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" I'm just asking how far we can go until we milk the cow dry, that's all. Look, I stand to benefit from this as well. I fall well under the threshold and that would be an extra $550/month, so bring it on. But are we just talking about extending the deficit? Which is fine, I didn't bitch about the deficit under Trump, I'm not going to bitch about it under Biden. But how far can you increase taxes and still make it work? Again, we're talking about this Child Care Tax extension, the extra stimulus, which I guess isn't funded by taxation? I don't know. You know the Biden administration is already looking into how they can expand the ACA, they're talking about student loan forgiveness and free college tuition...you're talking about money in numbers we can't even comprehend."


per usual, @dril sums it up perfectly:

http://twitter.com/dril/status/1353406253352030208

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" i think the way it works is as long as the National Debt isnt paid off, every American automatically goes to Hell when they die, which Sucks"


[Edited on January 24, 2021 at 1:26 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2021 1:25:38 PM

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Manchin (and a few others) might as well wear Trump 2024 shirts. 2022 is awful close if they let McConnell block everything

1/25/2021 11:27:49 PM

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Put the bill out and make Manchin and Sinema stand up and saying they AR holding it hostage

2/4/2021 2:32:34 PM

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I just want the Democrats to use their brains they love so much and realize that if you're going to means-test something, you're just going to fuck things up with it. keep it simple and make it universal.

2/8/2021 10:58:19 PM

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"But anyway the answer is/should be taxes
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They've doubled the circulating money supply in last 8 or so months, why raise taxes? Not all of it has to go to investment banks.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2

2/9/2021 8:16:24 AM

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Let's do both!

2/9/2021 9:23:32 AM

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The Dems glacial pace on covid relief is going to make me say for the first time that this impeachment might have negative consequences. It's insane they didn't get relief done first. Not to say they shouldn't be doing impeachment now, but Covid relief should have been done in January!

Republicans can now hit them that impeachment is more important than covid

2/9/2021 11:36:38 AM

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My portfolio is up like double, why does anyone need relief? They could have put money in the market in March like everyone I know.

2/9/2021 11:52:13 AM

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^^the organizing resolution for the new Senate wasn’t passed until Feb 3rd. Hard to pass COVID relief while McConnell still holds the Senate gavel.

2/9/2021 2:05:36 PM

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Fair point. Pass it on the 4th. Pass it tomorrow. Get the thing done. The senate is a very powerful institution and they've known they needed to get this done since the GA elections, find a way to get it done and do it before the impeachment. The "impeachment is a distraction" is dumb but it will be hit home if it comes before relief regardless of whether the two of are tied together.

2/9/2021 5:01:34 PM

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""The problem with warning that the $2000 check scandal will lead to losses in the midterms is that Democrats are fine with losing in the midterms. You think they like having to own all their right wing bullshit for themselves? Democrats hate being exposed and vulnerable like this. They much prefer to blame their corporate cronyism, austerity policies and warmongering on an obstructionist Republican congress. They’re happy to lose the midterms. They prefer to lose the midterms.""

2/9/2021 7:32:30 PM

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^^ not sure if you’re a fan or not, but I recently started listening to Chris Hayes’ podcast “Why Is This Happening?”, and in last weeks episode about the history of the filibuster, he talked with a former senate chief of staff about senate procedures/rules and how difficult it is to pass legislation quickly

long story short, it’s way tougher than you’d think

2/9/2021 10:08:21 PM

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"Lawmakers hustled on Monday to pass the bill, nearly 5,600 pages long, less than 24 hours after its completion and before virtually anyone had read it. At one point, aides struggled simply to put the measure online because of a corrupted computer file. "

2/9/2021 10:26:09 PM

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in December, senate leadership had been in power for 10 years

current leadership has been in power for 6 days

I agree that the quicker the better is obviously preferable, but I don’t think it’s quite as easy as we’d like to think

in the podcast episode that I referenced, they discussed that the only thing needed to filibuster/require a 60-vote threshold is an email from a staffer essentially requesting more time before the vote

[Edited on February 9, 2021 at 11:00 PM. Reason : it’s insane]

2/9/2021 10:34:54 PM

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Maybe you're right just seems insane you can impeach easier than pass a relief bill

And is anyone actually filibustering anything? I thought the whole point of using reconciliation was to avoid that. And if they are why not hold a cloture vote and put the Republicans on the record against relief? If Republicans are stalling you, make it obvious.

