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4/13/2012 9:34:03 AM

From DBR, so take it with a grain of salt.

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"The Problem With Picking State First by DBR, April 13th, 2012 | ACC | Here’s an early look at next season’s ACC, and like a lot of people, Paul Schenkel is picking State high and discounting Duke. Here’s why he might be wrong about State, or at the least premature. A lot still hinges on CJ Leslie and Amile Jefferson: if Leslie decamps to the NBA and Jefferson goes elsewhere, State’s depth takes a huge hit. TJ Warren will be a solid forward, especially on offense, but he can’t do what Leslie does and he may not be able to do what DeShawn Painter did this season, namely be a reliable presence in the post and a guy who could back up Leslie and Richard Howell when they got into foul trouble, which they did a lot. Without Painter and possibly Leslie, they’ll have to push someone else into the lane. The candidates? Warren, Jordan Vandenburg, Tyler Harris and Thomas de Thaey. Keeping in mind that Warren is a talented player and naturally a bit of an unknown quantity until he takes the court, do any of those names keep coaches up at night? If they don’t have Leslie, here’s the book on State: run everything at Howell until he gets in foul trouble (Richard “The Foul” Howell…hmmm) and then just go Woody Hayes and pound it up the middle. Even if they sign Jefferson, he’s going to be slim for the near future and would be out of position at best if he has to play in the paint. State is bringing in Warren, Rodney Purvis and Tyler Lewis, all of whom are really good. But they’re only returning Howell, Scott Wood, Vandenberg, Lorenzo Brown, de Thaey, Tyler Harris, and possibly Leslie. That’s four solid returnees – three if Leslie leaves - plus three outstanding freshmen. And with or without Leslie, State is likely to have trouble with frontcourt depth – which becomes a huge problem without him. On the other hand, Tyler Lewis is going to make a huge difference at point guard and we expect he’ll probably move Brown off point. State’s perimeter game is going to be greatly improved with those two plus Purvis and Wood. If you’re taking State first, though, you’re betting that Howell can overcome a history of foul trouble and that someone can pick up the absolutely critical role Painter played. And it’s not as obvious yet, but the roles for Wood and Brown will change, because Purvis and Lewis are going to play. It’s pretty easy to have great chemistry when you only have a seven man rotation."

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/articles/?p=44068

4/13/2012 9:41:07 AM

Rumor updates:

If Harris or someone else leaves, I hear that the following players could be in the mix to fill some spots due to transfers/releases from their current schools:

Demontre Harris (South Carolina)
Rodney Hood (Miss State)
Tony Mitchell (Alabama)

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 9:53 AM. Reason : Also heard that Andrew Young measured at 6'8" with his shoes off

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 9:54 AM. Reason : .]

4/13/2012 9:52:11 AM

I liked it better before the edit.

4/13/2012 9:54:43 AM

I find it hard to believe that his shoes could give him 3 inches in additional height but I could be wrong.

4/13/2012 9:55:22 AM

Those players would all have to sit out a year. If Harris leaves, we need frontcourt depth immediately.

Andrew Young takes his official visit beginning today, and more than likely he will sign soon after.

4/13/2012 10:01:03 AM

Wouldn't they all have to sit-out next year if they transferred?

4/13/2012 10:02:13 AM

http://lifeofagamecock.com/articles/gamecock-basketball-anthony-gill-and-damontre-harris-reportedly-request-release-from-usc

I don't know about eligibility.

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 10:13 AM. Reason : .]

4/13/2012 10:03:25 AM

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" On the other hand, Tyler Lewis is going to make a huge difference at point guard and we expect he’ll probably move Brown off point."

I don't agree with this part of the DBR post. Lewis may be good, but he's just a freshman. He may be able to do what Johnson did this year...allow Zo to move to the 2 for a little while if they're both in the game at the same time. But, IMO, it's a big stretch to say that Lewis will "probably move Brown off the point."

4/13/2012 10:20:44 AM

not in his first year he wont

4/13/2012 10:25:34 AM

^^ Agreed. Zo proved to be a great point guard last year. There's no reason to think he'd be better off the point. I did really like having two ball handlers in the game when AJ and Zo were in together. It seems we have a good chance at having that any time two of Zo, Lewis, and Purvis are in, which I assume will be most of every game.

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 10:28 AM. Reason : .]

4/13/2012 10:28:20 AM

you have to expect lewis will easily provide as much as AJ did, anything more is gravy

4/13/2012 11:49:31 AM

They are almost the exact same player except Tyler has a much stronger passing ability.

