same search firm to hire a coach. This part of the process is pointless and corrupt, and I predict its days are numbered. Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/seth_davis/04/26/coaching.carousel.best.worst/index.html#ixzz1Km20oA24"

4/27/2011 8:39:10 PM

Back from the Varsity so soon?

4/27/2011 8:41:20 PM

lol

4/27/2011 8:42:17 PM

^^ dont eat there aside from when I go to GT home games

4/27/2011 8:44:01 PM

I love how when people mention the Yow/Gary Williams comments, they never mentioned how the reporters asked a question about her reputation 2 separate times. It's not like Yow started the PC saying, "Fuck Gary Williams rawr...and oh by the way, here's our coach."

4/27/2011 8:44:06 PM

Quote :

"Finally, he is a man of high character, which was revealed through his successful battle with non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma."

having cancer means you have high character.

4/27/2011 8:44:16 PM

if it were completely objective, shouldn't the context of the "now-infamous remark" be described?

[Edited on April 27, 2011 at 8:47 PM. Reason : ^^that. and battlling cancer can be pretty character-revealing.]

4/27/2011 8:45:16 PM

^^ Oh, I didnt even notice they talked about Cuonzo on there... let me read that too.

[Edited on April 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM. Reason : d]

4/27/2011 8:45:44 PM

C'mon Bullet, just stick to the fat jokes when he's trolling.

4/27/2011 8:46:27 PM

Jaybee's objectivity-flag waving has gotten so bad that now I just assume whatever he is posting is bashing State.

4/27/2011 8:47:14 PM

Quote :

"Actually, this might have been the worst performance of the decade. "

Quote :

"darn good hire under the circumstances"

4/27/2011 8:47:21 PM

trolling? the article was EXACTLY what this thread is covering... you couldnt have a more applicable post. Once again, you not liking it does not equal trolling.

4/27/2011 8:47:56 PM

fatty

4/27/2011 8:48:29 PM

Not the article, the comment before it, Two-Ton.

4/27/2011 8:49:18 PM

so you are saying that Seth Davis has some anti-state platform? by objective I meant someone not directly related to the program, not a PP "writer" etc

Quote :

"having cancer means you have high character."

[Edited on April 27, 2011 at 8:56 PM. Reason : d]

4/27/2011 8:50:29 PM

Well played.

4/27/2011 9:08:27 PM

that's not what objective means.

and being unusually fat reveals a lot about your character as well.

4/27/2011 9:10:01 PM

Seth Davis really has been somewhat negative through the whole NCSU coach search thing

4/27/2011 9:21:57 PM

^^^ thanks, I thought that was particularly well done on my part. Mmmm... well done.

^^ once again, another bitch talking shit with no pics in his gallery.

4/27/2011 9:41:30 PM

Lol at people wanting us to hire Karl Hobbs when Sendek left.

Another lol at Seth Davis saying it's a good hire and the worst performance of the decade.

4/27/2011 10:33:31 PM

The "performance" has nothing to do with the hire and everything to do with Yow's remarks about Williams.

4/27/2011 10:39:00 PM

^ hey buddy! get that logical thought process out of ST!

4/27/2011 10:40:55 PM

Huzzah if the news of putting 'STATE' on the new basketball jerseys is accurate.

4/27/2011 11:24:23 PM

^That'd definitely be cool.

4/27/2011 11:27:02 PM

Last I heard, it'll be a universal thing...not just basketball.

4/27/2011 11:29:32 PM

Does jaybee really think we're dumb enough not to see through him posting an article blasting Yow and calling UT's the smartest hire?

4/27/2011 11:33:29 PM

^^It'll be interesting to see how that works with football...I've never been a huge fan of writing across the front of football jerseys. But it could be cool.

[Edited on April 27, 2011 at 11:34 PM. Reason : ]

4/27/2011 11:34:12 PM

Cuonzo is actually a good safe hire. Barely any head coaching experience, but no pressure on him at a football/womens bball school

4/27/2011 11:47:41 PM

I figured the whole "oh I didn't see the tennessee part, I'll have to go back and read it" schpiel was a dead give away to trolling

4/28/2011 12:18:27 AM

I honestly skipped over that in masturbatory glee to read about Billie Gillispie

4/28/2011 12:34:13 AM

Quote :

"The "performance" has nothing to do with the hire and everything to do with Yow's remarks about Williams."

yea because having a good coach for the foreseeable future coupled with an embarrassing media frenzy that will blow over in 2 months for everyone except hardcore state and maryland fans is soooooo much worse than hiring a POS coach and being stuck with him for years

4/28/2011 12:36:53 AM

Did a "national story" or whatever Yow alluded to ever come out (re Gary Williams)?

^the decade is pretty young...like you say if Gottfried works out, state and terp fans will be the only people who even remember her answering repeated questions about her and gw not getting along

[Edited on April 28, 2011 at 12:40 AM. Reason : h]

4/28/2011 12:38:47 AM

drove gary williams into retirement...+5

5/5/2011 4:13:51 PM

+100000000000000

5/5/2011 4:20:17 PM

LOL, Gary couldn't take the heat. Not really, but I will drive it into the ground.

5/5/2011 4:22:18 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/Maryland-coach-Gary-Williams-retiring-after-22-seasons-050511

5/5/2011 4:31:47 PM

hahaha

5/5/2011 4:31:54 PM

lol Jordan Williams

5/5/2011 4:36:34 PM