2/9/2021 11:05:32 PM

thegoodlife3
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again, in trying to learn more about how congress works, it certainly seems like it isn’t nearly as easy as we’d like to think it is

I wasn’t trying to insinuate that the filibuster has anything to do with the relief bill, just using it as an example of something I thought I knew a little bit about but not really. like it’s insane that all it takes is one email from a staffer. I didn’t know that. did you?

2/9/2021 11:12:41 PM

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Yea i get it man, I'm no senate expert, I just bet mitch McConnell would have a bill on the table by now if he had something he wanted done. Maybe I'm way off base. Democrats should be doing everything in their power to push this forward and if there are things in the way they should be talking loudly about them and how they are the reasons this isn't done.

Also if the rules are this cumbersome they should change them.

[Edited on February 10, 2021 at 12:06 AM. Reason : The filibuster should be gone anyway but Manchin and Sinema don't want to be blamed for closed votes]

2/10/2021 12:05:12 AM

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The 10 way competition for worst Dem senator gets a new competitor
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"““I want to restore the 60-vote threshold for all elements of the Senate's work,” Senator Sinema, a Democrat!, tells Politico.

Kill. Me. Now. https://t.co/vCz2RL0z01"

2/12/2021 12:47:40 PM

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The only explanation for her career is some kind of brain damage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrsten_Sinema#Early_political_involvement

2/12/2021 1:00:44 PM

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^She voted her conscience and did the right thing today, so +1 to her

Jamie Raskin did a fantastic job and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know fuck all about how shitty American politics work.

2/13/2021 5:34:08 PM

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Giving simena props for voting to convict is an awful low bar

2/13/2021 5:44:32 PM

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I mean the bar is on the ground, so I don't know why you're trying to compare apples with kryptonite.

She's got more in common with Romney than AOC, but acting like she's some huge threat to the Senate is a little dramatic.

2/13/2021 5:55:58 PM

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That's a very bad sign for Dem credibility if your bar for a Dem senator is on the ground.

And she isn't a threat to the senate, but she is a massive roadblock to passing anything useful.

2/13/2021 6:09:48 PM

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It's a worse sign that you claim to be a progressive, yet you're trying to sow in-party fighting because you thought that the Senate should have prolonged a sham impeachment trial.

I'm glad that most Americans don't view the world through as narrow of lens as you do sometimes. They are pissed about Trump, but way more worried about COVID relief. Congress people going on vacation is a symptom of a dysfunctional branch of government, and that's not a solely Dem issue.

[Edited on February 13, 2021 at 6:37 PM. Reason : Biden hasn't even been in office for a month FFS]

2/13/2021 6:36:27 PM

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Maybe the senate should have done covid relief first then, like I said in this very thread. Also, calling witnesses wouldn't have delayed covid bc they are now on recess. Calling witnesses would be gave required them to cancel that recess and stay in session.

And lol at sow in party fighting. I'm sure my tww posts are going to tear things apart

2/13/2021 6:52:16 PM

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Everything I've read indicates that the GOP has held COVID relief hostage because of impeachment, and given the way the GOP just voted to acquit, I kinda have to think that maybe it's slightly more difficult to ram it through than you're thinking it is.

Can you link me a source that proves what you're claiming? I'd be happy to read it.



[Edited on February 14, 2021 at 11:21 PM. Reason : .]

2/14/2021 11:19:53 PM

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You gotta read some articles written since the senate flipped. Google budget reconciliation.

Also until 2022 anytime you read that the GOP is stonewalling something, you should mentally change it to read that Manchin and Sinema are allowing GOP to stonewall. A united Dem congress can pass almost anything they want.

2/15/2021 8:47:15 AM

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"""The problem with warning that the $2000 check scandal will lead to losses in the midterms is that Democrats are fine with losing in the midterms. You think they like having to own all their right wing bullshit for themselves? Democrats hate being exposed and vulnerable like this. They much prefer to blame their corporate cronyism, austerity policies and warmongering on an obstructionist Republican congress. They’re happy to lose the midterms. They prefer to lose the midterms."""


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"Biden may be trying to extradite a journalist for exposing US war crimes, and he may be inflicting mass murder and starvation sanctions on disobedient governments around the world to ensure perpetual global domination, but at least America voted out fascism"

2/15/2021 10:01:56 AM

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"More red flags for wage hike. “My only vote is to protect the Byrd Rule: Hell or high water," Manchin said. Asked if he told Biden that, Manchin said bluntly: "Straight up."
Yarmuth backs wage hike but says it’s a “stretch” to get through Senate rules https://t.co/uL3cU8ZcrV"


A 48-50 Dem majority

2/16/2021 9:38:21 PM

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God damn, Manchin is such a festering turd. Once I’m past the initial frustration and anger (over the stimulus and his selective problems with appointees), it really emphasizes how big of a miss it was to not end Susan Collins’, Joni Ernst’s, and especially Thom Tillis’ careers in 2020. It’s a massive failure that we have to count on his vote for anything period.