4/13/2012 11:52:24 AM

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" you have to expect lewis will easily provide as much as AJ did, anything more is gravy"

i agree. that's why the dbr post saying lewis, as a freshman, will move zo off the point is a pretty big stretch.

4/13/2012 11:57:46 AM

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"They are almost the exact same player except Tyler has a much stronger passing ability."

How'd you come up with that assesment?

Alex was one of our better defenders, and the dude was cut, he's much stronger than lewis is.



[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 12:04 PM. Reason : ]

4/13/2012 12:02:48 PM

seriously, do you have nothing better to do than try to start arguments with people on the internet??

Alex Johnson is 5'10 and 176lbs and 5th year player that is 23 years old.
Tyler Lewis is 5'11 on a good day, 165 lbs, and 18 years old.

they are both small guards with solid perimeter range, excellent passing ability and extremely quick hands

HOW ARE THEY DIFFERENT!?!

you have no idea how strong Tyler Lewis is nor what kind of defensive player he can be at the college level



[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 12:21 PM. Reason : so stop being a god damn troll]

4/13/2012 12:19:28 PM

Strength doesn't make a whole lot of difference when you play on the perimeter. It's not like people would be posting up Lewis on a regular basis.

For guys that short, defense is all about footspeed. It's a given that people can shoot over them. The question is whether the guy can stay in front of his man.

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 12:21 PM. Reason : 2]

4/13/2012 12:19:36 PM

THIS!^

4/13/2012 12:21:58 PM

The difference is that I dont think that Lewis can tomahawk jam quite like AJ

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM. Reason : DF]

4/13/2012 12:29:04 PM

Sure, they're the "exact same player" in that they're both 5'10" point guards.

And strength will have a lot to do with how well lewis plays on defense (and I don't need to see him play at the college level to realize he's not nearly as strong as AJ).

I'm not knockiing Lewis at all, just think it's a silly statement to say that he and grad-student Alex Johnson are "almost the exact same player". That's silly.

4/13/2012 1:13:33 PM

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"HOW ARE THEY DIFFERENT!?!"

one's black, one's white.

also, by the end of the year, johnson was as good a 3 point shooter as we had on the team. i don't think shooting is a strength of lewis yet.

4/13/2012 2:33:19 PM

yeah 19.8 ppg definitely says he sucks at shooting

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 3:46 PM. Reason : .8]

4/13/2012 3:46:06 PM

Burn this shit to the ground.

4/13/2012 3:56:23 PM

^^ppg really doesn't say much about a high school kid's shooting ability. he could score 50 points a game and still be a terrible 3 point shooter. i'm not saying that's lewis's case, but you're not making a point.

4/13/2012 3:59:58 PM

Quote :

"Thomas De Thaey ? @de_thaeyGOPACK The only person that can tell me I can't do something, is myself! Heading to Raleigh tomorrow, ready to kill!! #NewStart And I'm not that kinda person, that's going to talk to talk! When I say something I mean it! Heading over there with one goal! #KILL"

lol

4/13/2012 4:00:37 PM

so the number of points per game that a person contributes has nothing to do with their shooting ability because 1 game could inflate that percentage....

awesome logic

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 4:11 PM. Reason : Bullet is a successful troll]

4/13/2012 4:03:13 PM

50 points off 25 layups != good 3pt shooter

Dwight Howard typically has one of the higher FG% in the NBA, but would you want him taking perimeter shots?

4/13/2012 4:11:30 PM

^^what? i don't even know what you're saying, but that's not my point at all. i'm saying you can score a lot of points on dunks and layups and not be a good shooter. it's not that hard (logic?). not to be mean, but are you slow?

i'm really not trolling, i'm just saying that it's dumb to think that grad student Alex Johnson and an incoming freshman Tyler Lewis are "almost the exact same player".

4/13/2012 4:27:07 PM

Was painter really a "reliable player in the post"?

I seem to recall him spending a lot of time in the high post on set plays.

4/13/2012 4:32:21 PM

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"i'm saying you can score a lot of points on dunks and layups and not be a good shooter. it's not that hard (logic?). not to be mean, but are you slow?"

I'm slow?!?! You think he scores the majority of his points off of layups and dunks and he's 5'11...

I honestly don't know his FG percentage from 3pt or from the field in general, but I'd be willing to bet that the majority of his points don't come from fucking dunks and layups.

Look up his FG and 3pt percentages and that will settle this argument.

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 4:36 PM. Reason : .]

4/13/2012 4:35:47 PM

This is unbearable.