2/24/2021 4:22:38 PM

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Blame Cal Cunningham's weak ass sexting.

2/25/2021 1:45:51 AM

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Cunningham is a younger John Edwards, failing short with lust.

2/25/2021 10:13:03 AM

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"*SENATE PARLIMENTARIAN RULED MINIMUM-WAGE BOOST OUT OF ORDER"


Minimum wage boost likely DOA bc of Manchin and Sinema

2/25/2021 9:50:23 PM

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I don’t claim to understand the rules of budget reconciliation, but technically this is the fault of the Budget Cmtes for not crafting the Min wage language to squeeze through the rules. Bernie Sanders is chair of the Senate cmte. I don’t really blame him because he fought hard to even have it considered and even went on a mini-hype tour to lay the expectation that it would be included. Unfortunately, a Min wage hike seems to be outside the bounds of what reconciliation allows.

2/26/2021 5:17:24 AM

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"Americans: healthcare please

Government: Sorry did you say a new military base in northeastern Syria?

Americans: no, healthcare

Government: Alright you drive a hard bargain but here’s a new military base in northeastern Syria.

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Sorry we’re not going to be able to do the $2000 checks thing, or the cancelling student debt thing, or the $15 minimum wage thing. Would you accept payment in the form of social media “dunking” on Senate Republicans instead?"

2/26/2021 9:09:01 AM

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^^If it's the fault of anything outside of manchin, it's the cbo for inaccurately giving a bad/neutral score when it should INCREASE revenue and decrease spending.

But despite all that the senate dems plus Harris can pass the bill as is if they want to, but at least one of them doesn't want to. And bc that same person is also against nuking the filibuster, it will never pass. At best we'll get something severely crippled.

2/26/2021 10:15:51 AM

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The VP has 100% power over what is allowed through budget reconciliation. The parliamentarian is only an advisor.

2/26/2021 10:52:15 AM

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Yea I'd love to see her do that and have Schumer put it to a vote, but so many Dem senators are so shitty that i bet it wouldn't work. At least then we'd know the cowards and traitors I guess.

2/26/2021 2:21:25 PM

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"Progressive members of Congress — including Reps. Khanna, Ocasio-Cortez, and Omar — are calling on President Biden and Vice President Harris to set aside the ruling of the Senate Parliamentarian and include a minimum-wage increase in the COVID relief package."

3/1/2021 1:39:37 PM

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3/2/2021 12:51:43 PM

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""Jesus Christ, what don't you understand about 'never'?" Manchin said."

3/2/2021 12:58:47 PM

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Seems like if he isn't interested democratic policies the democratic party should be preparing an aggressive primary challenge. They won't but alas

[Edited on March 2, 2021 at 1:06 PM. Reason : E]

3/2/2021 1:05:40 PM

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"Progressives blowback vs Biden-Senate D plan limiting eligibility on $1,400 checks

@AOC: "I dont understand the political or economic wisdom in allowing Trump to give more people relief checks than a Democratic administration. People went far too long without relief last year...
....if anything we should be more generous, not more stingy. It’s also an insensitive compromise for the roughly 80% of Americans that live in urban areas, which are known for higher costs of living"

https://t.co/6ny4x93GQn
Small update here: Limiting the benefit results in roughly ~$12 billion in savings, per Dem aide. Whole bill is ~$1.9 trillion"

3/3/2021 3:42:13 PM

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If you file your taxes they will use your 2020 income to determine eligibility. So if you made more than 75-80k in 2019 and less in 2020, file your taxes now.

[Edited on March 3, 2021 at 4:50 PM. Reason : also fuck joe biden]

3/3/2021 4:48:07 PM

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I really want a four way this next presidential election. Trump repubs, repub trump haters, and centerists/moderates, sanders type ppl, my bet would be on trump repubs

3/3/2021 7:37:19 PM

rwoody
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Then why the fuck would you want that??

3/3/2021 8:15:50 PM

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Ok I predict a 4 way, and hope trump repubs don’t get 33% and beat the other 32% and below candidates. In 33% example, trump haters repub is 17

3/3/2021 8:37:58 PM

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3/3/2021 9:40:42 PM

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Lets say bernie type 20% and moderate dem is 30

3/3/2021 9:58:12 PM

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3/5/2021 6:23:05 PM

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