4/13/2012 4:36:31 PM

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"In his one season at Oak Hill, Lewis shot 49.3 percent from the field, 38.1 percent from the 3-point line and 80.6 percent from the foul line."

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/03/04/1902976/lewis-thrives-on-proving-doubters.html#storylink=cpy


[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 4:39 PM. Reason : look like pretty solid numbers for FG and 3 but that's just me being slow I'm sure...]

4/13/2012 4:38:23 PM

the wait or the conversation?

4/13/2012 4:38:36 PM

i'm bowing out, but i'll leave it at this:
saying that they are "almost the exact same player" is just plain silly.
that was my point.

4/13/2012 4:39:05 PM

You're bowing out because you have no god damn argument now!


TROLLS GONNA TROLL

4/13/2012 4:40:54 PM

seriously man? you stand by your statement? you think you won that? you think a freshman tyler lewis is "almost the exact same player" as alex johnson? i'm not saying that lewis won't come in and contribute, i'm just saying there are a lot of differences in the two players. i'll try to refrain from addressing you too much anymore, something seems wrong about you.

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 4:43 PM. Reason : ]

4/13/2012 4:41:31 PM

You Fucksticks will argue about anything.

4/13/2012 4:43:09 PM

you argue that he isnt as good defensively when you have no basis of comparison

not to mention the fact that he is 18 and you are comparing to a grad student's body and strength


you then resort to saying AJ is a better shooter with ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS OF COMPARISON

you really should do your research before you troll people on this thread


Lewis and AJ are similar in body type, playing style, shooting ability, and basketball IQ (although I'd give an advantage to AJ because of experience).

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 4:44 PM. Reason : THEY HAVE EXTREMELY COMPARABLE GAMES TO EACH OTHER]

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 4:55 PM. Reason : grammar]

4/13/2012 4:43:10 PM

i'll stop after this:

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"you argue that he isnt as good defensively when you have no basis of comparison "

no i didn't. i said alex johnson was one of our better defenders, and i said lewis's lack of strength may hinder his defense.

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"not to mention the fact that he is 18 and you are comparing to a grad student's body and strength"

right, because you were talking about lewis immediately replacing aj's mins because they were "almost the exact same player". i was pointing out that you have to consider their strenth and experience.

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"you then resort to saying AJ is a better shooter with ABSOLUTELY NOT BASIS OF COMPARISON"

No i didn't. somebody else mentioned that they didn't think it was one of lewis's strengths. i just pointed out that ppg are not a great indicator of 3-pt shooting ability, as you seemed to think.

once again, i'm not knocking lewis at all, i think he'll probably be able to take most of AJ's minutes next season. i'm just expecting him to have a very different game than johnson. and i think he'll be much better as he gains more experience and strength

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 4:50 PM. Reason : ]

4/13/2012 4:46:06 PM

Quote :

" ABSOLUTELY NOT BASIS "

4/13/2012 4:46:24 PM

Lewis will replace AJ's role when he comes almost immediately. That role is that of a bench PG that fills minutes for Zo. He'll do that well because his game is EXTREMELY SIMILAR TO AJ's. However, I think he will be a little more effective because his passing skill is elite already.

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 4:55 PM. Reason : .]

4/13/2012 4:51:50 PM

according to packinsider, 2 sources saying CJL will return

4/13/2012 5:08:45 PM

4/13/2012 5:12:34 PM

Quote :

""Thomas De Thaey ? @de_thaeyGOPACK The only person that can tell me I can't do something, is myself! Heading to Raleigh tomorrow, ready to kill!! #NewStart And I'm not that kinda person, that's going to talk to talk! When I say something I mean it! Heading over there with one goal! #KILL""

so i guess TDT isn't transferring.

4/13/2012 5:13:54 PM

sounds like we better watch out TDT about to kill someone.

4/13/2012 5:17:45 PM

TDT has always had that antagonist-in-a-horror-movie look.

4/13/2012 5:30:03 PM

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" so i guess TDT isn't transferring."

Sounds to me like he hates everyone here so much he is literally going to kill them.

Then he is transferring to the central prison basketball league.

4/13/2012 5:39:16 PM

Pretty sure Harrow was a decent 3PT shooter in high school and that went to shit in college

4/13/2012 6:06:50 PM

Someone's gonna read TDT's tweets and detain him at customs.

[Edited on April 13, 2012 at 6:09 PM. Reason : ...]

4/13/2012 6:09:35 PM

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"somebody else mentioned that they didn't think it was one of lewis's strengths."

He has an UGLY looking shot.

4/13/2012 7:22:33 PM